EPTI've been a diehard Red Sox fan ever since I was born. It broke my heart to see them collapse in September after such a promising season last year. Same with the year before. I almost died when they traded away Nomar or when Boone and the Evil Empire shattered their hopes of winning their first World Series for nearly a century, but guess what? I didn't lose faith, nor did the rest of Sox nation for 86 years. 86 YEARS. And you guys can't wait a few months... Guess what, the Sox have won two championships in the last decade now, and, despite their front office depleted, I believe they're gonna bounce back and win another world series this year. Being a true fan is about not losing hope when times are down.
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PirateEd
United States61 Posts
I've been a diehard Red Sox fan ever since I was born. It broke my heart to see them collapse in September after such a promising season last year. Same with the year before. I almost died when they traded away Nomar or when Boone and the Evil Empire shattered their hopes of winning their first World Series for nearly a century, but guess what? I didn't lose faith, nor did the rest of Sox nation for 86 years. 86 YEARS. And you guys can't wait a few months... Guess what, the Sox have won two championships in the last decade now, and, despite their front office depleted, I believe they're gonna bounce back and win another world series this year. Being a true fan is about not losing hope when times are down. | ||
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MountainGoat
United States508 Posts
I am optimistic for the future however. IdrA's match history is active as ever with both a multitude of ladder games and a variety of custom games with practice partners from Slayer and his own EG teammates. His mind will be focused entirely on the game and ways to improve. I know that the man who was the greatest foreigner hope can return to former greatness again. The simple fact of the matter is that IdrA's play stagnated during the rough course of tournaments late in the year and while he was able to pull off some victories, the game beyond to move past him as new strategies evolved and overall execution of cheeses and other complicated strategies improved. However, now that he has returned to the land of Starcraft and his mind is 100% focused on his goal he can make things change and break out of his slump. | ||
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jere
United States121 Posts
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On February 06 2012 14:43 PirateEd wrote: So some Idra fans start showing their true colors... The whole "if Idra doesn't start improving by mid 2012 then..." argument is stupid. What do you guys think he's been trying to do in Korea for the past months. Sure last few times we've seen him he hasn't shown results, but that's playing against top level koreans, some of which including Nestea in a zvz, and top Korean protosses,which everyone knows is his weakness. I don't know about you guys, but I like Idra because he has a unique character, a good mindset towards practicing and just a nonluck based way of playing. Anyone who says if Idra doesn't win another tournament in the next few months then I'm gonna lose faith is not a true fan but rather a bandwagon fan who clinged on to his early results. I've been a diehard Red Sox fan ever since I was born. It broke my heart to see them collapse in September after such a promising season last year. Same with the year before. I almost died when they traded away Nomar or when Boone and the Evil Empire shattered their hopes of winning their first World Series for nearly a century, but guess what? I didn't lose faith, nor did the rest of Sox nation for 86 years. 86 YEARS. And you guys can't wait a few months... Guess what, the Sox have won two championships in the last decade now, and, despite their front office depleted, I believe they're gonna bounce back and win another world series this year. Being a true fan is about not losing hope when times are down. No one said he had to win a major tournament. he's barely beating anybody of note at all. Being a true fan is about supporting someone when they're down. Not telling yourself that they're gonna win when they're not. Sure you keep a positive attitude, but the whole "They are gonna be #1 this season JUST YOU WATCH" without any evidence to back it up isn't being supportive. That's just being stupid, which is probably part of the reason idra thinks a lot of his fans are stupid. Because he hates people who believe something for no good reason and who jump on bandwagons of pure rhetoric just because they like the team/person/clan/game/etc. The difference between idra and other players you might be a fan of is that idra constantly makes excuses when he fails, and like, IMO he's so much smarter than lets himself be because he just doesn't want to admit that his refusal to embrace variety in play could be his complete downfall in progaming in general. | ||
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
