EPTSeriously though, Bomber is pretty good. And I'm on record saying Bomber is better than Flash before Bomber beat Flash. Don't think he's better than Innovation though, who's still probably the best player in the world.
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
Seriously though, Bomber is pretty good. And I'm on record saying Bomber is better than Flash before Bomber beat Flash. Don't think he's better than Innovation though, who's still probably the best player in the world. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9174 Posts
On July 19 2013 06:19 SiskosGoatee wrote: Because Artosis said Bomber could never beat Flash or Innovation or whatever and we're all fucking sheep who live in the idea that Artosis actually knows the fuck he's talking about. Seriously though, Bomber is pretty good. And I'm on record saying Bomber is better than Flash before Bomber beat Flash. Don't think he's better than Innovation though, who's still probably the best player in the world. I`d like to see Bomber dominate proleague the way flash did. A few TvT Bo3 wins in a recently patched mu doesn`t mean much | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 23 2013 08:31 Scarecrow wrote: I`d like to see Bomber dominate proleague the way flash did. A few TvT Bo3 wins in a recently patched mu doesn`t mean much Over half of Flash's Proleague wins were from beating players who are either Code A-ish level or not even that, while Bomber 2-0'd arguably the top 2 Terrans in the world. All depends on how you look at it, because quality of opponents matter. If you try hard enough you can almost always find a reason why someone's accomplishments aren't as impressive as they seem (like I just did with Flash's PL record). Personally I don't see the point in comparing because the fact is that Bomber isn't playing in Proleague. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On July 24 2013 13:29 HolyArrow wrote: You realize you just argued in favour of Bomber being better than Flash by saying Bomber 2-0'd the top 2 Terrans in the world, one of them is Flash, right?Over half of Flash's Proleague wins were from beating players who are either Code A-ish level or not even that, while Bomber 2-0'd arguably the top 2 Terrans in the world. All depends on how you look at it, because quality of opponents matter. If you try hard enough you can almost always find a reason why someone's accomplishments aren't as impressive as they seem (like I just did with Flash's PL record). Personally I don't see the point in comparing because the fact is that Bomber isn't playing in Proleague. That said, Flash is by no means even in the top 5 of best Terrans. Flash is potentially the single most overrated player that SC2 has ever known. Completely overhyped due to his results in a different game. I mean, I had a discussion on IRC with someone who just after Flash won the MLG KeSPA invitational already said Flash was the best SC2 player, riiiiiight... People were calling Flash amazing when he failed to qualify for code S twice.. and this wasn't even being particularly remarkable in code A. Each time beating an average player in the first round and then losing to an average player in the second round. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 24 2013 19:58 SiskosGoatee wrote: You realize you just argued in favour of Bomber being better than Flash by saying Bomber 2-0'd the top 2 Terrans in the world, one of them is Flash, right? That said, Flash is by no means even in the top 5 of best Terrans. Flash is potentially the single most overrated player that SC2 has ever known. Completely overhyped due to his results in a different game. I mean, I had a discussion on IRC with someone who just after Flash won the MLG KeSPA invitational already said Flash was the best SC2 player, riiiiiight... People were calling Flash amazing when he failed to qualify for code S twice.. and this wasn't even being particularly remarkable in code A. Each time beating an average player in the first round and then losing to an average player in the second round. I think we might have a misunderstanding here. I'm not saying whether or not Bomber or Flash is better because it's hard to call. Bomber did 2-0 him head to head but it remains to be seen how good Bomber's TvP or TvZ is. I was simply illustrating how it's easy to downplay almost any achievement (like Scarecrow was doing with Bomber's 2-0s over Flash and Innovation) by in turn downplaying Flash's Proleague record. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
Well, I think Bomber is better than Flash because better overall results in tournaments they both compete in. Proleague, let's face it, isn't close to the level of play of WCS KR Premier. Just like GSTL isn't. | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On July 30 2013 18:48 SkullZ9 wrote: Nah, he cheesed 3 times in a row, this is the excuse the elephantists will cling onto now.Maybe the elephant was Maru, after all | ||
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di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
in the end ESF and Kespa have great players... and to me both sides are equally strong.. but not putting the players into the equation I still love it when Kespa fails hard. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 31 2013 04:20 di4m0nd wrote: soo Kespa where are your Gods now? in the end ESF and Kespa have great players... and to me both sides are equally strong.. but not putting the plays into the equation I still love it when Kespa fails hard One of the main reasons I'm still watching SC2  | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On July 31 2013 04:20 di4m0nd wrote: Pretty much, I also don't buy the myth that supposedly KeSPA 'trains harder' or something, I mean, what would honestly make that organization train harder than eSF? I'm pretty sure all Korean proteams have comparable training schedules, it's not like it's super hard to make players train harder or that it costs you more money to do so, in fact, it costs you less, putting them behind a computer is cheaper than paying for recreational activities. Leenock also said there is basically no real difference in how the proteams in either organization operate.soo Kespa where are your Gods now? in the end ESF and Kespa have great players... and to me both sides are equally strong.. but not putting the plays into the equation I still love it when Kespa fails hard And no one deriding this article is arguing that KeSPA is worse than eSF. That's not the point. I'd give KeSPA an edge at the top level. It's hard to deny the top 3 best players are probably KeSPA at this point. The issue is that this article made claims along the thought of that the entirety of code S should be filled with KeSPA players right now maybe except 1-2 original SC2 players, didn't happen. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
"There is nothing special about KeSPA players" - Jaedong | ||
Waxangel
United States33627 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh boy, this is almost as bad as when Flash said the marauder was his favourite SC2 addition and he loved bio play. Artosis never quite got that piece of his soul back.Today in WCS AM "There is nothing special about KeSPA players" - Jaedong | ||
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
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Le Cheque Zo
Spain133 Posts
OSL Spoilers + Show Spoiler + Maru won 4-2 from 0-2 down | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On August 10 2013 12:03 HanSomPa wrote: There are no 'eSF fans' in this thread. No one is contending that eSF is better than KeSPA. That's not the point, I don't care much for eSF vs KeSPA, both are doing quite well and the differences between both organizations aren't that big.Every time KeSPA have good results, we see eSF fan mockery, KeSPA fan stupidity. Every time we see KeSPA have bad results, we see eSF fan mockery and more KeSPA fan stupidity. The point of this article wasn't 'KeSPA will be better', the point of the article was 'KeSPA will absolutely dominate to the point of maybe 1 non BW a-teamer left in code S' surely that didn't happen. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Taeja 2-1 Innovation, 3-0 Rain. | ||
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