On August 11 2012 12:38 GinDo wrote: Idra is an amazing player. His mechanic are top notch.
He's just not playing the game right T_T. You can't keep throwing that many units.
Idra may not be my favorite player, but I know he works hard and practices alot, and it's sad to see him not win.
EDIT: And oh yeah, 100% agree on Idras comment Ingame. To bad DB doesn't.
As an old fan of his, I feel Idra is still stuck in the BW mentality that mechanics win games, period. His mechanics are really good, but his decision making is just terrible. How many times have you seen him max out on a great army and then just a-move it into a deathball to get absolutely slaughtered? It happens all the time, often followed by "Idra has left the game."
His awesome mechanics were the reason he was "King of the Beta" when macro was 95% of the game back then. But since that time, he just hasn't been able to scale as well as other players, who are all constantly improving, because he's so content claiming "imbalance!" even as we all watch ZvZ grand finals. I honestly wonder how he justifies his mentality when people like Stephano opening say Zerg is overpowered. Someone should seriously make a montage of "zerg engagements," half from Idra and the other half from Stephano. I almost guarentee that you would quite easily be able to tell the difference between who is who.
As much as I hate to admit it, I don't see Idra ever coming back out on top. He will continue to be that guy who tournies invite to play simply because so many people enjoy watching him lose, eagerly waiting for the bm he is so well known for.
I think this comment would be more fitting when it actually seemed to be the case. right now i think pretty much everything in this comment is bullshit, especially considering Idra's rate of improvement recently
Apparently you missed his most recent NASL4 qualifier appearance... unless by "bullshit" you simply mean inconvenient and counter to what you wish to be the case. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Then again, please be more specific about his recent rate of improvement. I don't follow him 100%, so I could be missing something. But from what I've seen, my comments are still quite fitting.
Why don't you take a look at some games from some months ago, hell look at results even. Then look at his most recent LAN games. you OBJECTIVELY see the difference. He is playing so much better now than he was some months ago, to deny that is just stupid to me. and yes, I did miss his nasl qualifier. The only point you made in the original comment that I agree on was the mechanical part, and that has been said and discussed sooo many times in the last year that I kinda just facepalm and get annoyed whenever I see it pop up again lol.
Besides that, your evaluation of his mentality seems extremely outdated to me(probably explained by the comment you made where you say you aren't following him that closely) You also try to say that his lack of improvement was because he said imba about everything. Again, this is extremely outdated. When was the last time Idra said something was imbalanced against Z when no other top zergs did? What, half a year? More?
''He will continue to be that guy who tournies invite to play simply because so many people enjoy watching him lose, eagerly waiting for the bm he is so well known for''
What the hell, you do realize most people enjoy seeing him winning right? The people that love seeing him lose are a vocal minority mostly filled with crap, and to me you kinda sound like one of them at some points
EDIT: You also touch on engagements; I do agree to some extent, but imo this is one of the points where his recent improvement really shines, as his engagement and army control has improved a lot as well.(not to say that he has top army control to rival Stephano or anything, of course. Just to highlight one of the points where it seems to me he improved)
I have to respond, hopefully for the last time, since you are trying to call me out directly.
On August 13 2012 07:00 Aocowns wrote: Besides that, your evaluation of his mentality seems extremely outdated to me(probably explained by the comment you made where you say you aren't following him that closely) You also try to say that his lack of improvement was because he said imba about everything. Again, this is extremely outdated. When was the last time Idra said something was imbalanced against Z when no other top zergs did? What, half a year? More?
You are correct. He hasn't been opening calling out imba since the most recent queen/overlord buff. This isn't because of some change in mentality however. If you'd have watched the nasl4 qualifier, you can tell he feels late game PvZ is "fucking retarded." His mentality hasn't changed and he will continue to find in-game excuses for his sub-par performance. That's just his personality.
On August 13 2012 07:00 Aocowns wrote: ...you do realize most people enjoy seeing him winning right? The people that love seeing him lose are a vocal minority mostly filled with crap, and to me you kinda sound like one of them at some points...