z= pack of zerglings; Z = pack of zealots; R = roach wall; _ = space; - = roach acid; 0.696 attack speed 1.2 attack speed 4 range 2 attack speed step 1) zealot pack goes for roach wall while you're following the zealots closely with your zerglings, but you don't engage yet. ___z____________Z_____________R step 2) Keeping your roaches on hold (hopefully in a well aligned wall, the ideal is to have a slight concave but takes more time to set up). You need to imagine where your roach range will hit the zealots and attack move with the zerglings - aiming to hit the zealots from behind when the first acid shot lands. ______________z_____Z________ R Step 3) Roach starts spewing acid when zealot pack approaches roach wall. You control the zerglings into attacking the zealots 1-2 times (zergling claws 5dmg 0.696 speed) and then back away immediately trying to not take any dmg, because you are expecting the (a good) protoss to go for the zerglings since they do more dps. By backing away after 1-2 attacks, you are buying precious time for your roaches to attack again, while taking no dmg with your zerglings. ________________________zZ-------R _______________________z_Z____R __________________________zZ----R __________________________z_Z_R Step 4) Once the zealot pack decides to go for the roaches finally, you can A) Let the roaches finish the zealots off without risking any zergling casualties. Use this option if 1) the zealots are near death 2) your front zerglings are 1 hit from death 3) you can burrow roaches B) if your zerglings are full hp you can start microing them back and forth again in order to help your roaches, but be prepared once again: the good toss will try to get your zerglings. Lastly, if your roaches become low hp/near death you can micro them individually to the back. If they are structured in a line it's a lot easier to see which roach is being attacked and if it will eventually get low hp. if the zealots follow the weakened roaches, trying to finish them off, it will buy precious time for the other roaches to shoot. All in all, the goal is to not lose units - most importantly zerglings. They are little glass cannons that need to be taken care of. | ||
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TheXenocide1
United States58 Posts
On February 06 2012 15:30 songohan wrote: + Show Spoiler + idra needs to take care of his zerglings. every one that dies is a loss to the zerg race. when you engage zealots let roaches tank and poke with zerglings then back away swiftly so they don't die. when roach gets low then you move it away. Here is how to deal with zealots when you have roach + zerglings (creep is advised, metabolic boost recommended) z= pack of zerglings; Z = pack of zealots; R = roach wall; _ = space; - = roach acid; 0.696 attack speed 1.2 attack speed 4 range 2 attack speed step 1) zealot pack goes for roach wall while you're following the zealots closely with your zerglings, but you don't engage yet. ___z____________Z_____________R step 2) Keeping your roaches on hold (hopefully in a well aligned wall, the ideal is to have a slight concave but takes more time to set up). You need to imagine where your roach range will hit the zealots and attack move with the zerglings - aiming to hit the zealots from behind when the first acid shot lands. ______________z_____Z________ R Step 3) Roach starts spewing acid when zealot pack approaches roach wall. You control the zerglings into attacking the zealots 1-2 times (zergling claws 5dmg 0.696 speed) and then back away immediately trying to not take any dmg, because you are expecting the (a good) protoss to go for the zerglings since they do more dps. By backing away after 1-2 attacks, you are buying precious time for your roaches to attack again, while taking no dmg with your zerglings. ________________________zZ-------R _______________________z_Z____R __________________________zZ----R __________________________z_Z_R Step 4) Once the zealot pack decides to go for the roaches finally, you can A) Let the roaches finish the zealots off without risking any zergling casualties. Use this option if 1) the zealots are near death 2) your front zerglings are 1 hit from death 3) you can burrow roaches B) if your zerglings are full hp you can start microing them back and forth again in order to help your roaches, but be prepared once again: the good toss will try to get your zerglings. Lastly, if your roaches become low hp/near death you can micro them individually to the back. If they are structured in a line it's a lot easier to see which roach is being attacked and if it will eventually get low hp. if the zealots follow the weakened roaches, trying to finish them off, it will buy precious time for the other roaches to shoot. All in all, the goal is to not lose units - most importantly zerglings. They are little glass cannons that need to be taken care of. Why are you posting this in a fan club? This has nothing to do with anything. Also sign me up | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 06 2012 14:43 PirateEd wrote: So some Idra fans start showing their true colors... The whole "if Idra doesn't start improving by mid 2012 then..." argument is stupid. What do you guys think he's been trying to do in Korea for the past months. Sure last few times we've seen him he hasn't shown results, but that's playing against top level koreans, some of which including Nestea in a zvz, and top Korean protosses,which everyone knows is his weakness. I don't know about you guys, but I like Idra because he has a unique character, a good mindset towards practicing and just a nonluck based way of playing. Anyone who says if Idra doesn't win another tournament in the next few months then I'm gonna lose faith is not a true fan but rather a bandwagon fan who clinged on to his early results. I've been a diehard Red Sox fan ever since I was born. It broke my heart to see them collapse in September after such a promising season last year. Same with the year before. I almost died when they traded away Nomar or when Boone and the Evil Empire shattered their hopes of winning their first World Series for nearly a century, but guess what? I didn't lose faith, nor did the rest of Sox nation for 86 years. 