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On May 28 2012 04:53 KenChan wrote:
Seeeeee idra??? ZvP ez
Don't think that's his biggest issue right now...
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On May 28 2012 04:53 KenChan wrote:
Seeeeee idra??? ZvP ez
that wasn't really necessary now was it?
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dont be too negative guys, endure this period, dont give too much on his games and await his comeback 
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On May 28 2012 09:56 Fortii wrote:dont be too negative guys, endure this period, dont give too much on his games and await his comeback
Exactly. I hope he bounces back to his old self soon!
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I guess I've never officially posted to sign me up, so here it is .
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On May 28 2012 02:36 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:57 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 00:48 Aocowns wrote:On May 28 2012 00:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 27 2012 11:21 Robson13 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:18 bennyboy9201 wrote:
Agreed Aocowns but he also lost 0-2 vs. Demuslim today in the IPL quals too Demuslim's TvZ is really good, no shame in losing to him We can't keep giving excuses, who do we actually expect idra to beat after all of these excuses? Scrubs on the ladder? No, Idra should have been better and won that game, we can't go around saying ''Oh but that guy is X so it's okey'' Have a little more respect for idra's skill, he is more then well capable of winning over these players easily. There is no shame in losing to Ben's TvZ cus he is really good. Nothing wrong with that sentence at all. It's not okay that he lost, but it was expected and there's no shame in it, so stop twisting his words. We are not giving excuses right now, and of course Idra should've done better and won, but why are you accusing him of saying it's ok he lost, when that was not what he said? It really seems like he isn't, and until he has proved otherwise there is no point in saying to yourself that Idra is better than Demuslim. We didn't even see the games, and Demuslim is playing incredibly good atm, as compared to Idra who is playing bad Whatch the whole fanclub - It is just filled with ''Oh but he is better so it was okey'' Absolutely despicable and is spitting on Idra's skill. Oh it's fine Idra, don't you worry, we know you aren't as good as him and that he is really good vs your race - So it's fine, it's fine!! ...whut. for instance a very very good zerg like violet for instance lost 3-1 to MMA last time they played iirc. so people go "good run violet, its ok cause MMA = no. 1 TvZ" did anyone shit on anyone's skill? no its just simply that there's no shame in losing...
MMA is on a whole other level then catz, demuslim and all of the myriad of players idra has met in the past months. And everytime idra loses, instead of ''hope you improve - glhf next time'' you get ton after ton of posts either saying the game was stupid or well it's ok, he was better so no shame. Like what sort of caliber does idra have to meet til we stop saying that?
Idra has given everything for starcraft and has it as his life. You think it feels good for someone who comes 4th in a running lap to hear ''Oh well those before you were really good so there's no shame in it''
The fanclub mirrors idra's unhealthy mindset
1. Defeatist
2. Cynical - ''this is so stupid, that game was so stupid''
3. Non competitive ''I expected the other player because his XvZ is really good''
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Idra deserves a better fanclub T.T
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On May 28 2012 18:51 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 02:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 28 2012 00:57 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 00:48 Aocowns wrote:On May 28 2012 00:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 27 2012 11:21 Robson13 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:18 bennyboy9201 wrote:
Agreed Aocowns but he also lost 0-2 vs. Demuslim today in the IPL quals too Demuslim's TvZ is really good, no shame in losing to him We can't keep giving excuses, who do we actually expect idra to beat after all of these excuses? Scrubs on the ladder? No, Idra should have been better and won that game, we can't go around saying ''Oh but that guy is X so it's okey'' Have a little more respect for idra's skill, he is more then well capable of winning over these players easily. There is no shame in losing to Ben's TvZ cus he is really good. Nothing wrong with that sentence at all. It's not okay that he lost, but it was expected and there's no shame in it, so stop twisting his words. We are not giving excuses right now, and of course Idra should've done better and won, but why are you accusing him of saying it's ok he lost, when that was not what he said? It really seems like he isn't, and until he has proved otherwise there is no point in saying to yourself that Idra is better than Demuslim. We didn't even see the games, and Demuslim is playing incredibly good atm, as compared to Idra who is playing bad Whatch the whole fanclub - It is just filled with ''Oh but he is better so it was okey'' Absolutely despicable and is spitting on Idra's skill. Oh it's fine Idra, don't you worry, we know you aren't as good as him and that he is really good vs your race - So it's fine, it's fine!! ...whut. for instance a very very good zerg like violet for instance lost 3-1 to MMA last time they played iirc. so people go "good run violet, its ok cause MMA = no. 1 TvZ" did anyone shit on anyone's skill? no its just simply that there's no shame in losing... MMA is on a whole other level then catz, demuslim and all of the myriad of players idra has met in the past months. And everytime idra loses, instead of ''hope you improve - glhf next time'' you get ton after ton of posts either saying the game was stupid or well it's ok, he was better so no shame. Like what sort of caliber does idra have to meet til we stop saying that? Idra has given everything for starcraft and has it as his life. You think it feels good for someone who comes 4th in a running lap to hear ''Oh well those before you were really good so there's no shame in it'' The fanclub mirrors idra's unhealthy mindset 1. Defeatist 2. Cynical - ''this is so stupid, that game was so stupid'' 3. Non competitive ''I expected the other player because his XvZ is really good'' ___________ Idra deserves a better fanclub T.T
I'm sorry cheering someone you admire on instead of putting him down bothers you so much, but if it's people telling us how bad he is you're looking for, we have plenty of those here and in every other thread as well. Of course, if you don't like it, you don't have to post here.
