On May 13 2011 07:36 sermokala wrote: Its stuff like this is why I hate all the stuff that keeps coming out of the BW diehards. Why can't they Support SC2 and not just shit on it every single chance they get.
Just so my point is clear We have Not one but TWO $50k leagues that are primarily america based and The scene is growing every single month. And yet the top community site must have an article on the front page saying how the entire world of sc2 is a farce and all the storylines that we've really been happy about is just total shit and we're all failures that have no hope against 300 people that don't speak English and have nothing at all for use to even care about if we're not extreme fanboys that love watching a game that looks like total shit compared to every other game.
TLDR: reaction: But everyone come back and watch the TSL3 Finals this weekend which is going to be total shit beacuse no one whos not asian and plays BW is total shit. What kind of message does this send?
Its one mans view.. and it is an awesome article that adresses an interesting point. He should not voice his opinion? O_O
If it's just his opinion why is it on the front page news instead of a spot lighted blog? Why are so many mods backing him up?
If a SC2 fan made a thread like this attacking BW the thread would be closed and they would be warned / banned but when a BW player attacks the SC2 then it gets put on the front page?
Because it is a Final Edit, and that has always been front page news. And some staff agrees with this, at least parts. We actually had a huge internal discussion about the conclusions and claims too its not that black and white.
And no, if the SC2 fan would write his thoughts out eloquently, there's no way we would close it and/or ban.
One I dont buy this. Two if in fact the staff had a huge internal discussion regarding this post then why have a double standard? If I posted something like this I would be banned for a week. A number of top tier TLers (from BW backgrounds) have said its insulting and inflammatory. If the staff had a "huge internal discussion" then why does the staff seem so divided on this topic. If not divided then why does this "news post" break a number of posting rules that this site lives by.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
Force fields, Holding the F button and moving the mouse whicle clicking. Now a difficult skill.
"all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded"
All the skills you mentioned have easier mechanics than casting storms in SC1, splitting mutas from irradiates, placing dark swarms... They are not different and difficult skills, they are same basic mechanics and easier. Im not saying this is better or worse for the game, but do you honestly believe force field speed casting is hard?
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
On May 13 2011 08:54 xarthaz wrote: Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
Do you really believe that SC2 requires more micro than BW?
The article seems a bit disjointed and does a poor job of supporting what I presume to be its main point - that "the competition in SC2 thus far has been a farce." The author makes a lot of random, unrelated points (for example, BW players don't have to worry about ongoing patches, the best BW pros make more money than the best SC2 pros, etc), and the article certainly doesn't flow logically to the "what's my point" section, where he finally says something that relates back to his original point. And there we learn the author's real argument - that the competition in SC2 is a farce because there are a "notable few" BW pros who could probably crush current SC2 pros. What? Isn't there actually more competition when there aren't a select few players dominating? I don't know about you, but I've watched tons of exciting, close SC2 matches - hardly a "farce." The author's viewpoint requires a real attachment to the BW norm of the scene being dominated by a small group of players. Personally, I think that cheapens the competition, because it's almost a foregone conclusion what's going to happen. To call SC2 competition a "farce" because Jaedong and Flash aren't destroying everybody is a bit of an overstatement.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
On May 13 2011 07:36 sermokala wrote: Its stuff like this is why I hate all the stuff that keeps coming out of the BW diehards. Why can't they Support SC2 and not just shit on it every single chance they get.
Just so my point is clear We have Not one but TWO $50k leagues that are primarily america based and The scene is growing every single month. And yet the top community site must have an article on the front page saying how the entire world of sc2 is a farce and all the storylines that we've really been happy about is just total shit and we're all failures that have no hope against 300 people that don't speak English and have nothing at all for use to even care about if we're not extreme fanboys that love watching a game that looks like total shit compared to every other game.
TLDR: reaction: But everyone come back and watch the TSL3 Finals this weekend which is going to be total shit beacuse no one whos not asian and plays BW is total shit. What kind of message does this send?
Its one mans view.. and it is an awesome article that adresses an interesting point. He should not voice his opinion? O_O
If it's just his opinion why is it on the front page news instead of a spot lighted blog? Why are so many mods backing him up?
If a SC2 fan made a thread like this attacking BW the thread would be closed and they would be warned / banned but when a BW player attacks the SC2 then it gets put on the front page?
Because it is a Final Edit, and that has always been front page news. And some staff agrees with this, at least parts. We actually had a huge internal discussion about the conclusions and claims too its not that black and white.
And no, if the SC2 fan would write his thoughts out eloquently, there's no way we would close it and/or ban.
One I dont buy this. Two if in fact the staff had a huge internal discussion regarding this post then why have a double standard? If I posted something like this I would be banned for a week. A number of top tier TLers (from BW backgrounds) have said its insulting and inflammatory. If the staff had a "huge internal discussion" then why does the staff seem so divided on this topic. If not divided then why does this "news post" break a number of posting rules that this site lives by.
Maybe Im missing something. Im open to that.
The thesis and conclusion of OP are quite controversial and may be ban-worthy on their own if presented in a haphazard manner.
