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On May 13 2011 18:23 Tirr wrote:
I wonder, have pokerstrategy ppl seen this? 3 days before the TSL3 finals one of TL staff writes the article, where he calls SC2 competition (so also TSL3) a farce. If I'm from pokerstrategy, I would really question sponsoring the next tournament. Yeah, how dare they? It would be so much better if the TL staff had no integrity whatsoever.
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Great read, I never had a chance to experience Brood War, but this article makes me want to see all these amazing players, like Flash, Bisu etc. play Starcraft 2 and see whiter they will be the powerhouses they were in Brood War.
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On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it.
You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty?
This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2.
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On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it.
Keyword here is Audience. I daresay that a fairly significant number of people who watch BW in Korea do not play BW at all. This is why BW is a true eSport rivaling tradition sports in appeal. Young 3 year olds enjoy BW, young fangirls, young fanboys, university students, middle aged salary men, the elderly couples. BW appeals to all these audiences and more. eSports. Comparable to how not every fan of baseball or football plays the game.
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On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to.
even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea.
Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed.
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On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed.
They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though
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On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW
even if they killed iCCup and B.net,we'd just move to fish and Brain,plus I'm talking about Blizzard killing the Korean BW scene.
oh and Blizzard basically gave up by saying they acknowledge the rights of KeSPA,their sponsors and players.
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I don't know how BW is doing in Korea, but what I do know is that there are plenty of starleague VoDs for me to watch as well as people on iCCup to play against. And isn't that all that matters?
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On May 13 2011 18:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW even if they killed iCCup and B.net,we'd just move to fish and Brain,plus I'm talking about Blizzard killing the Korean BW scene.
Oh I'm perfectly aware that's what you are referring to, but that notion stems from your lack of understanding of the subject, which has unfortunately been the case for most people here. Sorry if this appears hostile, but you are the one making wild accusations
Also, blizzard could force any custom server to shut down
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On May 13 2011 18:46 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW even if they killed iCCup and B.net,we'd just move to fish and Brain,plus I'm talking about Blizzard killing the Korean BW scene. Oh I'm perfectly aware that's what you are referring to, but that notion stems from your lack of understand of the subject, which has unfortunately been the case for most people here. Sorry if this appears hostile, but you are the one making wild accusations
oh then please do make me understand then,because everything they've done so far during the case was an attempt to kill the scene and take its players to SC2 by force.
yes blizzard could shut down any server they want,but do they really want to?
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On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though
Hmm, bold statements when:
User Questions:
Q: On SC2, are you starting to see a ramp up in interest in Korea as more of the professional players shift toward the newer version, give us an update on the professional market there.
Michael Morhaime: The Korean E-Sports ... our partner, GOMTV, is running GSL, it continues to be very popular ... but we are seeing that SC1 has maintained popularity, and so the transition to SC2 has been slower than we anticipated.
Even Blizzard admits their goal was to get people to switch. It was never about protecting the IP rights of their ancient relic. Blizzard's main goal was to see the destruction of Kespa and institute an e-sport they alone could control.
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On May 13 2011 18:51 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though Hmm, bold statements when: Show nested quote +User Questions:
Q: On SC2, are you starting to see a ramp up in interest in Korea as more of the professional players shift toward the newer version, give us an update on the professional market there.
Michael Morhaime: The Korean E-Sports ... our partner, GOMTV, is running GSL, it continues to be very popular ... but we are seeing that SC1 has maintained popularity, and so the transition to SC2 has been slower than we anticipated. Even Blizzard admits their goal was to get people to switch. It was never about protecting the IP rights of their ancient relic. Blizzard's main goal was to see the destruction of Kespa and institute an e-sport they alone could control.
It's absolutely true Blizzard wanted everyone to transition to SC2, but as I said, they could have easily killed BW without the law suit. Anyway, this is a derail and has been discussed to death elsewhere and it's evident neither side of this discussion will be swayed
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On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though
They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol.
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On May 13 2011 18:54 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol.
You seem to be under the impression Russia is some free haven free of IP laws, but I can assure you that's not the case. Moreover, if there were no legal servers for players to play online on, BW would have definitely died at least if the servers were forced to shut down within a specific time frame
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On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it.
outside of korea, maybe. but foreigners are inconsequential. in korea, bw is doing fine and there are lots of people that still care
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On May 13 2011 18:53 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:51 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though Hmm, bold statements when: User Questions:
Q: On SC2, are you starting to see a ramp up in interest in Korea as more of the professional players shift toward the newer version, give us an update on the professional market there.
