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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:28 Dodgin wrote: http://www.esfiworld.com/news/mlg-winter-championship-signup-list http://team-builder.majorleaguegaming.com/events/28/teams http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321449#13 Didn't read those posts but this man knows his shit. | ||
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joocybaneling
67 Posts
both are insanely handsome both work insanely hard both are champions both have that smile that can melt a heterosexual man's heart <3 ah fuck it I'll just cheer for both of them! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
I'm glad he's not going to MLG, I think he really needs to rest up, he's slumping hard, losing to Seal and losing a game to Symbol shouldn't happen for him. To be fair, he made a big mistake early vs Seal where his non stim marines got caught on creep. But he actually played pretty well the rest of the game but Seal didn't make any major mistakes and just wore MVP down. I think the level of play between the Code A and Code S players are getting closer and 1 big mistake will cost you the game. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:47 InoyouS2 wrote: I'm glad he's not going to MLG, I think he really needs to rest up, he's slumping hard, losing to Seal and losing a game to Symbol shouldn't happen for him. Symbol and Seal are both very good zergs, It's not a crazy thing that he lost to them. Just because they are not code S does not mean they are not code S level. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:22 Dodgin wrote: Symbol and Seal are both very good zergs, It's not a crazy thing that he lost to them. Just because they are not code S does not mean they are not code S level. True, but he also lost to Ret and GanZi at MLG, an on-form Mvp should destroy zergs like Seal and Symbol. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:30 InoyouS2 wrote: True, but he also lost to Ret and GanZi at MLG, an on-form Mvp should destroy zergs like Seal and Symbol. I know some people think that the best players win 100% of the time but that's far from the truth. I won't defend his poor performance at the winter arena, because it was a very poor performance. But I don't think he is in a slump. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Code S this season. | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:32 Dodgin wrote: I know some people think that the best players win 100% of the time but that's far from the truth. I won't defend his poor performance at the winter arena, because it was a very poor performance. But I don't think he is in a slump. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Code S this season. You can just observe his gameplay and see it's not as clean as it was before. He is definately in a slump, probably because of his wrists. No one thinks he wins %100 of the time. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:32 Dodgin wrote: I know some people think that the best players win 100% of the time but that's far from the truth. I won't defend his poor performance at the winter arena, because it was a very poor performance. But I don't think he is in a slump. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Code S this season. Nobody has that expectation of him, and you're an idiot for even suggesting people do think like that. Before GSL November Mvp's winrate, according to the Korean TLPD was 71%, with 70+% in all matchups, since then he's been in a big slump, and has dropped to just 66.67% overall. That is from a statistical standpoint, just looking at his gameplay and comparing it to when he was in form he is so much worse and makes way more mistakes and plays a lot slower. He's probably my most favourite player just because he doesn't want to follow the way everyone else plays Terran, but instead tries out new things (such as refining mech play in TvT and TvZ) and makes it work. But he is definitely in a slump at the moment. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:51 InoyouS2 wrote: Nobody has that expectation of him, and you're an idiot for even suggesting people do think like that. Before GSL November Mvp's winrate, according to the Korean TLPD was 71%, with 70+% in all matchups, since then he's been in a big slump, and has dropped to just 66.67% overall. That is from a statistical standpoint, just looking at his gameplay and comparing it to when he was in form he is so much worse and makes way more mistakes and plays a lot slower. He's probably my most favourite player just because he doesn't want to follow the way everyone else plays Terran, but instead tries out new things (such as refining mech play in TvT and TvZ) and makes it work. But he is definitely in a slump at the moment. First of all, chill out on the name-calling. I guess you don't follow Broodwar but when Flash lost his first game after 14 wins people were already calling slump, so it's not rare at all. The reason for his dominance in late 2011 was because he was just that much more ahead of everyone else in skill at the game outside of a select few people. His winrates dropped because people caught up. He obviously is not as dominant as he was during that time period. His wrist injury is the biggest factor in this. I don't think we have the same definition of " slump " If he was slump he would not be winning his group in a tournament and would not have made it back to Code S for this season. If you mean to say " he is not killing everyone as badly as before " then yes I would agree with you. But he's not doing poorly right now by any means, once again just wait and see how this season of GSL goes before jumping to any conclusions. And if you want to see how he plays currently, go look up the recent VOD on IMTV. He's not slower. PS. I'm done responding to you since you refuse to be civil. | ||
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InoyouS2
1005 Posts
