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On August 27 2012 03:27 Mr Showtime wrote:
Holy shit. Stop posting these retarded assumptions. You really don't know what you are talking about.
You clearly have no brain if you assume if a better player joins a team and takes position held previously by someone
else, everyone is happy and nothing happens.
Oh yeah right, screw politics and all their "stupid races" to get on better committee. No one really cares whether he or she is demoted from committee since according to your logic they are "still on the same team(party)"
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On August 27 2012 03:31 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:27 Mr Showtime wrote:
Holy shit. Stop posting these retarded assumptions. You really don't know what you are talking about. You clearly have no brain if you assume if a better player joins a team and takes position held previously by someone else, everyone is happy and nothing happens. Oh yeah right, screw politics and all their "stupid races" to get on better committee. No one really cares whether he or she is demoted from committee since according to your logic they are "still on the same team(party)"
Those aren't comparable situations. Why the fuck am I arguing with you. You never fail to come forth with some sort of nonsense.
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On August 27 2012 03:31 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:27 Mr Showtime wrote:
Holy shit. Stop posting these retarded assumptions. You really don't know what you are talking about. You clearly have no brain if you assume if a better player joins a team and takes position held previously by someone else, everyone is happy and nothing happens. Oh yeah right, screw politics and all their "stupid races" to get on better committee. No one really cares whether he or she is demoted from committee since according to your logic they are "still on the same team(party)"
The truth is that EG was weak on the zerg side. Toss, they have JYP and HuK, Terran, they have PuMa, ThorZaiN and DeMusliM. For zerg, all they had was IdrA, who compared unfavorably to JYP and PuMa. EG is doing what is best for the team by having Stephano (and to a lesser extent Suppy) complete the roster. I'm hoping IdrA will benefit from those two additions - we will find out as time passes.
Your comparison with DeMusliM was interesting because it does apply to IdrA. IdrA is not a top player currently. Stephano is not taking IdrA's spot - IdrA lost that spot months ago. Stephano isn't replacing IdrA, he is at best taking an unfulfilled position. Now - that assumes that a Starcraft 2 team can only have one good player of each race, which I completely disagree with. Nothing stops IdrA from becoming a top zerg once again. I hope we saw the start of that this weekend.
What destroys your credibility is that you are saying that IdrA is so weak mentally that he will fall apart because a better player is joining the team - instead of rising to the occasion and fighting for the top spot. If that really is the case, IdrA should just retire.
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On August 27 2012 04:05 Mr Showtime wrote:
Those aren't comparable situations. Why the fuck am I arguing with you. You never fail to come forth with some sort of nonsense.
And you never fail to come out appearing like the source of wisdom. I'll ignore you since it is impossible for you to look at something from other perspective than your own therefore it is a waste of time to argue with you.
On August 27 2012 04:16 Thrax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The truth is that EG was weak on the zerg side. Toss, they have JYP and HuK, Terran, they have PuMa, ThorZaiN and DeMusliM. For zerg, all they had was IdrA, who compared unfavorably to JYP and PuMa. EG is doing what is best for the team by having Stephano (and to a lesser extent Suppy) complete the roster. I'm hoping IdrA will benefit from those two additions - we will find out as time passes.
Your comparison with DeMusliM was interesting because it does apply to IdrA. IdrA is not a top player currently. Stephano is not taking IdrA's spot - IdrA lost that spot months ago. Stephano isn't replacing IdrA, he is at best taking an unfulfilled position. Now - that assumes that a Starcraft 2 team can only have one good player of each race, which I completely disagree with. Nothing stops IdrA from becoming a top zerg once again. I hope we saw the start of that this weekend.
What destroys your credibility is that you are saying that IdrA is so weak mentally that he will fall apart because a better player is joining the team - instead of rising to the occasion and fighting for the top spot. If that really is the case, IdrA should just retire.
I agree EG was weak on the zerg side. EG is doing a great move to supplement their team. My argument is that it is not
the best move for IdrA.
Yes, Idra is not a top player currently. My argument was that he "was"(assuming Stephano joining EG) a top EG zerg, not top Zerg. While Stephano is taking the unfilled spot you are talking about, he is taking away the top zerg spot which currently belonged to IdrA.
It will not affect major tournaments. What might be affected is EGMC with Stephano playing for EG and taking away Greg's spot vs major teams like Slayers. (Puma, Jyp, Thorzain, Stephano as a lineup)
I do not say Idra is mentally weak and will fall apart. My argument is that it is a certainly another burden on Greg's mind.
The skill difference between these two is quite wide that it might be very hard for IdrA to compete and add stress when he is already in a slump.
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On August 27 2012 04:33 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:05 Mr Showtime wrote:
Those aren't comparable situations. Why the fuck am I arguing with you. You never fail to come forth with some sort of nonsense. And you never fail to come out appearing like the source of wisdom. I'll ignore you since it is impossible for you to look at something from other perspective than your own therefore it is a waste of time to argue with you. Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:16 Thrax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The truth is that EG was weak on the zerg side. Toss, they have JYP and HuK, Terran, they have PuMa, ThorZaiN and DeMusliM. For zerg, all they had was IdrA, who compared unfavorably to JYP and PuMa. EG is doing what is best for the team by having Stephano (and to a lesser extent Suppy) complete the roster. I'm hoping IdrA will benefit from those two additions - we will find out as time passes.
