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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 10 2017 19:35 GMT
#2961
On October 11 2017 04:17 Mun_Su wrote:
Do we know a single terran that isn't struggling againt hydra ling bane ?

They are all struggling, but my point was that even Inno who is normally a TvZ god is struggling quite a bit. To be fair, he is still the best Terran, but Zergs like Rogue/Dark are giving him a hard time in what is normally his best MU.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 10 2017 19:59 GMT
#2962
I think it still his best MU.. but Rogue and Dark are zerg at its finest, and with current meta it's hard to keep up. For exemple in TvT he don't lose a lot but I think that other terrans are less sharp than Rogue or Dark for exemple.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
October 10 2017 22:00 GMT
#2963
On October 10 2017 23:15 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2017 21:52 seemsgood wrote:
I'm so worry about his current bio play in late game.In late game TvP stay MMM plus one unit ,in TvZ still fucking stay MMM plus one unit.I don't know what is wrong in his mindset but that kind of attitude won't give him any chance to win against good P/Z players in late game despite his god-like macro....it's a waste....Z players don't even bother to add infestors when facing him is enough to tell how bad he is at late game.



He 8-3'd Zest yesterday dude, I also think that TvP maybe his worst Match up but come on he play MMMM (and not MMM) plus liberator, and not simple liberator, but double starport with range, then he adds ghost (at least I saw hime more often adding ghost); and he also adds vikings is opponant has Tempest or colossis.

Also in TvZ he is the best terran, despite Hydra buff making bio play very hard against Zerg he still rekt every zerg but the very best like Rogue or Dark.

Edit / He just won Olimoleague Week 104 ! He totally outclassed TY in the finals.

He won against Solar 3-2 which was close as hell.But he must face best zerg in blizzcon and at least TY and Maru tried to mix other units despite got rekt by Dark,Rogue but i would say they have better chance in late game against them than Bogus.I don't watch his TvP recently so i don't know he got improved or not but his showing in GSL got me worried.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-11 04:23:27
October 11 2017 04:22 GMT
#2964
On October 11 2017 07:00 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2017 23:15 Mun_Su wrote:
On October 10 2017 21:52 seemsgood wrote:
I'm so worry about his current bio play in late game.In late game TvP stay MMM plus one unit ,in TvZ still fucking stay MMM plus one unit.I don't know what is wrong in his mindset but that kind of attitude won't give him any chance to win against good P/Z players in late game despite his god-like macro....it's a waste....Z players don't even bother to add infestors when facing him is enough to tell how bad he is at late game.



He 8-3'd Zest yesterday dude, I also think that TvP maybe his worst Match up but come on he play MMMM (and not MMM) plus liberator, and not simple liberator, but double starport with range, then he adds ghost (at least I saw hime more often adding ghost); and he also adds vikings is opponant has Tempest or colossis.

Also in TvZ he is the best terran, despite Hydra buff making bio play very hard against Zerg he still rekt every zerg but the very best like Rogue or Dark.

Edit / He just won Olimoleague Week 104 ! He totally outclassed TY in the finals.

He won against Solar 3-2 which was close as hell.But he must face best zerg in blizzcon and at least TY and Maru tried to mix other units despite got rekt by Dark,Rogue but i would say they have better chance in late game against them than Bogus.I don't watch his TvP recently so i don't know he got improved or not but his showing in GSL got me worried.


The problem TY is facing is that he usually gives his opponents too much time to get Hive tech and by that, he's forced to mix ghost/ wm to his combo.
For Maru/ByuN, they always pressure constantly without any sense of timing. That's why they lose before late game most of the times. And their late game certainly aren't better than Inno.
But Inno approaches in different way, he knows when to parade push, when to hold back and wait for the next attack, so the Zergs never feel safe to tech up. Even in late game situation Inno still has insane winrate. Have you watched Inno vs Solar game 3 last night ? Inno had so many Libers that he didn't even give a shit when Solar tried to abduct them.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 11 2017 07:49 GMT
#2965
We'll see what happens, but I am quietly confident that Inno will come up with some sort of a solution. He rarely just looks clueless in any matchup.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 11 2017 08:56 GMT
#2966
The differene between INno and Byun/Maru is that INno likes to play standard to perfection, and to have such a winrate with a lot of standard play need more than simple godlike mechanics, he understand quite well all the timings, especially against Zergs. And I think he is better than any terran in TvZ, no matter if it's early, middle (his strongest timing) or late game. TY's one is quite insane but since he let to much breathing time to his opponents he often enter the late game without decisive advantage, and with the switch of meta, the Hydra-L-B he has a very hard time getting to late game
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 11 2017 13:10 GMT
#2967
I just saw the last game of inno vs bunny in base trade tv starleague it was a sick macro TvT, inno won with bio against mech, using in the end mass vikings liberators +3 attack (while Bunny only upgraded well his mecha)
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
October 12 2017 14:53 GMT
#2968
herO just 3-1d Inno in Master's Coliseum, he looks like Inno's kryptonite. Inno always lost to him when they faced, at least in recent months.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 15:42:35
October 12 2017 15:17 GMT
#2969
Aye seing the protoss I like the least beat my favorite terran is a little bit depressing
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 12 2017 16:09 GMT
#2970
Wouldn't sweat it too much, Inno was playing super standard the way he always does online. herO's cheesy style works great against that, so I'd be shocked if Inno didn't play more carefully at Blizzcon.
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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
October 13 2017 07:07 GMT
#2971
On October 13 2017 01:09 pvsnp wrote:
Wouldn't sweat it too much, Inno was playing super standard the way he always does online. herO's cheesy style works great against that, so I'd be shocked if Inno didn't play more carefully at Blizzcon.


