EPTit doesn't even have any meaning anymore
no, anybody from any game can be good at anything, but yes, also the game is not yet fully matured
half wrong, half right is this OP
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
it doesn't even have any meaning anymore no, anybody from any game can be good at anything, but yes, also the game is not yet fully matured half wrong, half right is this OP end of thread | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:28 darkscream wrote: good god, stop posting in this thread it doesn't even have any meaning anymore no, anybody from any game can be good at anything, but yes, also the game is not yet fully matured half wrong, half right is this OP end of thread you DONT want this thread to end. It's a very simple end all thread for anyone whos arguing about this. Sure, you'll still get some random threads in general, but most of the time the arguing is confined to this thread. Why it's gotten to as many page as it has. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Back to watching dragon troll people so hard they rage, while he nukes his own planetaries. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On December 21 2011 07:15 darklight54321 wrote: you DONT want this thread to end. It's a very simple end all thread for anyone whos arguing about this. Sure, you'll still get some random threads in general, but most of the time the arguing is confined to this thread. Why it's gotten to as many page as it has. And also darkscream, you are being hypocritical for posting in this thread as well. Why do you get the last word? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
Ask anyone who followed the BW scene this question. I guarantee you no one will disagree with this article | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: Top BW players are prodigious, given equal practice time it's only reasonable that they'd be better than run of the mill players like MVP. The problem is that a lot of the top BW players find SC2 too simple for their tastes, so this will mostly be irrelevant. If BW does die, then Flash and Jaedong will probably just move on from their lives. They're plenty rich enough as it is. Source? Even if they do, the game has not been fully figured out yet, even with the influx of some weak BW players. This is probably because they play terran, and really, what else can terran do. But zerg and toss are not near the skillcap. Realistically, in late game zerg should get massive surrounds because of overlord drops and muta harass vs toss should get even more rediculous with overlord dropped lings to support mutas. Even if you find a source, SC2 isn't too simple | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27168 Posts
Midas interview. | ||
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karlmengsk
Canada230 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I should actually rephrase that, as midas is a retired player of average BW progamer skill level. Midas isn't close to Flash/Jaedong/Bisu, admittedly. Flash has also been interviewed saying what would he do if he had to stop playing BW (this was because he had wrist problems), and he said that the only reason he's stuck with BW is he finds it the only game fun enough to play as much as he does -- and he has tried playing SC2 at the time of said questioning. I don't believe Jaedong and Bisu have had similar questions posed, but the sentiment seems to be similar. Furthermore, there was a video interview by superdanielman with the SKT staff who were asked what they thought of SC2, and they gave a similar response. Admittedly, this was very early in SC2's lifespan and the difficulty curve has obviously increased, but it's not like I'm pulling this out of my ass. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:15 darklight54321 wrote: someones behind the times. MSL is having an sc2 section, there was even a press release about a certain amount of BW pros being trained in sc2. There ended up being a thread on here with the 30 most likely to switch and even had possible practice accounts. There WILL be a transition eventually. Based on how succesful the MSL version of sc2 is depends on how fast the transition occurs. If they try to make a competition between GSL and MSL in production value and costs and such then i believe it will mean that BW as the champion esport will fall in korea in around two years, becuase it shows they are putting a major investment into it. IF they dont try and compete and simply do their own competition/league, then bw will most likely last for a much longer time (i'm thinking 4-5 years). If the second event occurs i believe that BW wll last as long as the stars are active. When all the supermen retire from BW i think is when the game will finally end. Supermen could always retire before sc2 and have a guaranteed succesor at some point, with the amount of sc2 pros right now, and more people switching to it, the chances of a superman that can take the game to it's current heights or higher is very rare, and so thats the lifespan of BW. How long it can produce superstars and how many fans they can get attached to them. Wtf? You could at least try harder to make this sound more believable. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:15 darklight54321 wrote: someones behind the times. MSL is having an sc2 section, there was even a press release about a certain amount of BW pros being trained in sc2. There ended up being a thread on here with the 30 most likely to switch and even had possible practice accounts. There WILL be a transition eventually. Based on how succesful the MSL version of sc2 is depends on how fast the transition occurs. If they try to make a competition between GSL and MSL in production value and costs and such then i believe it will mean that BW as the champion esport will fall in korea in around two years, becuase it shows they are putting a major investment into it. IF they dont try and compete and simply do their own competition/league, then bw will most likely last for a much longer time (i'm thinking 4-5 years). If the second event occurs i believe that BW wll last as long as the stars are active. When all the supermen retire from BW i think is when the game will finally end. Supermen could always retire before sc2 and have a guaranteed succesor at some point, with the amount of sc2 pros right now, and more people switching to it, the chances of a superman that can take the game to it's current heights or higher is very rare, and so thats the lifespan of BW. How long it can produce superstars and how many fans they can get attached to them. I'm going to ask you one thing. What does MSL mean? I know what it means to me, but I'm just making sure you're not lying out of your ass before I accuse you of it, as it MIGHT be an initialization of something else. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Seriusly there are ppl who doesnt care about S class progamer Thats just wrong !! | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
