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On April 09 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 16:42 Incognoto wrote:
I don't understand, why was there a second Bo5 after Squirtle beat Alive 3-2??
Edit: Ok I just figured out why. And I believe that double elimination is quite stupid. I think Idra's disgust is due to Alive's winning 2 games in the second Bo5 with cheesy builds. 2 Rax and cloaked banshee rush. It's a retarded way to lose and idra probably dislikes it just as hard even if he's not the one getting eliminated by it. Um no, idra did this I believe before or right after game 5 of the first bo5. Double elimination is fine imo, and having squartle have to win 2 bo5's only makes it fair for him dropping to the losers bracket in the first place.
My bad then, guess my speculation was off target.
I do see your point about the double elimination finals, though it must still be quite terrible to win a Bo5 and then just lose 3-0, 2 games to cheese at that.
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i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick
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On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick
Still seems like that penalizes someone for doing well. The WB finalist didn't ever get the chance to lose a whole series and still come back.
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On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick
You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set.
These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning.
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On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning.
being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set
ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions
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On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions
"Throw away"? Are you serious?
Everyone gets 2 chances. Period. Squirtle got 2 chances. Alive got 2 chances. That's all there is to it.
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On April 10 2012 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions "Throw away"? Are you serious? Everyone gets 2 chances. Period. Squirtle got 2 chances. Alive got 2 chances. That's all there is to it.
its extremely rare to get those 2 chances against the same person
its hard to really say the guy who won the WB is better then the LB when the WB has to win once while the LB has to win twice
like Squirtle VS alive he won the frist game and lsot the second so really there tied the only advantage the WB should get is having to play alot less games and being able to watch the games from there opponent and maybe start out 1-0 and get first map pick stuff like that
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On April 10 2012 04:51 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions "Throw away"? Are you serious? Everyone gets 2 chances. Period. Squirtle got 2 chances. Alive got 2 chances. That's all there is to it. its extremely rare to get those 2 chances against the same person its hard to really say the guy who won the WB is better then the LB when the WB has to win once while the LB has to win twice like Squirtle VS alive he won the frist game and lsot the second so really there tied the only advantage the WB should get is having to play alot less games and being able to watch the games from there opponent and maybe start out 1-0 and get first map pick stuff like that
It's not that rare. Squirtle got his second chance against Nestea, who had knocked him out of the first round. It happens and just as it was fair for Squirtle, it was fair for alive. /OT
Back to the Idra fan club - It was sad to see Idra get such a nasty group but I was glad that he showed up and played hard. I'm sure it won't be too long before we see Idra back in top top shape taking sets off of big Koreans again. I hope he keeps his head up and keeps working hard - that's all I can ask of Idra. Winning will come back soon.
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On April 10 2012 05:16 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:51 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions "Throw away"? Are you serious? Everyone gets 2 chances. Period. Squirtle got 2 chances. Alive got 2 chances. That's all there is to it. its extremely rare to get those 2 chances against the same person its hard to really say the guy who won the WB is better then the LB when the WB has to win once while the LB has to win twice like Squirtle VS alive he won the frist game and lsot the second so really there tied the only advantage the WB should get is having to play alot less games and being able to watch the games from there opponent and maybe start out 1-0 and get first map pick stuff like that It's not that rare. Squirtle got his second chance against Nestea, who had knocked him out of the first round. It happens and just as it was fair for Squirtle, it was fair for alive. /OT Back to the Idra fan club - It was sad to see Idra get such a nasty group but I was glad that he showed up and played hard. I'm sure it won't be too long before we see Idra back in top top shape taking sets off of big Koreans again. I hope he keeps his head up and keeps working hard - that's all I can ask of Idra. Winning will come back soon.
imo its only fair if the WB finalist beat whoever beat the LB finalist otherwise it could jsut be luck that the WB didnt meet someone good enough to beat him and jsut lucked his way to the finals then used his huge advantage to take the tournament
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Extended Series would have solved it all (and Nestea would have advanced, too).
On to Idra's FanClub:
He is in the same group as Cruncher in NASL, I just now saw this. LOL
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On April 10 2012 05:32 Jotoco wrote:
Extended Series would have solved it all (and Nestea would have advanced, too).
On to Idra's FanClub:
He is in the same group as Cruncher in NASL, I just now saw this. LOL
extended series is a terrible decision that should never exist ever
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On April 10 2012 05:32 Jotoco wrote:
Extended Series would have solved it all (and Nestea would have advanced, too).
