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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On May 12 2011 22:55 Argolis wrote: BW? Imagine if the top Warcraft3 players switched over. They would DOMINATE every-one with 100% win rates, no doubt. Should have wrote an article on that. what? Moon is the best wc3 player ever. Is he 100%? not even close my friend. | ||
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kemo
United States5 Posts
I'm pretty sure Artosis and Tasteless have never made any baseless claims about the skill of any of the players mentioned, but commented on their skill in terms of relativity to the people they're playing against or the viewers watching. I can't say I've watched every hour of Tastosis talking but I don't get the impression they would lightly make comparisons to the current BW mega-pros. Making a pro team in Brood War was impressive, period. It's a testament to the skill of the players just mentioning they were B-teamers, which they usually (always?) specify when they mention BW. The term "washed up brood war pros" switching was thrown around pretty handily. Personal opinion is that BW players are certainly more well-developed in terms of mechanics and have the potential to dominate. However, I'm still not fully convinced the two games are similar enough in terms of balance to see the overpowering win % or dominance they hold in BW. Nobody is dominating so fully in any scene of SC2 atm. Is it because none of the current players were actively destroying BW when they made the switch as the OP might suggest? It's possible, and I'd love the opportunity to find out when it happens. Regardless really well written and interesting, good job stat gathering etc. | ||
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badboymav
Australia74 Posts
On May 12 2011 21:59 AsianEcksDragon wrote: SC2 is not even a complete game yet. What do you see in it that made you think it will replace BW? Such a silly question, what did people see in broodwar that would replace other games? Potential. | ||
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ChThoniC
United States536 Posts
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Hermanoid
Sweden213 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On May 12 2011 22:41 aupstar wrote: You are naive to think such a thing..No two bw games are the same and the metagame continues to evolve and change..  Hmm, I don't watch BW. I just thought that was the case from what i've heard  | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
MBS and automine and the whole nature of SC2 put this glass ceiling on the skill level of the game. It's like taking baseball and basically making the ball and bat plastic so it's impossible to make the ball go anywhere. Anyone can play. You can be godly, but it won't show. You'll be the same as anyone else. You can talk on and on about how the game is still being figured out, but if MBS and automine are here to stay, I really can't see how it will develop into something resembling the skill of BW. And I'm going to go one step further and say that some of the people defending SC2 just don't want to admit that the game they are playing and the players they cheer for are actually shit compared to Brood War mid-levels. | ||
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Conquista
Singapore4 Posts
And anybody even worthy to be called a "Starcraft" fan should first go play both games, and watch both games, and will find that BW takes so much more skill, and concentration. Of course one can be obstinate at be stuck at his own point of view " Oh SC2 got better graphics better future more promises." Go try your hand at BW, get owned, and then cry that BW is so hard to play and master. Only then, you will understand. | ||
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istealhotelsoap
United States514 Posts
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Zago
22 Posts
Some of those players who were mediocre at BW who have come to dominate SC2 may have changed their work ethic significantly to become winners at SC2. I think we'll have more insight on this in a years time because the first 6 months of SC2 top play was not the greatest (watch Fruitdealers road to GSL1 win for example). | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
People saying that "oh I can't enjoy SC2 anymore with the knowledge that BW has so many better players" need to think really hard about that statement. From the outset it's been clear that BW still has the more developed and dominating scene, which doesn't mean SC2 can't be fun to watch. If you like rooting for your foreign heros then I don't think this knowledge is going to change that fact. If you like watching the best koreans go at it in GSL, then you're still being served, because, currently they ARE the best koreans in SC2. Flash and Jaedong are of course fucking incredible players and no doubt they would have a big impact if they switched, however it is wrong to say that it will only occur if they are around. There can be no question in mind, that if FlaSh can turn up randomly during BWs reigning time and take the scene by storm, that a new flash is lurking among the korean population that will try SC2, and maybe prove even more dominant. The focus on practice houses and the matter of SC2 pros not practicing as much as BW pros is also a non-issue, because as competition increases and useful training regimes are discovered, the amount of time invested into practice in SC2 will naturally rise. You're kidding yourself if you think Boxer started off with the same training regime that BW players on the SKT1 team have now, but it will eventually be at that point if not even more, because SC2 mechanical differences are even smaller so tweaking them will only display at the highest levels. I have yet to see a single livestream of SC2 that displays the full potential of speed for the game, IdrA and Nony(tyler) seem so slow compared to their BW games that it will only be matter of time before they start increasing their speed. TL;DR - Don't rage. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
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Raygun
348 Posts
There are a lot of fans of BW for sure, but is it mostly viewers and not players at this point for people outside of Korea? Does the author of this post actively play either game? | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
"Perhaps motivation flagged after they won too many tournaments, or maybe the prize money was too distracting. " or perhaps its a different game, with different mechanics, that works different way. easier? fine, i can accept that, go enjoy bw being a better game and gtfo. god, is this really worthy of TL front page? lol | ||
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Marzocchi
United States58 Posts
On May 12 2011 22:55 SiCkO_ wrote: It's not to bash SC2, most of what the article is saying is that their is a HUGE talent pool poised at any minute to stream over and essentially set up shop in SC2. If this happens, awesome, if not, oh well. Well -- duh. Is there any game, sport, or competition where there's NOT a chance to see new players come and dominate? The OP needed an entire article to say: "Guys - there's going to be some really good SC2 players in the future." ... As an aside, does the OP think XD's~Grrrr... sat around saying "Gee, I should probably stop playing and start worrying because at some point someone (perhaps their names will be Flash/Jaedong) are going to come along and kick my ass in this game, making everything I've done look like romper room playtime." ? | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On May 12 2011 23:07 Raygun wrote: I'm curious about how many people actually play BW now. The BW strategy forums are pretty dead, it doesn't even fill a page over the last two weeks and the most active thread is about BW mechanic crossover to SC2. SC2 has 14 pages of threads over the same time frame. There are a lot of fans of BW for sure, but is it mostly viewers and not players at this point for people outside of Korea? Does the author of this post actively play either game? does it matter? lol | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
Only two ex-BW pros have the distinction of being above average in their past careers: (T)RainBOw, Code S, GSL silver and bronze - 116-114 (50.43%) (P)Ace, stomped white dudes at IEM – 2-0 (100%) I thought Nada and Boxer were pretty good. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On May 12 2011 22:57 Zato-1 wrote: BW legends and their "Starsense" are going to flounder when the units, the builds and the timings they've practiced with for so many years become obsolete. SC2 is intensive on a different skillset than BW, so really, I'm not at all surprised to see a low correlation between success in the SC2 scene vs. success in the BW scene. Let the elephant continue to graze in the BW pastures I say, and continue living out its gentle decline. The article pointed out that Boxer/Nada/July (the BW legends playing SC2) were way passed their prime in the BW scene. MC/Nestea/MVP (the current top SC2 players) were at the bottom of the barrel in the BW scene. I'm of the opinion that the current top BW players won't make the switch because they are getting paid too well. So much so that Flash/JD/Bisu will probably retire as BW pros. | ||
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
As a fan of both scenes, I'm sad to see that this is in Teamliquid's front page. I don't see the constant need to prove BW's superiority over and over again. | ||
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