Your comparison with DeMusliM was interesting because it does apply to IdrA. IdrA is not a top player currently. Stephano is not taking IdrA's spot - IdrA lost that spot months ago. Stephano isn't replacing IdrA, he is at best taking an unfulfilled position. Now - that assumes that a Starcraft 2 team can only have one good player of each race, which I completely disagree with. Nothing stops IdrA from becoming a top zerg once again. I hope we saw the start of that this weekend.
What destroys your credibility is that you are saying that IdrA is so weak mentally that he will fall apart because a better player is joining the team - instead of rising to the occasion and fighting for the top spot. If that really is the case, IdrA should just retire.
I agree EG was weak on the zerg side. EG is doing a great move to supplement their team. My argument is that it is not the best move for IdrA. Yes, Idra is not a top player currently. My argument was that he "was"(assuming Stephano joining EG) a top EG zerg, not top Zerg. While Stephano is taking the unfilled spot you are talking about, he is taking away the top zerg spot which currently belonged to IdrA. It will not affect major tournaments. What might be affected is EGMC with Stephano playing for EG and taking away Greg's spot vs major teams like Slayers. (Puma, Jyp, Thorzain, Stephano as a lineup) I do not say Idra is mentally weak and will fall apart. My argument is that it is a certainly another burden on Greg's mind. The skill difference between these two is quite wide that it might be very hard for IdrA to compete and add stress when he is already in a slump.
Is there anyone else that actually agrees with your nonsense? That would be one thing to make me reconsider my stance on the issue. But is there really anyone else? You're kinda out on your own here
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Your latest post just showed how ridiculously unintelligent you are.
1. If according to you the absolute validity of post depends on how many people agree with it then I don't even want to continue
conversation with you.
Purely based on Idra's stream viewers we can talk about around 6k viewers. Dedicated fans who in addition to watching are posting in this thread are far less. Only like 4-6 people wrote negative response and you already assume that the 5500 more IdrA fans who did not write anything already sided with you. Following your logic I can also argue that 5500 who have not said anything are actually supporting my opinion. I'm not gonna say that of course because that logic is dumb.
2. You are also a sad person since every post you write in response to me, you are trying as hard as to attack me personally rather than opinion. It is a disgraceful act in the fanclub where it is a place of people sharing their opinions and
support for IdrA.
My opinion/argument was that Stephano in EG is not a good thing for Greg. There was nothing against Greg or Greg's skill in this topic which clearly shows lack of intent of harming Greg. You however rather than to attack the opinion, as I said before trying to direct your attack personally at an IdrA fan rather than opinion.
It obviously shows your violation of "Personal attacks in this thread will draw a temp ban."
User was temp banned for this post.
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There are no positions. Stephano's not going to slot into a box that Idra used to fill. Stephano's not going to kick Idra out of his room and take his PC, relegating Greg to a laptop at a card table behind the Monster cooler.
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On August 27 2012 04:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are no positions. Stephano's not going to slot into a box that Idra used to fill. Stephano's not going to kick Idra out of his room and take his PC, relegating Greg to a laptop at a card table behind the Monster cooler.
But he will become the EG Top Zerg which is the exact position held by IdrA
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Dude, can you fucking shut up with calling everyone stupid? EVERYONE disagree with you, doesn't that mean pretty much everyone think YOU are the stupid one? If you are so correct you will gain absolutely nothing by trying to convince us you're right, so there is absolutely no fucking point in all of this
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Lokerek, come on man, just stop.
You said something silly and presumption which is against every interview with idra on stephano, every time they both been on stream and in the eg house.
It´s cool man, everyone is wrong time to time
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On August 27 2012 05:00 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are no positions. Stephano's not going to slot into a box that Idra used to fill. Stephano's not going to kick Idra out of his room and take his PC, relegating Greg to a laptop at a card table behind the Monster cooler. But he will become the EG Top Zerg which is the exact position held by IdrA
it's a made up position, created by you.
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I don't understand why having Stephano on the team is a bad thing. Is like saying that DeMuslim is not improving because he has thorzain and Puma to train and comment with.
And for the ones saying IdrA is not top player, he showed pretty nice and solid game this weekend. And even after a lot of games and a lot of pressure, he went into the groups and beat good players with solid games.
He is not the best zerg out there, but is comming back. Soon :D
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Enough with this arguing. Go root for First (considering that he's up against Taeja, there's tons of people ready to root against him...) so that Greggors can win some more glory. The LR is already discussing how Idra beat him earlier.
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I fucking hate Stephano but I hope he helps IdrA elevate his play. This MLG was a step in the right direction but I think he still has a long way to go.