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On May 28 2012 18:51 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 02:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 28 2012 00:57 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 00:48 Aocowns wrote:On May 28 2012 00:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 27 2012 11:21 Robson13 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:18 bennyboy9201 wrote:
Agreed Aocowns but he also lost 0-2 vs. Demuslim today in the IPL quals too Demuslim's TvZ is really good, no shame in losing to him We can't keep giving excuses, who do we actually expect idra to beat after all of these excuses? Scrubs on the ladder? No, Idra should have been better and won that game, we can't go around saying ''Oh but that guy is X so it's okey'' Have a little more respect for idra's skill, he is more then well capable of winning over these players easily. There is no shame in losing to Ben's TvZ cus he is really good. Nothing wrong with that sentence at all. It's not okay that he lost, but it was expected and there's no shame in it, so stop twisting his words. We are not giving excuses right now, and of course Idra should've done better and won, but why are you accusing him of saying it's ok he lost, when that was not what he said? It really seems like he isn't, and until he has proved otherwise there is no point in saying to yourself that Idra is better than Demuslim. We didn't even see the games, and Demuslim is playing incredibly good atm, as compared to Idra who is playing bad Whatch the whole fanclub - It is just filled with ''Oh but he is better so it was okey'' Absolutely despicable and is spitting on Idra's skill. Oh it's fine Idra, don't you worry, we know you aren't as good as him and that he is really good vs your race - So it's fine, it's fine!! ...whut. for instance a very very good zerg like violet for instance lost 3-1 to MMA last time they played iirc. so people go "good run violet, its ok cause MMA = no. 1 TvZ" did anyone shit on anyone's skill? no its just simply that there's no shame in losing... MMA is on a whole other level then catz, demuslim and all of the myriad of players idra has met in the past months. And everytime idra loses, instead of ''hope you improve - glhf next time'' you get ton after ton of posts either saying the game was stupid or well it's ok, he was better so no shame. Like what sort of caliber does idra have to meet til we stop saying that? Idra has given everything for starcraft and has it as his life. You think it feels good for someone who comes 4th in a running lap to hear ''Oh well those before you were really good so there's no shame in it'' The fanclub mirrors idra's unhealthy mindset 1. Defeatist 2. Cynical - ''this is so stupid, that game was so stupid'' 3. Non competitive ''I expected the other player because his XvZ is really good'' ___________ Idra deserves a better fanclub T.T
Deserves a better fanclub? I think you need to do some research on the term "fan". A fan will stay a fan even though his team/player isnt doing so well ... jumping ship to the best player at the moment is not a proper fan in my opinion.
And your list of unhealthy properties:
1 Defeatist: Wrong people here are actually quite positive despite alot of bad results from the player we like. Saying he will bounce back, or hoping he will bounce back is far from defeatist.
2 Cynical: Wrong again. Do you even know what cynical means? Being cynical often means only using cold, hard logic to reach a decision. I don't think we would see as much positivity in here if we were all that cynical.
3 Non competetive: What do you mean by this? We are fans, and I didnt know we were competing in anything? Is there some sport in being a fan? Picking the best player at the moment and gathering behind him?
Anyways. I will stop now. I am mucking up the thread
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Guys guys guys am I the only one who finds the EG icon makes my posts look waaaaaaaaaaay coooooler or is it juuuuuuust meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :o
So awesome.