It is hard to enjoy watching him win when... well you know, he doesn't actually win. As to the idea that I sound like someone who likes watching him lose... I always cheer for foreigners, especially ones from the USA. I honestly would have considered myself an Idra fan boy back in the day, and I'd gladly return if he started playing like someone worth cheering for again. The point I had tried to make was that I don't see that ever happening.
Again, I'm not trying to bash on him. I was just voicing my opinion, which I now realize I really shouldn't have done in his fan club thread, since it turned out to be rather negative.
I think the common bad assumption that people make is: late game PvZ is "fucking retard" =/= it's an excuse for him losing ZvP it means he FINDS it extremely difficult and he knows that is which phrase he loses his ZvP. You can see he has tried to hammar it down with his new zvp style. He has played much better than prevous months, especially in ROG
jsut because someone actually saids what they want to when asked a balance question doesnt mean tehy blame balance for there play
IdrA has said numerous times that hes not at the level he should be yet and needs to practice hard to get back to where he should be, he has no illusions about his scenario and knows it happened because he didnt get enough practice time
even during HSC and that other tournament where he destroyed his first group he said right in the interview afterwards he didnt beat anyone that he was worth an achievment and people shouldnt get carried away
On August 13 2012 11:37 Whole wrote: I'm glad we have telepaths on TL.net because I'm personally incapable of judging someone's mentality based on a few in game comments.
You don't need to be a telepath.
And honestly, if you think his mentality only has a few in game comments to be judged off, you are being intentionally ignorant.
On August 13 2012 06:52 Flume wrote: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course. But keep that negative shit out of the fan clubs. Just let the fan clubs be places were the pros can come and enjoy interacting with their fans. If you want to rant or hate or whatthefuckever just do it somewhere else.
This is a good point, I apologize. I really didn't mean for it to be so negative. To be honest, I think part of me just felt betrayed last year when he started slumping and never really came out of it, which makes me a little bit bitter. I sincerely wish Idra the best of luck.
Hope you become an idra fan again and will take what you said back.
you don't say things like "o he has reached his peak" " he will never make a semi-finals" "he will never be code S, but he will win CSL" and "i wonder how his mind works" "look at stephano" " that's just his personality". why don't you add in a "suck shit" at the end.
you are insulting and acting as the 10,000 person here that claims they know all. maybe you indeed missed a lot of ups and downs and remember him as the one that is code s worthy and "top 5 zergs in the world". maybe you are raging inside cos you truly want to see good things.
just because watching that qualifier series can't seriously make you feel you should say this.. 3 more chances at NASL, only one person may decide his fate.
we have seen improvements and we definitely have hopes.
pretty much idra respects macro 100% and undervalues engagements. I have seen it countless times on his stream or his tournament games, just absolutely disregards engages, and that is one of the key differences from bw to sc2.
On August 11 2012 12:38 GinDo wrote: Idra is an amazing player. His mechanic are top notch.
He's just not playing the game right T_T. You can't keep throwing that many units.
Idra may not be my favorite player, but I know he works hard and practices alot, and it's sad to see him not win.
EDIT: And oh yeah, 100% agree on Idras comment Ingame. To bad DB doesn't.
As an old fan of his, I feel Idra is still stuck in the BW mentality that mechanics win games, period. His mechanics are really good, but his decision making is just terrible. How many times have you seen him max out on a great army and then just a-move it into a deathball to get absolutely slaughtered? It happens all the time, often followed by "Idra has left the game."
His awesome mechanics were the reason he was "King of the Beta" when macro was 95% of the game back then. But since that time, he just hasn't been able to scale as well as other players, who are all constantly improving, because he's so content claiming "imbalance!" even as we all watch ZvZ grand finals. I honestly wonder how he justifies his mentality when people like Stephano opening say Zerg is overpowered. Someone should seriously make a montage of "zerg engagements," half from Idra and the other half from Stephano. I almost guarentee that you would quite easily be able to tell the difference between who is who.
As much as I hate to admit it, I don't see Idra ever coming back out on top. He will continue to be that guy who tournies invite to play simply because so many people enjoy watching him lose, eagerly waiting for the bm he is so well known for.
