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SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
August 28 2012 01:46 GMT
#161
very nice write up, read every word, fruit dealer <3
kuz pro
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 02:00:58
August 28 2012 01:57 GMT
#162
Great writeup, but the word "eco cheese" or "econ cheese" is one of the silliest words to ever be mentioned in starcraft, and was widely abused during Flash's reign. Please don't use that word, the correct term should be "greed", e.g "greedy play" or "being extremely greedy".

"Omfg Flash is terrible, he wouldn't have beaten Jaedong if he didn't econ cheese" *facepalm

Very nice writeup again though, enjoyed every minute reading it.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
August 28 2012 02:04 GMT
#163
Lovely article
SeeiSee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
August 28 2012 02:05 GMT
#164
Probably one of the most eye opening articles out there. I can't even imagine the uproar when FD won those games. I know even though I was playing back then, I didn't know anything about this. Though I feel this was probably the best thing to ever happen to the zerg race (in terms of learning and play)
Do you see what I see?
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
August 28 2012 02:08 GMT
#165


I miss this guy :[
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
August 28 2012 02:15 GMT
#166
All hail the true Zerg king!
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
August 28 2012 02:29 GMT
#167
On August 28 2012 11:08 Stanlot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqxpaJR2ak

I miss this guy :[

Haha FruitDealer's a boss.
Carmac creamed his pants at that moment hahaha
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
August 28 2012 02:47 GMT
#168
On August 28 2012 11:08 Stanlot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqxpaJR2ak

I miss this guy :[


Interviews like this one need to be thrown out whenever clowns start talking about Koreans have no personality. I love how a lot of Koreans seemed like they took lessons from WWE when they first came overseas to compete. Nada and MC come to mind easily. Need more of this.
Streaming on twitch. http://www.twitch.tv/rahsun86
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
August 28 2012 02:54 GMT
#169
On August 28 2012 10:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Great writeup, but the word "eco cheese" or "econ cheese" is one of the silliest words to ever be mentioned in starcraft, and was widely abused during Flash's reign. Please don't use that word, the correct term should be "greed", e.g "greedy play" or "being extremely greedy".

"Omfg Flash is terrible, he wouldn't have beaten Jaedong if he didn't econ cheese" *facepalm

Very nice writeup again though, enjoyed every minute reading it.

Hey man, it shares all the features of a regular cheese, except it aims for late game dominance Nothing wrong with being cheesy, nobody thinks Flash is bad for bunker rushing or 14ccing or Jaedong is bad for 4pooling or any number of actual SC2 examples. If anything a proxy rax is just as greedy as having no defense, only it's greedy for blood instead of minerals.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Ritchie
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada206 Posts
August 28 2012 03:02 GMT
#170
Really nice write-up :D. He was such a great player!
After all, we just want to be happy, don't we?
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
August 28 2012 03:05 GMT
#171
amazing article!
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#172
Wow interesting read indeed.
Also surprised that startale LoL disbanded? Anyone know why?
Long live the Boss Toss!
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
August 28 2012 03:18 GMT
#173
Doesn't quite give me the same chills as I get every time I read God of the Battlefield.....but I guess that's because I was never a huge fan of Kim Won Ki.

Still great job, wonderfully written piece.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada646 Posts
August 28 2012 03:25 GMT
#174
Great work, this is the kind of perspective that could easily be applied to BW games aswell.

HINT- Terrans, watch some flash and L2P mech.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
August 28 2012 04:04 GMT
#175
On August 28 2012 12:25 Gofarman wrote:
Great work, this is the kind of perspective that could easily be applied to BW games aswell.

HINT- Terrans, watch some flash and L2P mech.


If only mech was good in sc2.
kjwcj
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 04:10:51
August 28 2012 04:09 GMT
#176
Fruitdealer's story is still the most compelling in Korean SC2 to date in my opinion, it's fitting that he should be the first SC2 gamer to have an FE written about him.

GMarshal, you've done him proud, nice work ^^
Writer
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
August 28 2012 04:15 GMT
#177
Absolutely fantastic - soundtrack was amazing, and I stopped halfway to watch the highlight video again. A truly great story and one that will be remembered throughout Starcraft 2's history. We will look back and reminisce, at what was.
Writer@joonjoewong
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
August 28 2012 04:25 GMT
#178
On August 28 2012 11:47 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 11:08 Stanlot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqxpaJR2ak

I miss this guy :[


Interviews like this one need to be thrown out whenever clowns start talking about Koreans have no personality. I love how a lot of Koreans seemed like they took lessons from WWE when they first came overseas to compete. Nada and MC come to mind easily. Need more of this.

Still remember watching it live. Fruitdealer is such a boss.
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
August 28 2012 04:26 GMT
#179
Great final edit!

All VODs of the early Fruitdealer days are free btw (2012 Open Season 1 - 2011 GSTL March), so check them out if you want:
http://www.gomtv.net/league/index.gom
@riotsnowbird
Vertig0
Profile Joined March 2009
United States196 Posts
August 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#180
I love this article! It makes me happy that other people still love FruitDealer too. Maybe he'll come back for HotS?
#1 Fruitdealer fan!
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