Michael Morhaime: The Korean E-Sports ... our partner, GOMTV, is running GSL, it continues to be very popular ... but we are seeing that SC1 has maintained popularity, and so the transition to SC2 has been slower than we anticipated. Even Blizzard admits their goal was to get people to switch. It was never about protecting the IP rights of their ancient relic. Blizzard's main goal was to see the destruction of Kespa and institute an e-sport they alone could control. It's absolutely true Blizzard wanted everyone to transition to SC2, but as I said, they could have easily killed BW without the law suit. Anyway, this is a derail and has been discussed to death elsewhere and it's evident neither side of this discussion will be swayed
yes but that would not make people switch to SC2 now would it?It would anger the fans and make people hate blizzard and never buy another Blizzard product.
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On May 13 2011 18:57 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:54 Boblion wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol. You seem to be under the impression Russia is some free haven free of IP laws, but I can assure you that's not the case. Moreover, if there were no legal servers for players to play online on, BW would have definitely died at least if the servers were forced to shut down within a specific time frame
You realize that SC has this function called LAN support, right?
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On May 13 2011 18:58 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:57 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:54 Boblion wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol. You seem to be under the impression Russia is some free haven free of IP laws, but I can assure you that's not the case. Moreover, if there were no legal servers for players to play online on, BW would have definitely died at least if the servers were forced to shut down within a specific time frame You realize that SC has this function called LAN support, right?
oh yes,I forgot,You can't Kill Hamachi.
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On May 13 2011 18:58 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:57 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:54 Boblion wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol. You seem to be under the impression Russia is some free haven free of IP laws, but I can assure you that's not the case. Moreover, if there were no legal servers for players to play online on, BW would have definitely died at least if the servers were forced to shut down within a specific time frame You realize that SC has this function called LAN support, right?
Prima facie it would seem to me they could have prevented pcbangs from including BW
While you can't kill hamachi, it's of questionable legality so I'm not sure if BW could thrive if it had to rely on illegal means
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On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it.
the argument of the OP isnt about foreign esports, its about korea.
On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though On May 13 2011 18:57 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 18:54 Boblion wrote:On May 13 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:On May 13 2011 18:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 13 2011 18:37 setzer wrote:On May 13 2011 18:25 Vorlik wrote:On May 13 2011 16:58 Slakter wrote:On May 13 2011 16:50 Ruscour wrote:
Brood War is bound to fall. It has a large, loyal fanbase, but that fanbase is growing far slower than SC2's fanbase, and this will continue to deteriorate, because the game looks like balls. And that's a factor.
The transition will be slow, but it IS a transition. Brood War will die eventually. And Blizzard wants it to. How can this be true in any way? At least in South Korea this just simply IS NOT true. Brood war is far from dying, players are still playing at a higher level than SC2 will see in many years, the game is constantly changing (Through pros working out new builds, not patches) and the competition is as hard as it has ever been. I cant see how anyone can think that Brood war is dying. Sorry to break it to you but it doesn't matter how much competition, new builds, level of play,etc there is. It boils down to how many people actually care, and I guarantee you the broodwar audience is not growing, it's only declining. No 15 year old is going to start up their first rts experience with broodwar, but with sc2. It's been over a decade, it's dying, that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea what BW is like in Korea, yet you claim things with absolutely certainty? This has been said before: Korea cares very little for SC2. even 3 year olds still watch BW in Korea,no its not going anywhere in Korea. Oh and even Blizzard can't kill BW,they tired and failed. They did not attempt to and they could have easily forced iccup servers to shut down, which would have killed BW. It's understandable why someone who does not understand IP laws and why companies initiate these kind of law suits would believe that though They would have not been able to shut down the Iccup servers since they are located in Russia and also it is hilarious to think that shutting down Iccup would kill Korean bw lol. You seem to be under the impression Russia is some free haven free of IP laws, but I can assure you that's not the case. Moreover, if there were no legal servers for players to play online on, BW would have definitely died at least if the servers were forced to shut down within a specific time frame
The server is in russia, they cant shut it down. And blizz in fact explicitly announced they wanted to terminate SC BW esports and make a total transition to sc2, so yeah, they did want to kill it.
BTW blizz hasnt even been able to shut down the huge WoW private servers in the US with 30k+ constant population, which have a way bigger impact on their revenue.
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