Edit: That's weird it loaded on one page but not on this one. My post is completely without relevance now. Oops. :s
Edit 2: These will now show in the Starcraft 2 and Starcraft 2 Tournaments forums, as well as News.
Ah, so that is why. I think it would spice up the fan clubs really nicely as well, to put it scrumptiously.
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On May 28 2012 19:42 Ravnemesteren wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:51 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 02:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 28 2012 00:57 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 00:48 Aocowns wrote:On May 28 2012 00:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 27 2012 11:21 Robson13 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:18 bennyboy9201 wrote:
Agreed Aocowns but he also lost 0-2 vs. Demuslim today in the IPL quals too Demuslim's TvZ is really good, no shame in losing to him We can't keep giving excuses, who do we actually expect idra to beat after all of these excuses? Scrubs on the ladder? No, Idra should have been better and won that game, we can't go around saying ''Oh but that guy is X so it's okey'' Have a little more respect for idra's skill, he is more then well capable of winning over these players easily. There is no shame in losing to Ben's TvZ cus he is really good. Nothing wrong with that sentence at all. It's not okay that he lost, but it was expected and there's no shame in it, so stop twisting his words. We are not giving excuses right now, and of course Idra should've done better and won, but why are you accusing him of saying it's ok he lost, when that was not what he said? It really seems like he isn't, and until he has proved otherwise there is no point in saying to yourself that Idra is better than Demuslim. We didn't even see the games, and Demuslim is playing incredibly good atm, as compared to Idra who is playing bad Whatch the whole fanclub - It is just filled with ''Oh but he is better so it was okey'' Absolutely despicable and is spitting on Idra's skill. Oh it's fine Idra, don't you worry, we know you aren't as good as him and that he is really good vs your race - So it's fine, it's fine!! ...whut. for instance a very very good zerg like violet for instance lost 3-1 to MMA last time they played iirc. so people go "good run violet, its ok cause MMA = no. 1 TvZ" did anyone shit on anyone's skill? no its just simply that there's no shame in losing... MMA is on a whole other level then catz, demuslim and all of the myriad of players idra has met in the past months. And everytime idra loses, instead of ''hope you improve - glhf next time'' you get ton after ton of posts either saying the game was stupid or well it's ok, he was better so no shame. Like what sort of caliber does idra have to meet til we stop saying that? Idra has given everything for starcraft and has it as his life. You think it feels good for someone who comes 4th in a running lap to hear ''Oh well those before you were really good so there's no shame in it'' The fanclub mirrors idra's unhealthy mindset 1. Defeatist 2. Cynical - ''this is so stupid, that game was so stupid'' 3. Non competitive ''I expected the other player because his XvZ is really good'' ___________ Idra deserves a better fanclub T.T Deserves a better fanclub? I think you need to do some research on the term "fan". A fan will stay a fan even though his team/player isnt doing so well ... jumping ship to the best player at the moment is not a proper fan in my opinion. And your list of unhealthy properties: 1 Defeatist: Wrong people here are actually quite positive despite alot of bad results from the player we like. Saying he will bounce back, or hoping he will bounce back is far from defeatist. 2 Cynical: Wrong again. Do you even know what cynical means? Being cynical often means only using cold, hard logic to reach a decision. I don't think we would see as much positivity in here if we were all that cynical. 3 Non competetive: What do you mean by this? We are fans, and I didnt know we were competing in anything? Is there some sport in being a fan? Picking the best player at the moment and gathering behind him? Anyways. I will stop now. I am mucking up the thread
Completely missing the point - I am advocating for the fan that stays and respect the capabilities of the player, rather then downplaying constantly.
With pages of over 2000 of course there are people who aren't defeatist, but a lot of people are. Everytime Idra loses you see tons of people repeating the mantra that ''Stupid imba game'' or ''Player X was Y'' - going hand in hand
I am clear as the sun talking about how people are coldly downplaying idra's level of play to a lower level by not expecting him to beat a certain set of players, or that it wasn't a big surprise.
Idra is the best player, and deserves people who respect his abilities and that he is above most and we shouldn't downplay him and give excuses.
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Idra is not above anyone and the tought of it is stupid.
Idra is just another player that needs to work for his wins like everybody else, work more and complain less and he will be back to his former glory quickly.
