EPTIf Intrigue does not feel he is wrong, I want to hear why and what his reasons are. I'll probably don't agree but I'd rather see him defend his position than some half arsed apology. I really do not like those PR apologies to appease you often see in StarCraft. I'd rather Stephano just defended his abuse-joke rather than his half-arsed apology of which it was clear he didn't mean a word.
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SiskosGoatee
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If Intrigue does not feel he is wrong, I want to hear why and what his reasons are. I'll probably don't agree but I'd rather see him defend his position than some half arsed apology. I really do not like those PR apologies to appease you often see in StarCraft. I'd rather Stephano just defended his abuse-joke rather than his half-arsed apology of which it was clear he didn't mean a word. | ||
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On September 16 2013 03:47 SiskosGoatee wrote: I don't actually. Not that I expect you to know me but I can get quite vitriolic when people come with apologies when they don't mean it. I expect people when they have a position to be ready to defend it and not give in to appease. If Intrigue does not feel he is wrong, I want to hear why and what his reasons are. I'll probably don't agree but I'd rather see him defend his position than some half arsed apology. I really do not like those PR apologies to appease you often see in StarCraft. I'd rather Stephano just defended his abuse-joke rather than his half-arsed apology of which it was clear he didn't mean a word. While I totally respect this attitude, it seems to me that you took this article or maybe the subsequent discussion a tad bit too personal. To me at least "requesting" another public statement after all this time seems somewhat obsessive. You were right from the outset and history showed it in spite of all the naysayers. But the real losers are those who don't even realize when they've won. It's time to let it go now. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
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In this case though, it's hardly personal or against me, Intrigue owes this to a lot of people. He rose up and said 'The game you are watching is a farce because ...' and 'Yo, progamers, you are a farce and just bad because ...' and ostensibly history has proven him wrong. Now, maybe we misunderstood him in which case he can say 'No, I wasn't wrong because ...' and see if people believe his explanation or not. But with the current state of things a follow up article is owed I feel. You don't just go around telling people they are a farce and just walk out when you are ostensibly proven wrong. Reminds me of that Nancy Grace situation in the Duke Lacross case. Basically, what it looked like is that a woman falsely accused three men of raping her with Nancy Grace vocally proclaiming before the trial that they were obviously guilty, as the trial went on it more and more started to appear like the claims were completely baseless and more and more witnesses strated to provide alibis for the three men. When the 'not guilty' verdict was returned which everyone expected near the end Nancy Grace didn't host her own show, a stand in host was used that day to report the not guilty verdict. Major cop out from Grace. After months of vilifying what looks now to be three innocent men you either apologize to them sincerely when you believe you were wrong. Or you still believe in their guilt and defend that position. You don't just walk away when you know you were wrong not apologizing to them. What intrigue does is similar, the reason for his silence is probably because he knows he was wrong. Maybe that isn't true though, maybe he still believes in the veracity of his initial article but then he should be ready to defend it in the light of it ostensibly being proven so wrong over time. Especially when your article consisted of taking a group of people and basically calling them terrible at what they were doing. Intrigue, if you believe you were wrong, just say it, we all make mistakes, what makes a great man is not making no mistakes, but owning up to them and admitting them. If you do not believe you were wrong, then stand up for your beliefs and defend them in the light of everyone currently criticizing them. | ||
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On September 16 2013 05:36 SiskosGoatee wrote: ... Reminds me of that Nancy Grace situation in the Duke Lacross case. Basically, what it looked like is that a woman falsely accused three men of raping her with Nancy Grace vocally proclaiming before the trial that they were obviously guilty, as the trial went on it more and more started to appear like the claims were completely baseless and more and more witnesses strated to provide alibis for the three men. When the 'not guilty' verdict was returned which everyone expected near the end Nancy Grace didn't host her own show, a stand in host was used that day to report the not guilty verdict. Major cop out from Grace. After months of vilifying what looks now to be three innocent men you either apologize to them sincerely when you believe you were wrong. Or you still believe in their guilt and defend that position. You don't just walk away when you know you were wrong not apologizing to them. What intrigue does is similar, the reason for his silence is probably because he knows he was wrong. Maybe that isn't true though, maybe he still believes in the veracity of his initial article but then he should be ready to defend it in the light of it ostensibly being proven so wrong over time. Especially when your article consisted of taking a group of people and basically calling them terrible at what they were doing. So this article and the subsequent discussion "reminds you of" and "is similar to you than" a "fake rape allegation case"?! Well, I wish you good luck in your quest then and bid you farewell. Cheers! | ||
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Slydie
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I was thinking maybe it still was for the better, as it might have been a benefit for the international scene to have ESF run the premier Korean sc2 tourney. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On September 23 2013 02:16 Slydie wrote: Except for Nestea and FD they haven't really. This article singled out Bomber and Losira as being terrible or whatever. those players are all going strong. can you remember when people in this article were actually debating who is better, Bomber or Flash? despite Flash having next to no results compared to Bomber 'But it's Flash guise, DAE le BW?', at this point pretty much everyone can see that Flash was just a tad bit overrated with respect to SC2.What is true though, is that an early swich from kespa would have made the sc2 scene more competetive, and would look very different, simply by the number of teams and players. Now, it is so long ago that even the stars of early sc2 have fallen from grace. | ||
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kingshop77
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SiskosGoatee
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Or put it in the BW general forum, oh the glory that would ensue. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
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On October 13 2013 08:37 hunts wrote: Just at the moment where the finals is between two BW players and taking up 3/4 of the Ro4 spots as well.I'm surprised this thread is still up, although it appears that all the elephant supports have abandoned it. I reeally did want jaedong to dominate though But hey, here's the issue, Dear is now an eSF player, not a KeSPA player. Because half way they changed the angle of view, it wasn't bout being a BW A-teamer, it was about KeSPA's training regimen to explain why ForGG and Hyun weren't domating and later JD. Innovation also no longer counts since he joined acer I mean wtf. The definition of who is an 'Elephant' so garbled at the moment you can't make anything out of it any more. Which is exactly the point, there is no real difference, the only difference that exists is Korean and foreigner. | ||
lichter
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On October 17 2013 20:50 SiskosGoatee wrote: Just at the moment where the finals is between two BW players and taking up 3/4 of the Ro4 spots as well. But hey, here's the issue, Dear is now an eSF player, not a KeSPA player. Because half way they changed the angle of view, it wasn't bout being a BW A-teamer, it was about KeSPA's training regimen to explain why ForGG and Hyun weren't domating and later JD. Innovation also no longer counts since he joined acer I mean wtf. The definition of who is an 'Elephant' so garbled at the moment you can't make anything out of it any more. Which is exactly the point, there is no real difference, the only difference that exists is Korean and foreigner. Are you secretly inlove with intrigue? Man you love this thread | ||
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SiskosGoatee
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I have nothing against people being wrong, I just have something against people who see what they want to see. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On October 27 2013 14:02 SiskosGoatee wrote: I have a passionate desire to rub people in who were wrong when they only saw what they wanted to see. I have nothing against people being wrong, I just have something against people who see what they want to see. Trying to hurt people defeats the purpose of any just cause. So you're not any better. War's over, everybody go home. | ||
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Rhodesian Ridgeback
United States20 Posts
Reading this article made me laugh, whoever wrote it is looking pretty silly as all those BW players (not named Jaedong) failed to dominate or do well. | ||
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