As understand the op correctly, he is basicly saying that there are people around who currently dont play sc but who would be alot better at sc then anny current player, If they put in enough time and training to get to know the game off course. Well this does not cheapen the competition for me in anny way, the situation you described can be said for manny if not all other sports, and it has never botherd me there either. We have to do with the players we have and actually are playing the game and putting time into training it Its imo futile to think about what could have been if x or y would go play the game. Besides that sc2 might differ more from bw then you all think and its not set in stone the best bw players would completely crush the best sc players atm Beeing good in a game requieres besides talent also effort, and the effort part is beeing underrated here The bw players only have the talent, as they have put in no effort in sc2 so far and speculating what they would achieve if they put in the effort is interesting, but just speculation. | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
btw THIS post On December 21 2011 09:25 SkimGuy wrote: A majority of the people who don't believe BW players will dominate are/were ignorant to the BW scene in general. That's not their fault, but it doesn't mean they're right. Ask anyone who followed the BW scene this question. I guarantee you no one will disagree with this article is a crock of shit. Of course anyone who follows the BW scene extensively wont disagree with this. It's like interviewing fundamentalists for a religion and surveying them on whether their religion is better then another religion. and just to state my opinion on the whole thing, i feel like the players that are able to innovate in BW will be amazing in sc2, while the ones that are solely mechanical will be good, but not amazing. Why? because it's a new game and the people who innovate the best survive the best.of FUCKING COURSE players like flash, bisu, and jaedong will suceed in sc2, not becuase bw is better then sc2 or any shit, but because they are simply good at RTSs. Flash, imo, could pick up any game and be pro level in a week within the rts category. People who say that the best at BW will be the best at SC2 because of any relation in hardnes or whatever are just plain idiots, they are going to succeed because they have the work ethic and are good at this style of rts. Nothing more, nothing less. /end rant. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
He is obviously greatly exaggerating the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277093 There has been absolutely no news since "Kespa are considering SC2 at some point" and "they updated the monitors to widescreen LCD". | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On December 21 2011 12:23 darklight54321 wrote: yeah to the people who talked about my MSL shit, i just used MSL as the title not really caring about. I should have specified the Pro League instead of just puling MSL out of my ass. btw THIS post is a crock of shit. Of course anyone who follows the BW scene extensively wont disagree with this. It's like interviewing fundamentalists for a religion and surveying them on whether their religion is better then another religion. and just to state my opinion on the whole thing, i feel like the players that are able to innovate in BW will be amazing in sc2, while the ones that are solely mechanical will be good, but not amazing. Why? because it's a new game and the people who innovate the best survive the best.of FUCKING COURSE players like flash, bisu, and jaedong will suceed in sc2, not becuase bw is better then sc2 or any shit, but because they are simply good at RTSs. Flash, imo, could pick up any game and be pro level in a week within the rts category. People who say that the best at BW will be the best at SC2 because of any relation in hardnes or whatever are just plain idiots, they are going to succeed because they have the work ethic and are good at this style of rts. Nothing more, nothing less. /end rant. expect a response how those bw noobs are nowhere near "gods" like nestea,mvp etc. and if you dont get the irony in this then your opinion doesnt matter in this thread ;> glad tho that this thread still manages to get to the top. | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On December 21 2011 14:25 Crisium wrote: TTT, it's best to stay out of the affairs of the SC2 forum. He is obviously greatly exaggerating the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277093 There has been absolutely no news since "Kespa are considering SC2 at some point" and "they updated the monitors to widescreen LCD". exxageration? there are BW teams that are converting some of their players to sc2 per another sim thread (came out like a week after that one) as a preparation for "a new league". Considering the kespa shit and this information a very valid conclusion is kespa is going to try their own sc2 tourney/league to test the waters. Everything else was pure speculation regarding how they go about this new league/tourney. On December 21 2011 14:26 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: expect a response how those bw noobs are nowhere near "gods" like nestea,mvp etc. and if you dont get the irony in this then your opinion doesnt matter in this thread ;> glad tho that this thread still manages to get to the top. btw, the irony in that is not what you think it is. The irony is because thats exactly how a lot of BW fanboys talk about the best BW players.... | ||
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