I hope he does but it would be good for him to simple admit that right now he isn't even special, his play his lackluster!
Don't get me wrong, I follow him, always view his games etc.. but i'm sure the minute he accepts that he is just another player working for a win instead of the "i'm a macro monster, been in korea "x" time and i should dominate you because of "Y"" he will probably win more again!
I'm a big fan and i will remain so even if he doesn't win again.. but i really hope he does!
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On May 28 2012 23:45 shell wrote:
Idra is not above anyone and the tought of it is stupid.
Idra is just another player that needs to work for his wins like everybody else, work more and complain less and he will be back to his former glory quickly.
I hope he does but it would be good for him to simple admit that right now he isn't even special, his play his lackluster!
Don't get me wrong, I follow him, always view his games etc.. but i'm sure the minute he accepts that he is just another player working for a win instead of the "i'm a macro monster, been in korea "x" time and i should dominate you because of "Y"" he will probably win more again!
I'm a big fan and i will remain so even if he doesn't win again.. but i really hope he does!
With all due respect I'm pretty sure that Idra doesn't think that way. I'm also pretty sure that almost no one knows how Idra thinks and people *should* refrain from trying to analyze his brain.
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On May 28 2012 23:10 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 19:42 Ravnemesteren wrote:On May 28 2012 18:51 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 02:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 28 2012 00:57 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 28 2012 00:48 Aocowns wrote:On May 28 2012 00:43 Facultyadjutant wrote:On May 27 2012 11:21 Robson13 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:18 bennyboy9201 wrote:
Agreed Aocowns but he also lost 0-2 vs. Demuslim today in the IPL quals too Demuslim's TvZ is really good, no shame in losing to him We can't keep giving excuses, who do we actually expect idra to beat after all of these excuses? Scrubs on the ladder? No, Idra should have been better and won that game, we can't go around saying ''Oh but that guy is X so it's okey'' Have a little more respect for idra's skill, he is more then well capable of winning over these players easily. There is no shame in losing to Ben's TvZ cus he is really good. Nothing wrong with that sentence at all. It's not okay that he lost, but it was expected and there's no shame in it, so stop twisting his words. We are not giving excuses right now, and of course Idra should've done better and won, but why are you accusing him of saying it's ok he lost, when that was not what he said? It really seems like he isn't, and until he has proved otherwise there is no point in saying to yourself that Idra is better than Demuslim. We didn't even see the games, and Demuslim is playing incredibly good atm, as compared to Idra who is playing bad Whatch the whole fanclub - It is just filled with ''Oh but he is better so it was okey'' Absolutely despicable and is spitting on Idra's skill. Oh it's fine Idra, don't you worry, we know you aren't as good as him and that he is really good vs your race - So it's fine, it's fine!! ...whut. for instance a very very good zerg like violet for instance lost 3-1 to MMA last time they played iirc. so people go "good run violet, its ok cause MMA = no. 1 TvZ" did anyone shit on anyone's skill? no its just simply that there's no shame in losing... MMA is on a whole other level then catz, demuslim and all of the myriad of players idra has met in the past months. And everytime idra loses, instead of ''hope you improve - glhf next time'' you get ton after ton of posts either saying the game was stupid or well it's ok, he was better so no shame. Like what sort of caliber does idra have to meet til we stop saying that? Idra has given everything for starcraft and has it as his life. You think it feels good for someone who comes 4th in a running lap to hear ''Oh well those before you were really good so there's no shame in it'' The fanclub mirrors idra's unhealthy mindset 1. Defeatist 2. Cynical - ''this is so stupid, that game was so stupid'' 3. Non competitive ''I expected the other player because his XvZ is really good'' ___________ Idra deserves a better fanclub T.T Deserves a better fanclub? I think you need to do some research on the term "fan". A fan will stay a fan even though his team/player isnt doing so well ... jumping ship to the best player at the moment is not a proper fan in my opinion. And your list of unhealthy properties: 1 Defeatist: Wrong people here are actually quite positive despite alot of bad results from the player we like. Saying he will bounce back, or hoping he will bounce back is far from defeatist. 2 Cynical: Wrong again. Do you even know what cynical means? Being cynical often means only using cold, hard logic to reach a decision. I don't think we would see as much positivity in here if we were all that cynical. 3 Non competetive: What do you mean by this? We are fans, and I didnt know we were competing in anything? Is there some sport in being a fan? Picking the best player at the moment and gathering behind him? Anyways. I will stop now. I am mucking up the thread Completely missing the point - I am advocating for the fan that stays and respect the capabilities of the player, rather then downplaying constantly. With pages of over 2000 of course there are people who aren't defeatist, but a lot of people are. Everytime Idra loses you see tons of people repeating the mantra that ''Stupid imba game'' or ''Player X was Y'' - going hand in hand I am clear as the sun talking about how people are coldly downplaying idra's level of play to a lower level by not expecting him to beat a certain set of players, or that it wasn't a big surprise. Idra is the best player, and deserves people who respect his abilities and that he is above most and we shouldn't downplay him and give excuses.