I'm not an inno fan, so im 100% non biased with my opinion. He could just aswell used these last two tournaments to experiment with some builds. To see what works, and what does not. I'm 100% sure he will use the most efficient playstyles in blizzcon.
Why so serious?
Steven Cai
Profile Joined June 2017
United States47 Posts
October 13 2017 20:09 GMT
#2972
On October 11 2017 04:59 Mun_Su wrote:
other terrans are less sharp than Rogue or Dark.
How are they sharp? This is an example of sharp, and no human is anything like that.
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/sharp-pencil-2431637.jpg
Terran gathers, And now my mech begins, It shall not end until my death, I shall take no stim. Hold no CS, father no Marines, I shall wear no crowns and win no glory, I shall live and die at my factory. I am the Hellbat in the darkness, I am the Cyclone
p1cass0
Profile Joined May 2016
46 Posts
October 14 2017 09:19 GMT
#2973
Recent Results don't matter. Losing game is not a bad thing. They are all excises for the big prize. It's sad to see terran falling to the ground at this important moment. Difficult run for inno at Blizzcon.
p1cass0
Profile Joined May 2016
46 Posts
October 14 2017 09:35 GMT
#2974
Has anyone noticed that inno always struggles in the early games? It's not about a certain match-up. Inno alwalys outplayed by Byun/TY in the first 5 min. Even vs Time he has no advantage at all. Roach Rush has always been the most effective ZvT strategy vs INno. Oracles and Adepts look so OP in his game. He often has less worker, late third base, small pressure for the opponent, and still can't handle cheese and harrasement. If he survives to the midgame without losing too much, it's gonna be a 80% win.
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
October 14 2017 14:36 GMT
#2975
there is no more doubt it, INnoVation is GOAT and Starcraft God!
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 14 2017 16:37 GMT
#2976
On October 14 2017 18:35 p1cass0 wrote:
Has anyone noticed that inno always struggles in the early games? It's not about a certain match-up. Inno alwalys outplayed by Byun/TY in the first 5 min. Even vs Time he has no advantage at all. Roach Rush has always been the most effective ZvT strategy vs INno. Oracles and Adepts look so OP in his game. He often has less worker, late third base, small pressure for the opponent, and still can't handle cheese and harrasement. If he survives to the midgame without losing too much, it's gonna be a 80% win.

Soulkey noticed this four years ago.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 14 2017 17:02 GMT
#2977
On October 15 2017 01:37 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 18:35 p1cass0 wrote:
Has anyone noticed that inno always struggles in the early games? It's not about a certain match-up. Inno alwalys outplayed by Byun/TY in the first 5 min. Even vs Time he has no advantage at all. Roach Rush has always been the most effective ZvT strategy vs INno. Oracles and Adepts look so OP in his game. He often has less worker, late third base, small pressure for the opponent, and still can't handle cheese and harrasement. If he survives to the midgame without losing too much, it's gonna be a 80% win.

Soulkey noticed this four years ago.



It's too soon for making that kind of jokes
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 15 2017 13:49 GMT
#2978
INno is playing against aLive, I noticed first time with him that in late game TvT he can go mass air viking liberators with upgrade and rekt his opponent, is this new meta or something that INno is bringing, I can't say...
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 17 2017 15:55 GMT
#2979
INno won another online tournament, Olimoleague 105. You must watch his TvZ against Solar, it was quite awesome, despite some mistakes on Inno's side
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
October 19 2017 10:52 GMT
#2980
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/7775b4/innovation_barcode_compliments_yet_another_zerg/

man...this is not right at all...i've never seen he does this before and this is second time...But Dark is his friend so i hope it was just a joke.
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