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Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along.
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at least puma is looking strong and jyp is still in
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On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along.
Agree - He got tilted hard by the zvp and he has traveled from korea to usa to europe in such a short timespan - 2012 schedule wise was horrible for him.
His play was much more stellar at mlg compared to this.
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in no offense to Mr. Fields i really think Alex Garfield needs to shell out the cash and get Greg a sports therapist. he just has a Severe mental block when it comes to his game, and sc2 in general
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I love idrA but he has mental issues that I doubt will ever be fixed  .
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It's not mental issues, my impression is that he simply seems to fundamentally dislike the game (not just the current state of it, but the game overall). He's hinted at it far too many times over the last 2 years himself, and you can basically see it from the way he tries to play it.
I imagine it's incredibly frustrating being in a situation where you have to practice and play it basically just for work and that causes an even bigger performance block.
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On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along.
I cant believe what im reading. There is no excuse for how bluntly average his play has been for months.
Do you not feel it is simply a case that we overestimate his abilities? It isnt fair on him that e expect so much. The game has progressed above his quarter from where im sitting and he possibly needs to think about reevaluating his game from scratch or prac differently.
When you watch top zergs, they look 4 levels above idra (even top EU zergs).
This is all based on what ive seen, i may be ignorant. Looking forward to seeing him dig deep, fight and regain his footing as a solid, potential successful zerg.
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On March 07 2012 22:53 Huckleuro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along. I cant believe what im reading. There is no excuse for how bluntly average his play has been for months. Do you not feel it is simply a case that we overestimate his abilities? It isnt fair on him that e expect so much. The game has progressed above his quarter from where im sitting and he possibly needs to think about reevaluating his game from scratch or prac differently. When you watch top zergs, they look 4 levels above idra (even top EU zergs). This is all based on what ive seen, i may be ignorant. Looking forward to seeing him dig deep, fight and regain his footing as a solid, potential successful zerg.
then you should go and look again. there are very good examples for great play by him in the past months.
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On March 07 2012 22:52 Talin wrote:
It's not mental issues, my impression is that he simply seems to fundamentally dislike the game (not just the current state of it, but the game overall). He's hinted at it far too many times over the last 2 years himself, and you can basically see it from the way he tries to play it.
I imagine it's incredibly frustrating being in a situation where you have to practice and play it basically just for work and that causes an even bigger performance block.
I'm sort of glad that someone who hates Starcraft 2 is not able to keep up with the world elite. What was qxc saying about Idras mindset? corrupted piece of sh*t?
I hope he finds some happiness in SC2 and therefore steps up his game or he just dissappears. This in-between state is just painfull.
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On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along.
So you preface your comments by saying you are not trying to excuse his results, then you list a number of possible reasons for his poor results:
1) He doesn't like poor accommodation.
2) He doesn't like his opponent's play style.
3) He doesn't like his map in the first game.
4) He titled after his first loss to Real.
These sound like excuses to me. I want to see Idra do well too, but coming up with a bunch of bullshit excuses isn't going to improve his play. It is a fact of pro gamer life that major LAN tournaments will require you to stay in less than ideal conditions. You cannot expect to get standard opponents all the time. You will play on maps you don't like. The thing that will help IdrA the most is to stop making these kind of excuses, copy what DRG is doing, because right now he has the luxury of a Zerg GSL champion leading the way.
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On March 07 2012 23:06 CaptainCharisma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along. So you preface your comments by saying you are not trying to excuse his results, then you list a number of possible reasons for his poor results: 1) He doesn't like poor accommodation. 2) He doesn't like his opponent's play style. 3) He doesn't like his map in the first game. 4) He titled after his first loss to Real. These sound like excuses to me. I want to see Idra do well too, but coming up with a bunch of bullshit excuses isn't going to improve his play. It is a fact of pro gamer life that major LAN tournaments will require you to stay in less than ideal conditions. You cannot expect to get standard opponents all the time. You will play on maps you don't like. The thing that will help IdrA the most is to stop making these kind of excuses, copy what DRG is doing, because right now he has the luxury of a Zerg GSL champion leading the way.
nothing you are going to write here will improve his play. stupid even to try...
i just want to add in personal interest: its easy to see how bad sc2 is if u compare stream viewer numbers.
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On March 07 2012 22:53 Huckleuro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along. I cant believe what im reading. There is no excuse for how bluntly average his play has been for months. Do you not feel it is simply a case that we overestimate his abilities? It isnt fair on him that e expect so much. The game has progressed above his quarter from where im sitting and he possibly needs to think about reevaluating his game from scratch or prac differently. When you watch top zergs, they look 4 levels above idra (even top EU zergs). This is all based on what ive seen, i may be ignorant. Looking forward to seeing him dig deep, fight and regain his footing as a solid, potential successful zerg.