86 YEARS. And you guys can't wait a few months... Guess what, the Sox have won two championships in the last decade now, and, despite their front office depleted, I believe they're gonna bounce back and win another world series this year. Being a true fan is about not losing hope when times are down. I'd just like to disagree here. A true fan, in my opinion, isn't one who goes "YEAHH GOO WINN" and thinks super optimistically and so on. A true fan in my opinion is one that recognizes the flaws of the person they're a fan of and tries to find a way for them to improve, in order to go win those tournaments the optimistic person is merely hoping for. It is very clear to me that Idra just has a really bad mindset in general. It also is very clear that he's an extremely intelligent player. This is why it always pains me to watch him play sometimes, and to listen to what he says. I really think that if he changed his mindset he could be so much better. How would his gameplay evolve if, instead of complaining about coinflips and timings he thoroughly explored and tried to figure out any signs for the scouting? How about accepting cheesing as a reasonable strategy and planning a counterstrategy against it thoroughly instead of going "it's coinflip or imba" or whatever it happens to be? What if instead of complaining about Protoss 7gate he honed the timings with the drones and everything else so that he's able to survive the attack properly? In my opinion there's a ton of ways that he could explore in order to improve as a player. Now, these are just examples and they of course might be incorrect, as I'm not exactly a good player. However, the mindset should be to first accept an obstacle and then do everything in your power to overcome it, and not to dismiss it as being coinflippy or whatever else. It's kind of saddening to me as well, as I'm sure that Idra has the potential to be one of the very best zergs in the world, and he's my favorite personality in the progaming. His mindset though, in my opinion, really requires some work if he wants to tap onto all of that enormous potential. | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On February 06 2012 14:43 PirateEd wrote: So some Idra fans start showing their true colors... The whole "if Idra doesn't start improving by mid 2012 then..." argument is stupid. What do you guys think he's been trying to do in Korea for the past months. Sure last few times we've seen him he hasn't shown results, but that's playing against top level koreans, some of which including Nestea in a zvz, and top Korean protosses,which everyone knows is his weakness. I don't know about you guys, but I like Idra because he has a unique character, a good mindset towards practicing and just a nonluck based way of playing. Anyone who says if Idra doesn't win another tournament in the next few months then I'm gonna lose faith is not a true fan but rather a bandwagon fan who clinged on to his early results. I've been a diehard Red Sox fan ever since I was born. It broke my heart to see them collapse in September after such a promising season last year. Same with the year before. I almost died when they traded away Nomar or when Boone and the Evil Empire shattered their hopes of winning their first World Series for nearly a century, but guess what? I didn't lose faith, nor did the rest of Sox nation for 86 years. 86 YEARS. And you guys can't wait a few months... Guess what, the Sox have won two championships in the last decade now, and, despite their front office depleted, I believe they're gonna bounce back and win another world series this year. Being a true fan is about not losing hope when times are down. GJ reading only what you want to read? Try again. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On February 06 2012 15:57 Shikyo wrote: I'd just like to disagree here. A true fan, in my opinion, isn't one who goes "YEAHH GOO WINN" and thinks super optimistically and so on. A true fan in my opinion is one that recognizes the flaws of the person they're a fan of and tries to find a way for them to improve, in order to go win those tournaments the optimistic person is merely hoping for. Could you give me one example of a fan improving someone? Preferably through a message board and if at all possible with an "or else"? Just for the statistics you understand. I think you mean a fan should be critical as well and I agree. That said you won't find a person without flaws on this rock, those are part of it too. In the end though, you either are or you aren't. And either is fine, but there's no timer. | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:30 schimmetje wrote: Could you give me one example of a fan improving someone? Preferably through a message board and if at all possible with an "or else"? Just for the statistics you understand. I think you mean a fan should be critical as well and I agree. That said you won't find a person without flaws on this rock, those are part of it too. In the end though, you either are or you aren't. And either is fine, but there's no timer. So you don't think there should be a reason you're a fan of one thing but not another? | ||
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ETisME
12789 Posts
