Apples and Oranges - Page 11

Dude.. no. Look at the maps. The distance from your own natural to your opponent's is no longer than the distance to your third. The player who can macro a better army in a timely fashion off of 2 bases is going to win. Add siege tanks to the mix and you know why FD was alone vs 15 terrans in the top 16.

Dude, the game was absolutely not fair to Zerg at the time. They would die to absolutely anything and all of the maps were ridiculously tiny. There is no way it was a fair playing field and somehow nearly every pro zerg just HAPPENED to be whiny as hell.

If you think Zerg matchups were balanced on Kulas Ravine, you are delusional.

On August 28 2012 16:54 TerranTechie wrote:




I don't think either of you read the part of my post where I said "and the maps had developed just as they have now." I'm not saying the game was balanced on Steppes of War. I'm not an idiot. I'm saying it is a shame that Blizzard did not simply allow the maps to develop to being more balanced (even favored for zerg on many tournament maps today), but chose to also nerf Terran into oblivion with each patch and buff zerg along the way.

I love Starcraft 2, and I find that slight imbalances can be overcome by superior play, however look at the general consensus on balance today in SC2. People talk about terran being weak and zerg being overpowered everywhere except here on TeamLiquid where Terran discussion is shot down by the vocal majority zerg players that don't even play the game anymore.

Hopefully someone understands what I'm trying to say. Yes, the maps were imba against zerg. So why change balance AND maps?

Edit: I should add that I don't find the game incredibly imbalanced in any way at this point. I think infestor/broodlord is much too difficult for either race to deal with and the late game raven transition that everyone is trying on the pro lvl cannot even be safely reached on most maps. However, elite Korean terrans have taught us that with superior mechanics, this can still be overcome in most games.

I guess what I'm trying to say is look at how many terran units and tactics are barely even used nowadays b/c of Blizzard's knee-jerk reaction to any effective harrassment from T. Reaper? Obsolete. Blue flame hellions? Niche. Banshees? Just now coming back as early game meta thanks to ForGG and MarineKing. Thors? Destroyed and only used vs zerg in small numbers. Ravens? Terrans are trying....

Every ingenious tactic like Fruitdealers' that Terran players invented was immediately nerfed to the ground.

On August 28 2012 04:16 Sliver wrote:
You forgot to include his greatest enemy..

In a time long past, when foreigners roamed the Korean scene, and Zerg was not felt, but known to be underpowered

On August 28 2012 21:01 dully wrote:

[citation needed]

Maps were good for terran, but I'm a bit tired of this argument. Terran didn't even win anything in 2010. First 3 GSLs went to 2 Zergs and a Protoss. It wasn't until GSL January of 2011 the Fauxer, the king of marines, was unleased. That's when when Terran started getting out of whack with micro and maintained good winrates despite nerfs.

Know your history.

On August 28 2012 13:09 kjwcj wrote:
Fruitdealer's story is still the most compelling in Korean SC2 to date in my opinion, it's fitting that he should be the first SC2 gamer to have an FE written about him.

GMarshal, you've done him proud, nice work ^^