Maybe you should read more carefully then. I specifically wrote that at IEM IdrA played bad no matter how you look at it and that I am merely trying to guess what leads him to give up on the games as fast as he does. IMO he looked far better at MLG Winter Arena, which although not a success on paper, he looked competitive in games against top competition. He did not look competitive here.
I think that rather than IdrA being overhyped, it's the fact that a lot of his weaknesses comes from his mental game, which people have a hard time evaluating. So you end up with people saying "If IdrA fixes his mental game he will do well" which is kind of like saying "GoOdy will win if he macro's properly" - most everyone is aware of IdrAs obvious weaknesses, especially his mental game and his ZvP but it's very hard to make an estimate which tries to gauge how IdrA's mindset is in advance.
My point in that post was more to highlight what I feel are overlooked factors in how IdrA tilts - I did not expect IdrA to do well (although I hoped) and I do not take it for granted that he will do well over the next little while. I do expect him to do well sometime within the next three months and I suspects we will see a run akin to the IEM china/ASUS ROG/MLG run he had from last year when that happens.
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He should take some time off and I know its far fetched, but he should consider a race switch IMO
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On March 07 2012 23:07 Fortii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:06 CaptainCharisma wrote:On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along. So you preface your comments by saying you are not trying to excuse his results, then you list a number of possible reasons for his poor results: 1) He doesn't like poor accommodation. 2) He doesn't like his opponent's play style. 3) He doesn't like his map in the first game. 4) He titled after his first loss to Real. These sound like excuses to me. I want to see Idra do well too, but coming up with a bunch of bullshit excuses isn't going to improve his play. It is a fact of pro gamer life that major LAN tournaments will require you to stay in less than ideal conditions. You cannot expect to get standard opponents all the time. You will play on maps you don't like. The thing that will help IdrA the most is to stop making these kind of excuses, copy what DRG is doing, because right now he has the luxury of a Zerg GSL champion leading the way. nothing you are going to write here will improve his play. stupid even to try... i just want to add in personal interest: its easy to see how bad sc2 is if u compare stream viewer numbers.
Obviously he isn't going to read this forum. I meant in the sense that Idra may use those excuses himself.
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Idra you were in Korea, the mecca of esports
i see ... 
Europeans are baaad ez
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every human in the world needs a break at some point ..
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On March 07 2012 23:06 CaptainCharisma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:12 Cerubellum wrote:
Before I go into what I think happened with IdrA here in IEM, let me just get one thing out of the way: I am not trying to excuse his results - they are about as bad as they could be at present, even if you look beyond the score and at the game play.
By now it should be public information that IEM has not exactly been top notch when it comes to accommodation and I think that's pretty key for IdrA, since he has stated before that he does not deal well with lack of sleep, bad food ect. From my point of view this has IdrA coming into the tournament in a bad shape. He goes into a ZvP against a not terribly intimidating but highly non-standard Protoss that was willing to take chances against him on Daybreak. This is a map which IdrA has expressed frustration with in the match up before and against a player he almost certainly doesn't want to lose to ever. Losing to real in this series and perhaps more importantly sensing that he is playing poorly has a severe negative effect on IdrA.
By the time the ReaL series is over I think we are seeing an IdrA that has more or less given up on the tournament and just want to get to the next one. Hopefully he gets off to a better start in the next tournament and I hope that at some point a tournament where he has a few more days to settle in comes along. So you preface your comments by saying you are not trying to excuse his results, then you list a number of possible reasons for his poor results: 1) He doesn't like poor accommodation. 2) He doesn't like his opponent's play style. 3) He doesn't like his map in the first game. 4) He titled after his first loss to Real. These sound like excuses to me. I want to see Idra do well too, but coming up with a bunch of bullshit excuses isn't going to improve his play. It is a fact of pro gamer life that major LAN tournaments will require you to stay in less than ideal conditions. You cannot expect to get standard opponents all the time. You will play on maps you don't like. The thing that will help IdrA the most is to stop making these kind of excuses, copy what DRG is doing, because right now he has the luxury of a Zerg GSL champion leading the way.
I don't view them as excuses because I view them as being part of what a professional SC2 player should be able to deal with. He should be able to deal with any map he is asked to play on, he should obviously not tilt, he should deal with any play style and he should deal better with accommodation. I was merely analyzing how he failed, not trying to point to outside sources.
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GG!!
supernova, you are going doooown :O 
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