wait back up, "IdrA is the best player" = simply not true, and even he will not assert that
no one is saying that losing to Catz was a should-have-been; demuslim is a different story. demuslim is a badass and there is no (nada you might say) reason why losing to demuslim is not ok. it seems like you are more ok with balance whine -_-
honestly there's just no reason why you come in and tell people they are shitty fans. i think idra fans have some problems, but not loving/respecting idra enough is not one of them
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The Gracken will be released.
Almost glad he isn't playing so hot since it removes all the fake fans who will always jump ship to whichever player is hot atm.
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On May 28 2012 23:58 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:45 shell wrote:
Idra is not above anyone and the tought of it is stupid.
Idra is just another player that needs to work for his wins like everybody else, work more and complain less and he will be back to his former glory quickly.
I hope he does but it would be good for him to simple admit that right now he isn't even special, his play his lackluster!
Don't get me wrong, I follow him, always view his games etc.. but i'm sure the minute he accepts that he is just another player working for a win instead of the "i'm a macro monster, been in korea "x" time and i should dominate you because of "Y"" he will probably win more again!
I'm a big fan and i will remain so even if he doesn't win again.. but i really hope he does! With all due respect I'm pretty sure that Idra doesn't think that way. I'm also pretty sure that almost no one knows how Idra thinks and people *should* refrain from trying to analyze his brain.
all i know is that the gracken likes devouring people
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I don't believe there is any wrong or right way to be a fan. Some fans like to post cheerful things and positive things no matter the situation, and sometimes it is overdone. But, some fans also like to post more analytical and critical things no matter the situation, and sometimes it is overdone. IMO, the balance of cheerfulness/analytical posts we have is pretty good right now. Perhaps it is leaning on the blissful side a little too much right now, but it isn't really a problem or significant enough to complain about anyway. It has been much more unbearable (on both sides of the spectrum) in the past.
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On May 29 2012 00:41 ThePlayer33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:58 Incognoto wrote:On May 28 2012 23:45 shell wrote:
Idra is not above anyone and the tought of it is stupid.
Idra is just another player that needs to work for his wins like everybody else, work more and complain less and he will be back to his former glory quickly.
I hope he does but it would be good for him to simple admit that right now he isn't even special, his play his lackluster!
Don't get me wrong, I follow him, always view his games etc.. but i'm sure the minute he accepts that he is just another player working for a win instead of the "i'm a macro monster, been in korea "x" time and i should dominate you because of "Y"" he will probably win more again!
I'm a big fan and i will remain so even if he doesn't win again.. but i really hope he does! With all due respect I'm pretty sure that Idra doesn't think that way. I'm also pretty sure that almost no one knows how Idra thinks and people *should* refrain from trying to analyze his brain. all i know is that the gracken likes devouring people
It is known.
Agree with Whole, Idra fans' average IQ is pretty good these days. Some Swedish Naniwa fans are a bit more rabid though. Like Whole saying smt nice in his fan club and getting flamed for having a gracken-sig. Quite hilarious.
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Seriously guys, at some point we have to stop with the excuses. The list of players Idra has "no shame" of losing to keeps getting longer and longer. Off the top of my head, according to his fans it's okay for Idra to lose to: Thorzain, Catz, Demuslim, Morrow, Dream, Select, Socke, Bigs, STX, Alicia, Hero..... I mean sure there are notable names, but if you get to the point where like 20 people, of which half are mediocre foreigners are expected to beat you then you've seriously moved down the totem pole. A year ago Idra was expected to lose to MVP, Nestea, MKP now Idra is expected to lose to Demuslim, Morrow, Thorzain. See the massive drop in expectation?
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On May 29 2012 02:45 TommyP wrote:
sign me up plox
Theres so many fans that we dont need a fanlist
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