They are all struggling, but my point was that even Inno who is normally a TvZ god is struggling quite a bit. To be fair, he is still the best Terran, but Zergs like Rogue/Dark are giving him a hard time in what is normally his best MU.

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 10 2017 19:59 GMT

#2962

I think it still his best MU.. but Rogue and Dark are zerg at its finest, and with current meta it's hard to keep up. For exemple in TvT he don't lose a lot but I think that other terrans are less sharp than Rogue or Dark for exemple.

seemsgood

5527 Posts

October 10 2017 22:00 GMT

#2963

On October 10 2017 23:15 Mun_Su wrote:

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He 8-3'd Zest yesterday dude, I also think that TvP maybe his worst Match up but come on he play MMMM (and not MMM) plus liberator, and not simple liberator, but double starport with range, then he adds ghost (at least I saw hime more often adding ghost); and he also adds vikings is opponant has Tempest or colossis.

Also in TvZ he is the best terran, despite Hydra buff making bio play very hard against Zerg he still rekt every zerg but the very best like Rogue or Dark.

Edit / He just won Olimoleague Week 104 ! He totally outclassed TY in the finals.

He won against Solar 3-2 which was close as hell.But he must face best zerg in blizzcon and at least TY and Maru tried to mix other units despite got rekt by Dark,Rogue but i would say they have better chance in late game against them than Bogus.I don't watch his TvP recently so i don't know he got improved or not but his showing in GSL got me worried.

ParksonVN

Australia370 Posts

October 11 2017 04:22 GMT

#2964

On October 11 2017 07:00 seemsgood wrote:

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The problem TY is facing is that he usually gives his opponents too much time to get Hive tech and by that, he's forced to mix ghost/ wm to his combo.
For Maru/ByuN, they always pressure constantly without any sense of timing. That's why they lose before late game most of the times. And their late game certainly aren't better than Inno.
But Inno approaches in different way, he knows when to parade push, when to hold back and wait for the next attack, so the Zergs never feel safe to tech up. Even in late game situation Inno still has insane winrate. Have you watched Inno vs Solar game 3 last night ? Inno had so many Libers that he didn't even give a shit when Solar tried to abduct them.

Sakat

Croatia1599 Posts

October 11 2017 07:49 GMT

#2965

We'll see what happens, but I am quietly confident that Inno will come up with some sort of a solution. He rarely just looks clueless in any matchup.

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 11 2017 08:56 GMT

#2966

The differene between INno and Byun/Maru is that INno likes to play standard to perfection, and to have such a winrate with a lot of standard play need more than simple godlike mechanics, he understand quite well all the timings, especially against Zergs. And I think he is better than any terran in TvZ, no matter if it's early, middle (his strongest timing) or late game. TY's one is quite insane but since he let to much breathing time to his opponents he often enter the late game without decisive advantage, and with the switch of meta, the Hydra-L-B he has a very hard time getting to late game

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 11 2017 13:10 GMT

#2967

I just saw the last game of inno vs bunny in base trade tv starleague it was a sick macro TvT, inno won with bio against mech, using in the end mass vikings liberators +3 attack (while Bunny only upgraded well his mecha)

ParksonVN

Australia370 Posts

October 12 2017 14:53 GMT

#2968

herO just 3-1d Inno in Master's Coliseum, he looks like Inno's kryptonite. Inno always lost to him when they faced, at least in recent months.

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 12 2017 15:17 GMT

#2969

Aye seing the protoss I like the least beat my favorite terran is a little bit depressing

pvsnp

7676 Posts

October 12 2017 16:09 GMT

#2970

Wouldn't sweat it too much, Inno was playing super standard the way he always does online. herO's cheesy style works great against that, so I'd be shocked if Inno didn't play more carefully at Blizzcon.

kajtarp

Hungary485 Posts

October 13 2017 07:07 GMT

#2971

On October 13 2017 01:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wouldn't sweat it too much, Inno was playing super standard the way he always does online. herO's cheesy style works great against that, so I'd be shocked if Inno didn't play more carefully at Blizzcon.

I'm not an inno fan, so im 100% non biased with my opinion. He could just aswell used these last two tournaments to experiment with some builds. To see what works, and what does not. I'm 100% sure he will use the most efficient playstyles in blizzcon.

Steven Cai

United States47 Posts

October 13 2017 20:09 GMT

#2972

On October 11 2017 04:59 Mun_Su wrote:
other terrans are less sharp than Rogue or Dark.

How are they sharp? This is an example of sharp, and no human is anything like that.
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/sharp-pencil-2431637.jpg

p1cass0

46 Posts

October 14 2017 09:19 GMT

#2973

Recent Results don't matter. Losing game is not a bad thing. They are all excises for the big prize. It's sad to see terran falling to the ground at this important moment. Difficult run for inno at Blizzcon.

p1cass0

46 Posts

October 14 2017 09:35 GMT

#2974

Has anyone noticed that inno always struggles in the early games? It's not about a certain match-up. Inno alwalys outplayed by Byun/TY in the first 5 min. Even vs Time he has no advantage at all. Roach Rush has always been the most effective ZvT strategy vs INno. Oracles and Adepts look so OP in his game. He often has less worker, late third base, small pressure for the opponent, and still can't handle cheese and harrasement. If he survives to the midgame without losing too much, it's gonna be a 80% win.

Keyboard Warrior

United States1178 Posts

October 14 2017 14:36 GMT

#2975

there is no more doubt it, INnoVation is GOAT and Starcraft God!

pvsnp

7676 Posts

October 14 2017 16:37 GMT

#2976

On October 14 2017 18:35 p1cass0 wrote:
Has anyone noticed that inno always struggles in the early games? It's not about a certain match-up. Inno alwalys outplayed by Byun/TY in the first 5 min. Even vs Time he has no advantage at all. Roach Rush has always been the most effective ZvT strategy vs INno. Oracles and Adepts look so OP in his game. He often has less worker, late third base, small pressure for the opponent, and still can't handle cheese and harrasement. If he survives to the midgame without losing too much, it's gonna be a 80% win.

Soulkey noticed this four years ago.

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 14 2017 17:02 GMT

#2977

On October 15 2017 01:37 pvsnp wrote:

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Soulkey noticed this four years ago.

It's too soon for making that kind of jokes

Mun_Su

France2063 Posts

October 15 2017 13:49 GMT

#2978

INno is playing against aLive, I noticed first time with him that in late game TvT he can go mass air viking liberators with upgrade and rekt his opponent, is this new meta or something that INno is bringing, I can't say...