However, OP goes to extensive lengths to support his opinions with plenty of facts, quotes, and statistics to substantiate his argument. It's one thing to have an inflammatory opinion, but it's another thing to have a heavily supported, well-written inflammatory opinion. The more effort that is put into the post, the less likely that it is going to be closed, and OP has gone above and beyond to provide this effort.
On May 13 2011 08:25 stratmatt wrote: i just tried watching a bw match on youtube between mvp and flash. i was bored out of my mind yet again. thank god sc2 came around and renewed my interest in rts games.
We BW fans have to deal with these kinds of posts all the time (many times even in the stream chat for BW games) and people wonder why there's so much animosity between the two groups.
notice how i never really bothered posting on this site until the ultimate troll article was posted on the main page that basically crapped all over the game and players i have had a blast watching the past 6 months or so? ive used this site as a great sc2 resource, and im not even remotely interested in bw because like i said, i find it boring. thats my opinion....should it be frontpage news? you reap what you sow. ive already been dissapointed with the terrible showing of supposed sc2 greats that play for teamliquid(jinro and huk), and now im seeing this site itself isnt all i thought it was cracked up to be.
lol who the fuck are you? you think your views are important enough to be put on the first page?
And the article is actually quite well written, although I do not agree with some parts of it. TL is a fan site, not like an official sc2 site. I won't mind seeing posts about SC2 although im mainly a fan of BW and dont really like SC2.
On May 13 2011 07:36 sermokala wrote: Its stuff like this is why I hate all the stuff that keeps coming out of the BW diehards. Why can't they Support SC2 and not just shit on it every single chance they get.
Just so my point is clear We have Not one but TWO $50k leagues that are primarily america based and The scene is growing every single month. And yet the top community site must have an article on the front page saying how the entire world of sc2 is a farce and all the storylines that we've really been happy about is just total shit and we're all failures that have no hope against 300 people that don't speak English and have nothing at all for use to even care about if we're not extreme fanboys that love watching a game that looks like total shit compared to every other game.
TLDR: reaction: But everyone come back and watch the TSL3 Finals this weekend which is going to be total shit beacuse no one whos not asian and plays BW is total shit. What kind of message does this send?
Its one mans view.. and it is an awesome article that adresses an interesting point. He should not voice his opinion? O_O
If it's just his opinion why is it on the front page news instead of a spot lighted blog? Why are so many mods backing him up?
If a SC2 fan made a thread like this attacking BW the thread would be closed and they would be warned / banned but when a BW player attacks the SC2 then it gets put on the front page?
Because it is a Final Edit, and that has always been front page news. And some staff agrees with this, at least parts. We actually had a huge internal discussion about the conclusions and claims too its not that black and white.
And no, if the SC2 fan would write his thoughts out eloquently, there's no way we would close it and/or ban.
One I dont buy this. Two if in fact the staff had a huge internal discussion regarding this post then why have a double standard? If I posted something like this I would be banned for a week. A number of top tier TLers (from BW backgrounds) have said its insulting and inflammatory. If the staff had a "huge internal discussion" then why does the staff seem so divided on this topic. If not divided then why does this "news post" break a number of posting rules that this site lives by.
Maybe Im missing something. Im open to that.
Nonsense. TL is always accepting of any constructive criticism. Even people blatantly criticizing BW without anything substantial to back it up haven't gotten banned, yet you think making a constructive post criticizing BW would cause you to get banned? Don't make baseless claims. It's insulting to the TL staff.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
what in gods name did you just say? please flash vs bisu micro youtube it
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
... I cannot believe what I just read. ANY supporter of BW would give up at this point.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
Okay, some things that're just plain wrong here. Action's defiler micro has been crazy in all his recent games. Watch his games that go into lategame like Action vs Bisu or something.
Also, high DPS != micro intensive. Remember that in WC3, it took a lot longer to kill a unit, but WC3 is undoubtedly more micro-intensive than SC or SC2.
And SC1 doesn't reward micro? What do you think differentiates the S players from the A players? It's micro. You watch JD's muta-micro vs Flash and tell me Micro isn't rewarded in SC1. You watch Flash's Marine vs Lurker micro or Boxer's Marine vs Lurker micro and you tell me that isn't rewarded in SC:BW. You watch Stork's Reaver or Carrier micro and you tell me that isn't rewarded in SC:BW. That's just BS.
MVP and Nestea didn't get the rewards they deserved in SC1 because they didn't deserve it. If you deserve it, you earn it. Otherwise, you don't deserve it. They didn't win. They didn't deserve it.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
What?
Seriously. Try to understand, SC1 can only control 12 units at a time, and the Unit AI is dumb. While in SC2, you can control a bazillion of units and have smart casting. Medivac micro cant be compared to Medic micro.
If you saw the Action now, every scene on the screen has either a plague or a darkswarm.
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What? SC2 has very few skills that you need that you did not need in BW, i actually have trouble naming any off the top of my head.