On to Idra's FanClub:
He is in the same group as Cruncher in NASL, I just now saw this. LOL
I'm happy  Relatively easy win
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On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions
Why should the WB finalist be handicapped? He/she won every match and never dropped a set, the loser bracket lost a set and they are getting a second set. How is it fair the winner should suddenly lose the advantage he/she has had all tournament. I don't like it either but in all honesty its what is fairest.
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On April 10 2012 05:41 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions Why should the WB finalist be handicapped? He/she won every match and never dropped a set, the loser bracket lost a set and they are getting a second set. How is it fair the winner should suddenly lose the advantage he/she has had all tournament. I don't like it either but in all honesty its what is fairest.
because it isnt an advantage that was gained through skill
i wasnt really watching teh IPL much cause of work, but squirtle beat alive first then alive won but if they met earlier in the tournament then alive would ahve lost and dropped to the losers bracket and if squirtle made it to the finals then it would ahve been alive who had to win 2 games in a row and would ahve lost meaning squirtle would be champ
some people get easier brackets then others a player shouldnt be penalized because the had an unluckier bracket having to fight through the LB is handicap enough especialy if the WB gets first map choice, or gets to veto X amount of maps or starts out 1/2-0
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On April 10 2012 05:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 05:41 DreamChaser wrote:On April 10 2012 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On April 10 2012 02:09 Thrax wrote:On April 10 2012 00:20 Forikorder wrote:
i think having to play 2 Bo5s isnt fair, losing one set isnt that huge a deal that the winner brackets finalist should get such a huge advantage
i think it should be a Bo7 and give the winners bracket finalist start 1-0 and get first map pick You say that losing one set isn't that huge of a deal, but then you say it's a huge advantage to be allowed to lose a set. These are the standard rules for double elimination. Everybody is allowed to lose a set - even the winner bracket finalist. Many tournaments modify those rules, and instead give a single map advantage to the winner bracket finalist or even sometimes no advantage. I think it's all fine, as long as it's very clear from the beginning. being able to throw away a set then come back with no problem is a realyl good advantage for the WB finalist since they can take a really good look at there play try some crazy stuff and be completely worry free the entire set ya he should get some advantage for not dropping a set but there should never be a set that a player can throw away and there be no repercussions Why should the WB finalist be handicapped? He/she won every match and never dropped a set, the loser bracket lost a set and they are getting a second set. How is it fair the winner should suddenly lose the advantage he/she has had all tournament. I don't like it either but in all honesty its what is fairest. because it isnt an advantage that was gained through skill i wasnt really watching teh IPL much cause of work, but squirtle beat alive first then alive won but if they met earlier in the tournament then alive would ahve lost and dropped to the losers bracket and if squirtle made it to the finals then it would ahve been alive who had to win 2 games in a row and would ahve lost meaning squirtle would be champ some people get easier brackets then others a player shouldnt be penalized because the had an unluckier bracket having to fight through the LB is handicap enough especialy if the WB gets first map choice, or gets to veto X amount of maps or starts out 1/2-0
Theres to many possibilities to say "If Squirttle met Alive earlier Squirttle would of won" Just the day before MKP crushed Squirttle easily in the GSTL and i expected squirttle to lose yet again but he pulls the upset again and again taking down top notch Terrans.
some people get easier brackets then others a player shouldnt be penalized because the had an unluckier bracket having to fight through the LB is handicap enough
Easier brackets are complete random, theres no specially designated easy bracket, it just happens no one says "Lets give HuK the easy path" It just happens theres no controlling that aspect. Players can control their games and win or lose . A player should be penalized for losing a set, why should the player who played perfectly be penalized? If someone wants to win a championship difficult bracket or easy bracket they have to win everything because no matter what in the semi-finals of any tournament everyone is going to be good. So if someone got the easy bracket and didn't really belong there then they should lose.
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Why is this discussion in IdrA's fanclub? Seriously?
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On April 10 2012 06:45 KvltMan wrote:
Why is this discussion in IdrA's fanclub? Seriously?
How do you think IdrA has 2000+ pages?
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On April 10 2012 06:46 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:45 KvltMan wrote:
Why is this discussion in IdrA's fanclub? Seriously? How do you think IdrA has 2000+ pages?
Shh, it's a secret
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On April 10 2012 06:47 Incze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:46 DreamChaser wrote:On April 10 2012 06:45 KvltMan wrote:
Why is this discussion in IdrA's fanclub? Seriously? How do you think IdrA has 2000+ pages? Shh, it's a secret
IdrA's fanclub doubles as a live-report thread on life and everything in between duh.
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whatever happens in this fanclub, stays in this fanclub.
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