You`re getting the wrong impression here. I`m a fan... because of his one dimensional plays, because it's very entertaining, and he's very confident which makes me a bigger fan, so whenever he loses, I don't feel pity for him 'cause his confidence overwhelms me. "Don't worry, Losing will only make him better.... Look at MKP" <<<that's my thought (:

He's a one trick pony but a two time champion.. What's not to be a fan of?

I'm not even an MC fan but I would be dishonest with myself if I said his play is one dimensional.
From past matches, he's shown he knows 4/6 gate, proxy stargate pressure, blink, mass sentries, late game macro/micro etc. etc.

MC loses 1 BO5 and all of the sudden you've lost respect for him and call him a fool/tool? And loosing to one of the top Terrans at that.

The prevailing view of PvP is that it is a coinflip. I no longer agree with this. MC has shown he can win consistently in high level PvP by taking out AnyPro, San, WhiteRa. Gotta give props where it's due.

v3chr0

United States856 Posts

April 10 2011 03:46 GMT

#972

Me love MC, he stomp stomp.

<3

Seriously, this man showed every Protoss (And Terran and Zerg) in the world that Gateway units are not to be under estimated, along with many other tactics, strategies and units. He is a major reason why Protoss is in such good standing right now, he showed us the way.

HolyArrow

United States7116 Posts

April 10 2011 03:51 GMT

#973

On April 10 2011 12:46 v3chr0 wrote:
Me love MC, he stomp stomp.

<3

Seriously, this man showed every Protoss (And Terran and Zerg) in the world that Gateway units are not to be under estimated, along with many other tactics, strategies and units. He is a major reason why Protoss is in such good standing right now, he showed us the way.

It's true.

Here's what MC said about Protoss units (likely referring to Gateway units) back in Season 3:

Q. You did a ceremony of kissing a zealot figure.
A. There are many people that play protoss and insult their units. It was a message to them saying 'love your units'. You can win by loving your units and trying your hardest, and eventually become a proud protoss.

Riskr

Germany403 Posts

April 10 2011 04:11 GMT

#974

impressive as always

Sephimos

United States144 Posts

April 10 2011 04:20 GMT

#975

I don't think Tyler and Geoff could be any more wrong about MC, he does play an aggressive and technical style, but he's not some BitByBit hack who can't play past the 5 minute mark.

You know who else played an aggressive, technical style? Boxer in his prime. It seems like he turned out pretty well.

Turgid

United States1623 Posts

April 10 2011 04:29 GMT

#976

On April 10 2011 13:20 Sephimos wrote:
I don't think Tyler and Geoff could be any more wrong about MC, he does play an aggressive and technical style, but he's not some BitByBit hack who can't play past the 5 minute mark.

You know who else played an aggressive, technical style? Boxer in his prime. It seems like he turned out pretty well.

But Boxer was an innovator. If a player as cheesy as he was came about in the brood war pro scene now, they wouldn't be seen as solid at all, and NOBODY would be discussing them even winning a tournament, let alone being called a bonjwa, which is a far more rare and prestigious accomplishment - awarded to Boxer for his creativity and innovation as much as for his dominance.

Honestly, as much as I like MC(he's in my quote!), I'm very put off by the comparison to Boxer. Boxer changed the face of esports. He's a legend. He wasn't just unbeatable in his time, he was so innovative that people today don't even seem to be quite sure about how much of the way we think about Starcraft we owe to him. You can't talk about MC as being somehow in the same stratosphere of importance and you can't pass off every aggressive and all-innish player as being Boxeresque.

Sephimos

United States144 Posts

April 10 2011 04:52 GMT

#977

On April 10 2011 13:29 Turgid wrote:

Show nested quote +

I didn't say he's going to revolutionize the entire sport like Boxer did, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with a style revolving around execution and timings. Boxer was always criticized for having subpar macro, and MC is criticized along the same lines.

I don't get why nobody on this site can just take a limited comparison on its face. MC plays technical//timing style, so did Boxer, and it worked out fine. I didn't say MC'S THE NEW BOXER AND WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME IMPACT AND SUCCESS DEAL WITH IT. It would be like someone calling TLO a Chameleon because he can change depending on his surroundings, and someone getting upset about comparing him to a small tropical lizard.

Turgid

United States1623 Posts

April 10 2011 05:02 GMT

#978

The point is, though, that though having an aggressive or technical style is a valid way to play, nobody sees it as being as solid or dominant as any more solid style. That's why I commented that a player like Boxer would ever accomplish anything in Brood War, and that was Tyler's whole point. He thinks that MC is the best Protoss but he doesn't think that's a super meaningful accomplishment because we're at a stage in the game's development where it's possible to become the best Protoss without having a solid style.

The Boxer comparison doesn't work anymore because the standards are higher these days, hence why players like Boxer and Garimto can't dominate Starcraft.

Myrddraal

Australia937 Posts

April 10 2011 05:38 GMT

#979

On April 10 2011 14:02 Turgid wrote:
The point is, though, that though having an aggressive or technical style is a valid way to play, nobody sees it as being as solid or dominant as any more solid style. That's why I commented that a player like Boxer would ever accomplish anything in Brood War, and that was Tyler's whole point. He thinks that MC is the best Protoss but he doesn't think that's a super meaningful accomplishment because we're at a stage in the game's development where it's possible to become the best Protoss without having a solid style.

The Boxer comparison doesn't work anymore because the standards are higher these days, hence why players like Boxer and Garimto can't dominate Starcraft.

Could you explain what you would consider a more solid style? I'm having trouble seeing the depth in your words without some kind of valid comparisons, just saying that nobody sees it as being solid as any more solid style means nothing, and why are you speaking for everybody like this? You presume too much, I'm sure there are plenty of people that would consider an aggressive or technical style just as dominant as any other style.

Turgid

United States1623 Posts

April 10 2011 06:26 GMT

#980

The annals of Starcraft history disagree and that's what Tyler cites. He wants someone more like Stork, Bisu, or Reach, because after a certain point in Starcraft's development the cheesy players basically became obsolete. To put it another way, Jaedong has three starleague titles, and Shine has zero. Savior was a bonjwa, and July was never consistent enough. Not to draw too close a comparison between July and Shine.

Could it be any clearer when the end of Boxer's reign was to a large degree brought on by the macro revolution led by iloveoov?