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Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#181
Great article. Brings back good memories of the first GSL tournament. FruitDealer was the zerg hope and easily became a fan favorite....Wouldn't mind seeing him back in SC2 if he ever has the drive to do it again.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 28 2012 04:34 GMT
#182
*standing ovation*



Someone call down the Thunder?
TimKim0713
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)221 Posts
August 28 2012 04:55 GMT
#183
Nice work
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 28 2012 05:01 GMT
#184
Amazing job guys! Will never forget him!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
August 28 2012 05:05 GMT
#185
Sick writeup. Please keep doing these.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
August 28 2012 05:06 GMT
#186
Great write up although I have to disagree with this part:

Six pooling today is just shy of suicide against any competent player, especially on a large map, yet somehow Inca lost.


Even as recently as the final day of WCS Korea we've seen this is not the case.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 05:11:32
August 28 2012 05:09 GMT
#187
Fantastic article. Love the added bonus of some sound tracks. And reading this brings back the memories of that first GSL (wich was rather shit ) Non the less Fruitdealer holding that trophy gave me the chills, good to see him being remembered in this way.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
August 28 2012 05:18 GMT
#188
ROFL thank you for linking that fruit dealer interview.

"FUCK YOU"

what a champion
TerranTechie
Profile Joined August 2012
24 Posts
August 28 2012 05:58 GMT
#189
Zerg was not felt, but known to be underpowered


Fruitdealer was a very innovative and talented player, but statements about everyone KNOWING zerg was underpowered is just ridiculous. The only people who thought they KNEW this were whiney zerg players. Zerg was underrepresented in GSL in the early days because every Korean SC2 pro wanted to be Boxer. If many of the nerfs that happened to other races due to zerg whining in the early days of SC2 were not made, and the maps developed just as they have, the game would still have balanced out fine. Every early opening like the LiveForever rax before depot reaper harrassment would be shut down today by 2 roaches, then zergs would proceed to hit 60 drones for free.

Zerg players kept getting better (like all other players) and look at the game today. Zerg is "KNOWN" to be op (not really but cwutididthar) after countless nerfs to other races with every patch and subtle zerg buffs. As we saw in that series, terran players in those days were staying on one base for years and Fruitdealer enjoyed his success because he found a way to establish a superb economy vs a terran player on one base.

In fact, I think it is pretty easy to see that in GSL season 2 and 3 (the worst seasons of GSL by far imo) the bitbybit scv/marine all-ins were a direct response to how Fruitdealer changed zvt metagame and made hatch first so common. At that time, Terrans felt that hatch first was outrageously greedy and the zerg should not be able to defend it in any situation, so rather than attempting to do greedy macro builds themselves, they tried to simply end the game with what they saw as a direct counter.

TLDR: It's little balance statements like this TeamLiquid....Other than these little balance statements, however, this was a fantastic article.
Mothership Core. Good idea Blizz. Kappa
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 06:14:40
August 28 2012 06:14 GMT
#190
Dude, the game was absolutely not fair to Zerg at the time. They would die to absolutely anything and all of the maps were ridiculously tiny. There is no way it was a fair playing field and somehow nearly every pro zerg just HAPPENED to be whiny as hell.

If you think Zerg matchups were balanced on Kulas Ravine, you are delusional.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
AceLight
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand220 Posts
August 28 2012 06:21 GMT
#191
On August 28 2012 14:06 Jaeger wrote:
Great write up although I have to disagree with this part:

Show nested quote +
Six pooling today is just shy of suicide against any competent player, especially on a large map, yet somehow Inca lost.


Even as recently as the final day of WCS Korea we've seen this is not the case.


I laughed when I remembered when MKP held Line's 6pool with CC first.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 28 2012 06:37 GMT
#192
i love cool, wish he still played, he looked pretty good in IEM new york as well
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 07:06:35
August 28 2012 07:03 GMT
#193
Cool story bros! (Seriously ).

Only minor point, soundtrack is too short... needed to repeat song four times to read it all!

Oh, wow ... that VOD of the semifinal: Caster Nick aka EG.Tasteless and Commentator Daniel aka MYM.Artosis.... old times
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 28 2012 07:10 GMT
#194
Enjoyed this write up very much
Who could forget Fruitdealer...seriously who?Pure born champion...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
August 28 2012 07:14 GMT
#195
Great article!
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
August 28 2012 07:14 GMT
#196
Of all the games played in the first year, FruitDealer's games are definitely the best vintage label. He was ingenious to the point that you would want to watch the next game just to see what kind of crazy he would pull off next.

A variety of strategy, and such a variety of tactic. FruitDealer and NesTea are the two names you'll hear when people ask how an earth this game was such a popular watch, so soon after release.
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 07:16:45
August 28 2012 07:16 GMT
#197
Great article. Fruitdealer was definitely a great inspiration for many struggling Zergs of that time, including me.

Btw, am I the only one who will forever be thinking of GSL Open Season 1 and Fruitdealer's run when hearing this song?

(pls ignore the video track xD, there was nothing better on youtube)
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 07:26:41
August 28 2012 07:25 GMT
#198
On August 28 2012 14:58 TerranTechie wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg was not felt, but known to be underpowered


Fruitdealer was a very innovative and talented player, but statements about everyone KNOWING zerg was underpowered is just ridiculous. The only people who thought they KNEW this were whiney zerg players. Zerg was underrepresented in GSL in the early days because every Korean SC2 pro wanted to be Boxer. If many of the nerfs that happened to other races due to zerg whining in the early days of SC2 were not made, and the maps developed just as they have, the game would still have balanced out fine. Every early opening like the LiveForever rax before depot reaper harrassment would be shut down today by 2 roaches, then zergs would proceed to hit 60 drones for free.

Zerg players kept getting better (like all other players) and look at the game today. Zerg is "KNOWN" to be op (not really but cwutididthar) after countless nerfs to other races with every patch and subtle zerg buffs. As we saw in that series, terran players in those days were staying on one base for years and Fruitdealer enjoyed his success because he found a way to establish a superb economy vs a terran player on one base.

In fact, I think it is pretty easy to see that in GSL season 2 and 3 (the worst seasons of GSL by far imo) the bitbybit scv/marine all-ins were a direct response to how Fruitdealer changed zvt metagame and made hatch first so common. At that time, Terrans felt that hatch first was outrageously greedy and the zerg should not be able to defend it in any situation, so rather than attempting to do greedy macro builds themselves, they tried to simply end the game with what they saw as a direct counter.

TLDR: It's little balance statements like this TeamLiquid....Other than these little balance statements, however, this was a fantastic article.


Dude.. no. Look at the maps. The distance from your own natural to your opponent's is no longer than the distance to your third. The player who can macro a better army in a timely fashion off of 2 bases is going to win. Add siege tanks to the mix and you know why FD was alone vs 15 terrans in the top 16.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 07:25:54
August 28 2012 07:25 GMT
#199
Amazing Writeup! Reminds a lot like God of the battlefield writeup and Saviour with his delay tactics, cutting reinforcements, different strats and such
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
August 28 2012 07:37 GMT
#200
On August 28 2012 16:16 TwilightRain wrote:
Great article. Fruitdealer was definitely a great inspiration for many struggling Zergs of that time, including me.

Btw, am I the only one who will forever be thinking of GSL Open Season 1 and Fruitdealer's run when hearing this song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnRbNasFAw
(pls ignore the video track xD, there was nothing better on youtube)


Haha, there is a link to this song in a better version in the article :D
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