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On August 27 2012 03:25 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:15 Khazroul wrote:
The main difference is SC2 isn't an 8v8 game where EG field their best 8 players. Stephano and IdrA can both play in the same tournament. This can only help IdrA by giving him a strong practice partner and someone to discuss strategy with. I agree with you that it is not a 8v8 game and both can play in the same tournament. There has to be however and psychological struggle. Since previously IdrA's spot as the best foreigner zerg was secure, he had leverage in salary discussion and exposure. We all are aware that Stephano is the main reason why Idra's 15k viewers now sank to 6-7k max even when he did commentary. And I am not talking about when Stephano streams - then it's like 3-4k viewers. Putting the same zerg in the team is a threat to IdrA since then EG has the leverage in discussing IdrA salary since he is not as marketable as Stephano. You create an internal struggle for the top Zerg position. As this fanclub shows, IdrA still has the most dedicated fanclub but sadly it is not everything that matters since a lot of revenue comes from TEAM fans not just IdrA and many more will come to support EG because of Stephano. Do you think IdrA is like "meh, I just lost the top position and 10k viewers to a guy who is on my team but I do not care." ? He knows he can't ask for as high salary as before so it is definitely uncomfortable for him.
Does IdrA realize that Stephano is preforming better than him? Yes, I think that does have an effect on him either positive or negative. But that is still the case with Stephano on the team or not on the team. Stephano has been welcomed into the lair, and they have practiced together, and since this has lead to improved play from IdrA it seems that he isn't discouraged by this. Also it seems to me that the EG players would know by now if they did get Stephano. It was pretty obvious that they knew when they got Thorzain. IdrA had a great performance right after finding out the "bad news?" You don't have any evidence to support your hypothesis, nor do you even know what team Stephano is truly going too... So why do you keep trying to shove this down our throats?
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On August 27 2012 05:00 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:59 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are no positions. Stephano's not going to slot into a box that Idra used to fill. Stephano's not going to kick Idra out of his room and take his PC, relegating Greg to a laptop at a card table behind the Monster cooler. But he will become the EG Top Zerg which is the exact position held by IdrA
That's not a real thing. You might as well say he'll steal Machine's Magical Rainbow Friendship Hat.
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the one thing we know for sure is that Greg is American ! He has red, white and blue flowing through his veins and the sound of freedom acompany's him as he walks.
Stephano is french. Obviously he does not hunt with bald eagles.
Therefore EG will not replace IdrA with Stephano
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On August 27 2012 05:30 CeriseCherries wrote:
the one thing we know for sure is that Greg is American ! He has red, white and blue flowing through his veins and the sound of freedom acompany's him as he walks.
Stephano is french. Obviously he does not hunt with bald eagles.
Therefore EG will not replace IdrA with Stephano
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On August 27 2012 03:11 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 02:53 Mr Showtime wrote:On August 27 2012 02:32 Lokerek wrote:On August 27 2012 01:24 CeriseCherries wrote:
its korea + egstephano Haha. Yeah, I also wonder how that EG Stephano will be announced since that tweet about "awesome salary" just blew it. Kind of makes me wonder how these two will practice together since in one interview, IdrA stated that he learns by watching him play but when he asked Stephano why he does this and that, he had no clue. Also sad news since IdrA will lose the prime EG Zerg spot. The current stream viewers + tournament results are clear. Personally I dislike the move by EG since it's a f... psychological blow to IdrA. Your guy goes into slump, shows some sign of faster recover on MLG and now you bring a "replacement" to the team. This is one of many posts you have made here that blow my mind with stupidity. What the fuck are you talking about? They're signing available talent. Nobody replaces anybody. Did puma replace demuslim? Did thorzain replace puma? No. They are additions to a team. I absolutely disagree with your statement and your word replacement and addition makes no sense. When signed to EG, Stephano will become to best zerg on the team and the "prime star" based on his results. IdrA was always considered the Foreigner Star of EG, being the best EG zerg. It's exactly the same as acquisition of Ronaldo and Benzema to Real Madrid (especially Ronaldo) Previously for many many years, Raul was the star of Real Madrid just like IdrA for EG. Then Real Madrid acquires new stars (SC2 equivalent of Stephano) Since Raul couldn't compete with the better players anymore he simply had to quit and move to Shalke. Was this "addition" like you would claim ? No, it was replacement and Raul lost his position as Team's Star. Under what logic you think Esports does not follow same rules and there is no replacement involved ? Although Demuslim was the only terran on the team at a signing of Puma, he never was a "top player" based on his results. He had some great games but never showed as much dominance compared to IdrA so there is no real replacement. Puma was signed so EG gains top terran but this addition did not hurt Demuslim. Thorzain is foreigner and Puma is Korean. Acquiring of Thorzain is not a replacement of Puma but strengthening of their foreigner lineup, especially Terran since Demuslim has not achieved much recently.
esports isn't a silly sport like a football, it's actually much better. money hasn't perverted the game as it has football. ;/
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Idra's win over First is looking better and better.
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