I think this comment would be more fitting when it actually seemed to be the case. right now i think pretty much everything in this comment is bullshit, especially considering Idra's rate of improvement recently
Apparently you missed his most recent NASL4 qualifier appearance... unless by "bullshit" you simply mean inconvenient and counter to what you wish to be the case. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Then again, please be more specific about his recent rate of improvement. I don't follow him 100%, so I could be missing something. But from what I've seen, my comments are still quite fitting.
Why don't you take a look at some games from some months ago, hell look at results even. Then look at his most recent LAN games. you OBJECTIVELY see the difference. He is playing so much better now than he was some months ago, to deny that is just stupid to me. and yes, I did miss his nasl qualifier. The only point you made in the original comment that I agree on was the mechanical part, and that has been said and discussed sooo many times in the last year that I kinda just facepalm and get annoyed whenever I see it pop up again lol.
Besides that, your evaluation of his mentality seems extremely outdated to me(probably explained by the comment you made where you say you aren't following him that closely) You also try to say that his lack of improvement was because he said imba about everything. Again, this is extremely outdated. When was the last time Idra said something was imbalanced against Z when no other top zergs did? What, half a year? More?
''He will continue to be that guy who tournies invite to play simply because so many people enjoy watching him lose, eagerly waiting for the bm he is so well known for''
What the hell, you do realize most people enjoy seeing him winning right? The people that love seeing him lose are a vocal minority mostly filled with crap, and to me you kinda sound like one of them at some points
EDIT: You also touch on engagements; I do agree to some extent, but imo this is one of the points where his recent improvement really shines, as his engagement and army control has improved a lot as well.(not to say that he has top army control to rival Stephano or anything, of course. Just to highlight one of the points where it seems to me he improved)
I have to respond, hopefully for the last time, since you are trying to call me out directly.
On August 13 2012 07:00 Aocowns wrote: ...yes, I did miss his nasl qualifier...
Not much more to say on this point.
On August 13 2012 07:00 Aocowns wrote: Besides that, your evaluation of his mentality seems extremely outdated to me(probably explained by the comment you made where you say you aren't following him that closely) You also try to say that his lack of improvement was because he said imba about everything. Again, this is extremely outdated. When was the last time Idra said something was imbalanced against Z when no other top zergs did? What, half a year? More?
You are correct. He hasn't been opening calling out imba since the most recent queen/overlord buff. This isn't because of some change in mentality however. If you'd have watched the nasl4 qualifier, you can tell he feels late game PvZ is "fucking retarded." His mentality hasn't changed and he will continue to find in-game excuses for his sub-par performance. That's just his personality.
On August 13 2012 07:00 Aocowns wrote: ...you do realize most people enjoy seeing him winning right? The people that love seeing him lose are a vocal minority mostly filled with crap, and to me you kinda sound like one of them at some points...
It is hard to enjoy watching him win when... well you know, he doesn't actually win. As to the idea that I sound like someone who likes watching him lose... I always cheer for foreigners, especially ones from the USA. I honestly would have considered myself an Idra fan boy back in the day, and I'd gladly return if he started playing like someone worth cheering for again. The point I had tried to make was that I don't see that ever happening.
Again, I'm not trying to bash on him. I was just voicing my opinion, which I now realize I really shouldn't have done in his fan club thread, since it turned out to be rather negative.
I think the common bad assumption that people make is: late game PvZ is "fucking retard" =/= it's an excuse for him losing ZvP it means he FINDS it extremely difficult and he knows that is which phrase he loses his ZvP. You can see he has tried to hammar it down with his new zvp style. He has played much better than prevous months, especially in ROG
What? He played like shit, he lost every match except against a random kid who he by all right should dominate.
People are hyping up idra for winning two zvz´s against the same player who is basically just one of the lesser up and comers. It´s putting stupendous amount of hype on Idra, when he needs time. Can take years for therapy to start working.
I just can´t get how people can look at asus and go: Oh he improved a lot, he did way better at homestory. Asus was a terrible ordeal.
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