EPTEsports is on fire? By what metric?[/QUOTE]
Look at the amount of new users to TL for one. The amount of subscribers to GOMTV for the GSL. All the viewers for streams on the NASL, IEM, MLG. SC2 being main staged at MLG.
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Felony
United States131 Posts
Esports is on fire? By what metric?[/QUOTE] Look at the amount of new users to TL for one. The amount of subscribers to GOMTV for the GSL. All the viewers for streams on the NASL, IEM, MLG. SC2 being main staged at MLG. | ||
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chainheart
United States24 Posts
Most of what people are talking about is how BW just takes more skill, because of MBS, lack of Control Groups, etc. So obviously the more skilled player is always going to have an advantage no matter what. I think the addition of more micro intensive mechanics in HoTS would help raise the skill ceiling of the game, while still allowing players who aren't as insanely fast as a lot of top BW players to be able to win based on excellent strategy and timing. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Two different games. Two different scenes. And the longer these "untouchable gods of the better game" wait to switch over, the farther behind they will become, unless they are already practicing now. If Flash waits another year before switching over, and doesn't do any SC2 practice in the meantime.....I almost guarantee that he will get destroyed for a solid 6 months to a year before he catches up.....the current SC2 gods aren't going to be getting worse. His insane mindless mechanical skill won't help him near as much in SC2, and the more SC2 specific mechanics, he won't have had time to develop as far as the guys who have been playing for a while. I think he's underestimating the SC2 scene, and also the SC2 game. There is no reason to practice mechanics for 200 games a day like in BW, sure. But I think the amount of viable builds in competitive SC2 far outstrips BW at this moment, simply due to how unstable the current "metagame" is. I watched Moon mindgame Rainbow last night in NASL hardcore, by going pure mass speedling vs an incoming marine pressure. Pure metagame outthinking that Flash, Jaedong, etc will have no experience with.....because they haven't been facing it for a year straight. Mechanically, BW transfers over to SC2 just fine. Mindgame/builds/style.....not even close. You have to know exact timings, builds, defenses, etc., for all the matchups and players, and its not even close to BW timings. That's all completely uncharted territory that FLash and Co. will be months in learning until it's second nature....things that the current SC2 players already have down as part of their thinking process. And that's just the build order part. It's not like Flash can just jump into the game, learn 3 builds, and immediately crush his opponents by mashing the keyboard faster. SC2 style is also quite a bit different, and what constitutes gosu micro is also much different. I'm sure Flash will have no major difficulty learning to split his marines effectively vs banelings, but it's not like he'll have perfect splitting right out of the gate. It's just something else he'll have to be working on for a while just to get up to current SC2 level. TLDR: Different games, different styles. While I'm sure with their great work ethics, the current BW gods can reach god status in SC2 through practice, it won't be a flawless transition, and players who rely on pure mechanics to carry them over inferior opponents will have a lot of trouble achieving the same level of success. And the longer they wait, the more difficult the transition will be. | ||
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countwaltz
United States6 Posts
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Eko200
United States101 Posts
When top tier SC2 players switch over (or back to) BW and gets crushed by some 300 odd players OP is talking about then the article might gain some validity. | ||
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StarcraftXTZM
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omegaslast
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On May 13 2011 00:19 ak1knight wrote: Would you trade a guaranteed 70-80k a year for possibly winning a little more? The slight increase in money isn't worth the risk, and most of those players are under contract with their current team right now so they couldn't just leave. I think the best way to determine the legitimacy of this quote I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. is to get a list of the salaries of the top 300 sc2 players. Anyone got that?  I have a feeling its not 70k-80k (or more) for more than 50 of the 300 players... which leads to why arent the other 250 jumping on the chance to make $450k a year in CRUSHING defeats? | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On May 13 2011 00:22 StarcraftXTZM wrote: I think Korea is in the middle of a golden age for Starcraft 2. And Sweden and US Starting their golden age. Dont fret children the up to date interface of starcraft 2 will save u all You really think the golden age of SC2 happened less than a year into it's existence? | ||
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Lassepetri
Denmark112 Posts
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TyTaynium
United States49 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
 Bisu and  Jaedong obviously have excellent mechanics but so do many other BW progamers. Mechanics can only take you so far, how well is the 500+ APM zerg by.hero doing for example? In order to succeed in BW, One need to have great mechanics AND a very deep understanding of the game. BW has continued to evolve over 13 years and is still changing strategy wise, which gives you a hint of the complexity of the game. SC2 has only been out for a very short time in comparison and we are yet to see what the expansions will bring to the table. Will SC2 become as complex in the future? Possibly. But my point is that it is not very hard to catch up on the strategic development of SC2 for someone who has grasped the strategy of BW. The game has simply not been out long enough. Any argument saying that SC2 players need a different skill set (less mechanics, more strategy) is really underestimating the strategic aspects of BW – there is not less strategy in BW, it is just more mechanics. | ||
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Opera
France469 Posts
Since there is still a lot of money going into BW competitions, I understand why the current best players stays on it. What I don't understand is why people say competitive SC2 is crap because BW godlike player are not participating. So far, we've seen some pretty intense matchups and competitions and the game is still growing. SC2 scene is still a cocoon and has not burst into the beautiful Korean butterfly it will become | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On May 13 2011 00:09 Eko200 wrote: The agenda of its senior staff being constantly pushed to the forefront; through constant warnings to its users, temp bans of contributing community members (Idra), and abrasive editorial front page articles. I have come to believe that if I want to read anyones post with a strong opinion contrary to this agenda has been marked in red at the end of their post. Oh god, he discovered us... Quick, burn the evidence!! | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
This is not an article that will make me popular. This is not an article that will start negative but end with eloquent, poignant hope. But we have been skirting around this topic ever since Beta now, so I’ll just f**king say it: Because I thought every point he made was pretty obvious to anyone following the pro SC scene, but I guess not everyone agrees. Regardless, I think he undermined his argument by overstating his case and deliberately making flame-inducing comments. It's also not exactly true that his points are an 'elephant in the room' because a lot of people openly acknowledge it to be the case, at least on the forums. So, on the one hand I agree with everything he said, and on the other this article kind of pisses me off because I think it sets a poor precedent for the kind of tone that headline articles on TL.net should take. | ||
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R2
United States3 Posts
But I don't see it truly meaning anything. Until he does it, it's whatever. I think if he could easily dominate within days / weeks, he could and would. Something that boss would be able to rock SC2 while staying SC1 pro, IMO. | ||
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Tears.Of.The.Moon
Slovenia715 Posts
I think that the future will mostly lie with these new SC2 raised pros and not some BW ones that switched over. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
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quest_5692
Malaysia57 Posts
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