EPTApples and Oranges - Page 10
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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TimKim0713
Korea (South)221 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
 Will never forget him! | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
Six pooling today is just shy of suicide against any competent player, especially on a large map, yet somehow Inca lost. Even as recently as the final day of WCS Korea we've seen this is not the case. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
 ) Non the less Fruitdealer holding that trophy gave me the chills, good to see him being remembered in this way. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
"FUCK YOU" what a champion | ||
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TerranTechie
24 Posts
Zerg was not felt, but known to be underpowered Fruitdealer was a very innovative and talented player, but statements about everyone KNOWING zerg was underpowered is just ridiculous. The only people who thought they KNEW this were whiney zerg players. Zerg was underrepresented in GSL in the early days because every Korean SC2 pro wanted to be Boxer. If many of the nerfs that happened to other races due to zerg whining in the early days of SC2 were not made, and the maps developed just as they have, the game would still have balanced out fine. Every early opening like the LiveForever rax before depot reaper harrassment would be shut down today by 2 roaches, then zergs would proceed to hit 60 drones for free. Zerg players kept getting better (like all other players) and look at the game today. Zerg is "KNOWN" to be op (not really but cwutididthar) after countless nerfs to other races with every patch and subtle zerg buffs. As we saw in that series, terran players in those days were staying on one base for years and Fruitdealer enjoyed his success because he found a way to establish a superb economy vs a terran player on one base. In fact, I think it is pretty easy to see that in GSL season 2 and 3 (the worst seasons of GSL by far imo) the bitbybit scv/marine all-ins were a direct response to how Fruitdealer changed zvt metagame and made hatch first so common. At that time, Terrans felt that hatch first was outrageously greedy and the zerg should not be able to defend it in any situation, so rather than attempting to do greedy macro builds themselves, they tried to simply end the game with what they saw as a direct counter. TLDR: It's little balance statements like this TeamLiquid....Other than these little balance statements, however, this was a fantastic article. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
If you think Zerg matchups were balanced on Kulas Ravine, you are delusional. | ||
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AceLight
New Zealand220 Posts
On August 28 2012 14:06 Jaeger wrote: Great write up although I have to disagree with this part: Even as recently as the final day of WCS Korea we've seen this is not the case. I laughed when I remembered when MKP held Line's 6pool with CC first. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
).Only minor point, soundtrack is too short... needed to repeat song four times to read it all! Oh, wow ... that VOD of the semifinal: Caster Nick aka EG.Tasteless and Commentator Daniel aka MYM.Artosis.... old times | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
Who could forget Fruitdealer...seriously who?Pure born champion... | ||
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Azera
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
A variety of strategy, and such a variety of tactic. FruitDealer and NesTea are the two names you'll hear when people ask how an earth this game was such a popular watch, so soon after release. | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
Btw, am I the only one who will forever be thinking of GSL Open Season 1 and Fruitdealer's run when hearing this song? (pls ignore the video track xD, there was nothing better on youtube) | ||
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
On August 28 2012 14:58 TerranTechie wrote: Fruitdealer was a very innovative and talented player, but statements about everyone KNOWING zerg was underpowered is just ridiculous. The only people who thought they KNEW this were whiney zerg players. Zerg was underrepresented in GSL in the early days because every Korean SC2 pro wanted to be Boxer. If many of the nerfs that happened to other races due to zerg whining in the early days of SC2 were not made, and the maps developed just as they have, the game would still have balanced out fine. Every early opening like the LiveForever rax before depot reaper harrassment would be shut down today by 2 roaches, then zergs would proceed to hit 60 drones for free. Zerg players kept getting better (like all other players) and look at the game today. Zerg is "KNOWN" to be op (not really but cwutididthar) after countless nerfs to other races with every patch and subtle zerg buffs. As we saw in that series, terran players in those days were staying on one base for years and Fruitdealer enjoyed his success because he found a way to establish a superb economy vs a terran player on one base. In fact, I think it is pretty easy to see that in GSL season 2 and 3 (the worst seasons of GSL by far imo) the bitbybit scv/marine all-ins were a direct response to how Fruitdealer changed zvt metagame and made hatch first so common. At that time, Terrans felt that hatch first was outrageously greedy and the zerg should not be able to defend it in any situation, so rather than attempting to do greedy macro builds themselves, they tried to simply end the game with what they saw as a direct counter. TLDR: It's little balance statements like this TeamLiquid....Other than these little balance statements, however, this was a fantastic article. Dude.. no. Look at the maps. The distance from your own natural to your opponent's is no longer than the distance to your third. The player who can macro a better army in a timely fashion off of 2 bases is going to win. Add siege tanks to the mix and you know why FD was alone vs 15 terrans in the top 16. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On August 28 2012 16:16 TwilightRain wrote: Great article. Fruitdealer was definitely a great inspiration for many struggling Zergs of that time, including me. Btw, am I the only one who will forever be thinking of GSL Open Season 1 and Fruitdealer's run when hearing this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnRbNasFAw (pls ignore the video track xD, there was nothing better on youtube) Haha, there is a link to this song in a better version in the article :D | ||
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