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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:03 syllogism wrote: Prima facie it would seem to me they could have prevented pcbangs from including BW you seem to have an intent to kill BW in a place that is happy with BW. again like I said,killing BW would only make the fanbase unhappy. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: you seem to have an intent to kill BW in a place that is happy with BW. again like I said,killing BW would only make the fanbase unhappy. Not at all, I prefer watching BW over SC2, I'm merely against people making false accusations. I don't think killing BW via the law suit would have made the fanbase any happier. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:03 syllogism wrote: Prima facie it would seem to me they could have prevented pcbangs from including BW While you can't kill hamachi, it's of questionable legality so I'm not sure if BW could thrive if it had to rely on illegal means You just said in a previous post: It's absolutely true Blizzard wanted everyone to transition to SC2, but as I said, they could have easily killed BW without the law suit. What are they going to do instead? ask nicely? | ||
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Legatus Lanius
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:06 syllogism wrote: Not at all, I prefer watching BW over SC2, I'm merely against people making false accusations. I don't think killing BW via the law suit would have made the fanbase any happier. my accusation of Blizzard killing BW is not false,and i did not say it would have been ok if they killed BW via the lawsuit either.We can dance this dance a hundred times if you want or we can let it go.. On May 13 2011 19:10 Legatus Lanius wrote: i wonder whatll happen to intrigue nothing,given that the only flak he got is from the community and not the pros I'm sure hes fine. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:06 syllogism wrote: Not at all, I prefer watching BW over SC2, I'm merely against people making false accusations. I don't think killing BW via the law suit would have made the fanbase any happier. So if you prefer watching bw over sc2, why I havent seen your name in the lr threads in the bw section? And looking through your post history I see that you only post in SC2 related stuff. How can that be? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:09 setzer wrote: You just said in a previous post: What are they going to do instead? ask nicely? All companies want the playerbase to move on to their new product, but few for instance terminate their old online services to achieve that goal. They attempted to achieve that goal by making a product that could compete with the old and attempted to provide further incentives by making the game relatively cheap in Korea. Unfortunately for them they appear to have failed in game design; not that it's a bad game, but in its current form it just can't compete with high level BW as a spectator sport. On May 13 2011 19:24 mdb wrote: So if you prefer watching bw over sc2, why I havent seen your name in the lr threads in the bw section? And looking through your post history I see that you only post in SC2 related stuff. How can that be? I read BW live threads and rarely post in SC2 ones because live threads in general aren't my thing; also the BW side is a bit elitist nowadays. Further, while I think BW is the superior spectator game, I'm excited about the growth of SC2 outside Korea, enjoy following foreigner players and still hold hope some of the design issues will be addressed eventually. | ||
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Casablancas
Denmark145 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:24 mdb wrote: So if you prefer watching bw over sc2, why I havent seen your name in the lr threads in the bw section? And looking through your post history I see that you only post in SC2 related stuff. How can that be? Yeah, he is clearly not part of the elite! Kick him out of the club! | ||
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hmmm...
632 Posts
On May 13 2011 17:40 karpo wrote: I'm a huge fan of BW and i care how it looks. I loved BW to death but the graphics are just so dated. Super Mario 3 and World/Zelda 3 aged with grace, to me BW didn't. Saying that BW fans don't care about graphics is a huge statement not really based on facts, i'm pretty sure a decent amount of fans moved over to SC2 cause it just much more fluent and looks better. Edit: Just waiting for the "The ones who care about graphics were never BW fans" comeback. i think this just goes to show how opinions are so strong. i am being 100% honest from here: i like BW graphics much more than sc2 graphics. why? because it's much clearer and spectators (and the gamer alike) can tell what's going on better. units are bigger with respect to each square feet of the map so micro is more possible, etc. look, i'm not saying i like bw more than sc2 b/c of the graphics, i clearly don't. but i'm just saying that you shouldn't be too sure that a decent amount of bw fans moved over to sc2 b/c it looks better because i personally know a lot of people who like the clarity of sc1 graphics more. most BW fans who play sc2 but still watch BW do so b/c many of their friends are playing sc2, it's fun playing sc2 (but not as fun to watch), and a myriad of other more significant reasons that the graphics. i don't really understand why anyway would play a game based on graphics....let alone a RTS game. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:26 Casablancas wrote: Yeah, he is clearly not part of the elite! Kick him out of the club! LOL what a terrible double agent. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On May 13 2011 19:06 syllogism wrote: Not at all, I prefer watching BW over SC2, I'm merely against people making false accusations. They basically let BW be for 10 years and then all of a sudden start a lawsuit. You have to incredibly gullible to not see that they are trying to kill BW. If the timing isn't enough, maybe the fact that they demanded stuff that are completely absurd like a "smoth transition" to SC2 and control of the proteams and maps. I don't think killing BW via the law suit would have made the fanbase any happier. Well it worked on you, didn't it? I doubt even you could have misunderstood their intentions if they killed all possibility to play BW all of a sudden. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On May 13 2011 20:00 Elroi wrote: They basically let BW be for 10 years and then all of a sudden start a lawsuit. You have to incredibly gullible to not see that they are trying to kill BW. If the timing isn't enough, maybe the fact that they demanded stuff that are completely absurd like a "smoth transition" to SC2 and control of the proteams and maps. Well it worked on you, didn't it? I doubt even you could have misunderstood their intentions if they killed all possibility to play BW all of a sudden. To be fair, Blizzard has been trying since 2007, when KeSPA suddenly decided they held broadcasting right to Proleague. They have tried to negotiate for 3 years, without much result, and had to resort to lawsuit. It is not necessarily fair thing to say Blizzard is blindly trying to kill BW. KeSPA has its faults in this as well. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On May 13 2011 20:05 Nayl wrote: To be fair, Blizzard has been trying since 2007, when KeSPA suddenly decided they held broadcasting right to Proleague. They have tried to negotiate for 3 years, without much result, and had to resort to lawsuit. It is not necessarily fair thing to say Blizzard is blindly trying to kill BW. KeSPA has its faults in this as well. I have been on TL almost every day since 2007. I had never heard about blizzard interfering with BW before 2010. Not even once. BW has been televised in Korea since forever. It is not a new phenomenon. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:31 Drolla wrote: Great read, I never had a chance to experience Brood War, but this article makes me want to see all these amazing players, like Flash, Bisu etc. play Starcraft 2 and see whiter they will be the powerhouses they were in Brood War. If only even one percent of the newbies were like you. :/ | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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KingOfKangTheHee
39 Posts
Its not like they have a game changing patch every month or so... since the different game theory has already been stated, id like to throw it out there that i had a 90% win at golems 9.0 but only 30% on sc2 | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
There's no denying within the space of a year SC2 has grown tremendously showing its potential of growth into something in its own light. But people cannot ignore the ornate monuments built by the BW scene and the invaluable insight it offers in mere defensive sycophancy. Until we see the introduction of the "Flash and Jaedong" outliers that will stretch and define the benchmarks of competition of the SC2 scene it will always be "incomplete" as a progaming scene judging from what we've been treated to for the ten beautiful years of the BW scene. The real question is whether the elephant is an innate part of the room or whether something that can be ushered out through gradual cultural evolution. We won't know for sure until a few years and have the benefit of hindsight. | ||
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loupouk
France105 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On May 13 2011 20:22 Squeegy wrote: If only even one percent of the newbies were like you. :/ Agreed. | ||
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LucienL
Netherlands8 Posts
everyone starts off at the same level, and everyone can get the same benefits from practice. There is no talent. your romantic idea that some players are "just better" and somehow should be winning is so wrong it's not even funny | ||
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