Symbol and Seal are both very good zergs, It's not a crazy thing that he lost to them. Just because they are not code S does not mean they are not code S level. True, but he also lost to Ret and GanZi at MLG, an on-form Mvp should destroy zergs like Seal and Symbol. I know some people think that the best players win 100% of the time but that's far from the truth. I won't defend his poor performance at the winter arena, because it was a very poor performance. But I don't think he is in a slump. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Code S this season. Nobody has that expectation of him, and you're an idiot for even suggesting people do think like that. Before GSL November Mvp's winrate, according to the Korean TLPD was 71%, with 70+% in all matchups, since then he's been in a big slump, and has dropped to just 66.67% overall. That is from a statistical standpoint, just looking at his gameplay and comparing it to when he was in form he is so much worse and makes way more mistakes and plays a lot slower. He's probably my most favourite player just because he doesn't want to follow the way everyone else plays Terran, but instead tries out new things (such as refining mech play in TvT and TvZ) and makes it work. But he is definitely in a slump at the moment. First of all, chill out on the name-calling. I guess you don't follow Broodwar but when Flash lost his first game after 14 wins people were already calling slump, so it's not rare at all. Try not making condescending statements then, and furthermore Mvp is not Flash, Flash is possibly the greatest RTS player or just gamer of all time, a 'slump' for Flash is 3 losses, how many losses has Mvp's slump consisted of? The reason for his dominance in late 2011 was because he was just that much more ahead of everyone else in skill at the game outside of a select few people. His winrates dropped because people caught up. He obviously is not as dominant as he was during that time period. His wrist injury is the biggest factor in this. I don't think we have the same definition of " slump " If he was slump he would not be winning his group in a tournament and would not have made it back to Code S for this season. He barely made it back into Code S, he went 2-1 to Sniper and could have easily lost in that series, this also indicates he is playing at a lower level because players like Sniper can now beat him. His Brood War background and strong showing in the OSL before he switched over was indicative of his superior skill level at that time, however we have also seen players like forGG switch who haven't performed well at all, so that may or may not be a legitimate factor. However, he is not playing at the same level he was in early-mid 2011, he is the one playing slower and making mistakes, other players are not improving at the rate you seem to suggest. If you mean to say " he is not killing everyone as badly as before " then yes I would agree with you. But he's not doing poorly right now by any means, once again just wait and see how this season of GSL goes before jumping to any conclusions. In his current state I would be surprised he makes it out of the group; in this last season of GSL he had arguably the two easiest groups he could possibly hope for, and you can just check the original discussion thread to confirm that. And if you want to see how he plays currently, go look up the recent VOD on IMTV. He's not slower. You mean the one where he lost 3 ladder games in a row then left? Ah, I see. PS. I'm done responding to you since you refuse to be civil. You're suggesting that he's playing at the level he's always played at and that he is not slumping, you also stated that people think he has a 100% winrate, which I stated was idiotic. That is not uncivilized, if anything that is a courtesy of correcting your flawed logic, so that perhaps you don't make a fool of yourself in a similar manner in the future. g'day. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
In his current state I would be surprised he makes it out of the group; in this last season of GSL he had arguably the two easiest groups he could possibly hope for, and you can just check the original discussion thread to confirm that. Actually, his Ro16 groups 'appeared' to be easy since GuMiho didn't play well in Ro32. However, considering both aLive and GuMiho ended up making Ro4, you could actually say he was in one of the harder groups. As for losing a game to Symbol, Symbol also beat players like Polt and Life in order to win the qualifier. I don't think anyone can argue MVP is not as dominant as his 2011 (July - Nov) stretch but I think it has to do more players playing at a higher level now. Remember, DRG was one lose away from elimination in his Ro32 group before winning it all last season. It goes to show how close the players are right now. 1 slightly off day or your opponent playing out of his mind or BO lost can lead to an early exit. Same with MVP's WCG win. He actually was about to go out in Ro16 in the Korean Qualifers but Happy saved him by going 3-0 (beating MC in the final game) so that MVP, Taeja and MC were all 1-2 and had to play tiebreakers | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On March 19 2012 22:12 Aunvilgod wrote: You don´t need to go to MLG anymore. The system is so stupid that there is no more reputation to gain anymore. As for losing a game to Symbol, Symbol also beat players like Polt and Life Polt is so overrated. He can win against foreigners, who can´t? Life? I don´t remember anyone from ZeNex doing REALLY well. In that second game against Symbol he was just behind by a huge amount due to his failed proxy. Symbol won easily although just throwing 10+ Mutas agains 3 Thors. Actually I can hardly blame any Terran for losing to zerg at the moment in case of a late-game scenario. You might have noticed, whenever Mvp scanned a hive he INSTANTLY went for the kill. Not much to do against a good blord infestor corrupter composition. | ||
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SecondHand
United States329 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:24 ILuMiNaTe wrote: Is MVP for sure not going to MLG? Because he won't be playing his GSL group until mid april so he could, if he wanted to attend MLG Columbus (and win). I actually hope he doesn't go to MLG.... I think it would benefit him much more to rest his wrists and prepare for Code S more then flying to the US to stomp some nerds for MLG | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
MVP is going to have to play better again if he wants to be on top. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:28 Dodgin wrote: http://www.esfiworld.com/news/mlg-winter-championship-signup-list http://team-builder.majorleaguegaming.com/events/28/teams http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321449#13 That first link is bogus, it has nestea in pools and sase in winners bracket. Nestea is not going and sase is in pools. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't go but I really wish he did, I want him to sign the right arm of my jacket. | ||
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