On May 13 2011 08:34 gn0m wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:30 xarthaz wrote: What a lot of people dont understand is the big skill in the game. SC2 takes totally different and DIFFICULT skills to get good at, which is why imo bw pros havent switched. And paradoxically it also shows the heroism, the mechanical ability of the SC2 top players that remained unappreciated in the BW scene due to it not contributing to game winning.
What type of skill is there in SC2 that is absent in BW?
Top level stim cloning to preserve medivac energy, emp sniping, force field speed casting. all these require insane speed and macro that imo dont get rewarded in bw, because of that the gsl winners were not that good in bw, because their skill didnt get rewarded
They didn't get rewarded because they lacked skill and motivation. For example : MVP. A Woongjin Terran.
Oh please. Action only had decent defiler control in 1 game against flash and he still lost it. hardly remarkable. and while acouple of those guys do good stuff imo marinekings micro is what really makes it shine in sc2 because in sc1 you dont have this dps output to reward pro micro, what im trying to say is the damage is too low. remember, for reaction speed and micro skill to have a large relevance to outcome of battle, the whole battle needs to end relatively quickly which is possuble due to sc2 high dps units, but sc1 units low damage so fight too long and doesnt reward pro micro. this is why micro experts like mvp and nestea didnt get reward they deserved in sc1. sorry but thats how it works
... I cannot believe what I just read. ANY supporter of BW would give up at this point.
Interesting read. I disagree with most of your points, simply because competition is borne out of necessity. People are X good at something, so other people have to become better than X to beat them (Y) so then the competition is Y good, and the next level is Z etc.
It's a constant streamlining process that takes a long time to achieve. It's daft to point to MVP and play down his "best terran" status simply because he wasn't the best at broodwar. Sure some skills are transferable, but not to that extent.
Your argument that people like Flash/Jaedong could switch to SC2 and in a few months become great players is perfectly fine, but you seem to be implying that they would continue to improve rapidly and overtake the top SC2 pros is a little extreme, and you have nothing other than your personal opinion to back it up with.
I enjoyed the article, and you clearly put a lot of effort into it, but I feel it was also a little sensationalist.
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
While OP is very solid in his arguments, there is one thing he is dead wrong about. The sc2 scene is not a farce. While its top korean players where nobody in bw, and the game itself is a lot less mechanical, dare I say more casual, they still represent the best there is in the current sc2 scene. They are still competing and I'm still entertained and following.
If you wonna watch super skilled gameplay that the sc2 scene is still working its towards, then fine with me. Just dont belittle the ones that just wonna see the current best of the game they play and enjoy.
On May 13 2011 07:36 sermokala wrote: Its stuff like this is why I hate all the stuff that keeps coming out of the BW diehards. Why can't they Support SC2 and not just shit on it every single chance they get.
Just so my point is clear We have Not one but TWO $50k leagues that are primarily america based and The scene is growing every single month. And yet the top community site must have an article on the front page saying how the entire world of sc2 is a farce and all the storylines that we've really been happy about is just total shit and we're all failures that have no hope against 300 people that don't speak English and have nothing at all for use to even care about if we're not extreme fanboys that love watching a game that looks like total shit compared to every other game.
TLDR: reaction: But everyone come back and watch the TSL3 Finals this weekend which is going to be total shit beacuse no one whos not asian and plays BW is total shit. What kind of message does this send?
Its one mans view.. and it is an awesome article that adresses an interesting point. He should not voice his opinion? O_O
If it's just his opinion why is it on the front page news instead of a spot lighted blog? Why are so many mods backing him up?
If a SC2 fan made a thread like this attacking BW the thread would be closed and they would be warned / banned but when a BW player attacks the SC2 then it gets put on the front page?
Because it is a Final Edit, and that has always been front page news. And some staff agrees with this, at least parts. We actually had a huge internal discussion about the conclusions and claims too its not that black and white.
And no, if the SC2 fan would write his thoughts out eloquently, there's no way we would close it and/or ban.
One I dont buy this. Two if in fact the staff had a huge internal discussion regarding this post then why have a double standard? If I posted something like this I would be banned for a week. A number of top tier TLers (from BW backgrounds) have said its insulting and inflammatory. If the staff had a "huge internal discussion" then why does the staff seem so divided on this topic. If not divided then why does this "news post" break a number of posting rules that this site lives by.
Maybe Im missing something. Im open to that.
Nonsense. TL is always accepting of any constructive criticism. Even people blatantly criticizing BW without anything substantial to back it up haven't gotten banned, yet you think making a constructive post criticizing BW would cause you to get banned? Don't make baseless claims. It's insulting to the TL staff.
My fault I will just ignore the massive number of threads that have been closed because they have been "divisive" over the past year when all they stated was similar arguments with intelligent backing. Your right, Im just delusional...along with others that have noticed this...
On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote: I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead.
I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost.
Is this the 'mature' BW fan response?
Did I ever attempt to portray it as such? When talking to children you don't use big words or difficult concepts, do you? Same idea here.
Troll more?
Well Ribbon said he was being a doucebag in his own words before he edited it to say jerk.
This is true. I edited it because I felt it was a little inappropriate.
EPT
its not that black and white.