being a fan, you support that player no matter what, you are glad that he keeps on trying and playing. you are suppose to give support, not criticise him. He probably knows way more about what HE could have done to win the game than all of us combined. He isn't asking for advice, so stop saying "oh, he lost becuz x and y and if he has done z, he would have won" Fans need to understand there are wins and losses in the game, and stop judging him. Fans are not critics, Fans are Fans, we should feel for the one we admire. If you liked Idra for a reason, it's probably his macro that impressed you. So stop saying stuff like "he needs to learn to do more than just macro". | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:58 ETisME wrote: People should learn to distinguish what it means to like a player and be a fan of the player. being a fan, you support that player no matter what, you are glad that he keeps on trying and playing. you are suppose to give support, not criticise him. He probably knows way more about what HE could have done to win the game than all of us combined. He isn't asking for advice, so stop saying "oh, he lost becuz x and y and if he has done z, he would have won" Fans need to understand there are wins and losses in the game, and stop judging him. Fans are not critics, Fans are Fans, we should feel for the one we admire. If you liked Idra for a reason, it's probably his macro that impressed you. So stop saying stuff like "he needs to learn to do more than just macro". Fucking assumption of the night over here. If you're gonna be impressed by generic macro skill and nothing more, there are better places to look. I think most people like idra because of his commitment to what he considers a pure macro/luck independent style and what he considers an honest no-bullshit attitude. I dont know where you got your assumptions, but they're so way bonkers wrong. Don't think you just know what someone else is like just because you hope it wins you an internet disagreement. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:52 Eknoid4 wrote: So you don't think there should be a reason you're a fan of one thing but not another? If you mean liking one part and not the other, of course. I personally dislike the whole BM thing he drags along, I hate his stream chat, I was *really* disappointed when he just gave up vs MC a few MLGs ago, it saddens me when he loses to stupid shit.. but it's a package deal. Doesn't mean I don't want to see any of that improve. Doesn't mean I demand it either. | ||
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ETisME
12789 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:05 Eknoid4 wrote: Fucking assumption of the night over here. If you're gonna be impressed by generic macro skill and nothing more, there are better places to look. I think most people like idra because of his commitment to what he considers a pure macro/luck independent style and what he considers an honest no-bullshit attitude. I dont know where you got your assumptions, but they're so way bonkers wrong. Don't think you just know what someone else is like just because you hope it wins you an internet disagreement. Are you saying Idra's macro is generic? Go on stream for once, check how many people love his macro, go on tournament for once, see how casters hype up his macro, some korean progamers appreciate his macro style. He earned his respect there are tonnes of different ways to play macro, and idra's one gets the most attention because at his peak, it is one of the most solid one. A playstyle shows a lot on what's on the player's mind, what he is making his decision based upon. My point is that wtf are the fans telling him to change his style just because they somehow don't like the idra now and because he isn't winning as much as they want and claimed that "just macro doesn't work"? | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
No, I'm not. So there goes your entire post. I meant that there are people who have better macro than idra (it's not too crazy to say that idra isn't the #1 macro king of the entire world. even if he were 2nd best in the world, it would be true), so if your ONLY interest is macro, you would be a fan of someone else instead. My point was there's obviously more than just his skill that gets people interested (this is true of every player). | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
You can complain about stuff in addition to trying to find solutions, one does not exclude the other. "He has lots of potential he will be amazing in [x] months" is super tiresome since it's said about everyone, but I guess it's one of the trappings of fandom. Another one is the true fan vs bandwagon argument, which is also silly. Most people become fans of a player when he's doing well, if you delight in your masochism of being a fan of bad players then please don't bother the rest with your superiority complex. Nobody should have to defend being a fan or not a fan of anyone. If they like Idra when he's winning and get annoyed by him when he's losing, just let them be? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On February 06 2012 18:07 Pandemona wrote: Judge IdrA (if your judging him?) on his next few Foriegner tournaments in my opinion. He won ASUS ROG Winter...IEM China...Lets see what he does in his next 2/3 Foreigner tournaments. I beleive he will be more than capable of winning MLG winter or atleast another top 4 finish. MLG Winter will be as hard as a Code S and if he doesn't finish in the top 16 at the qualifiers he won't even be seeded and will be playing from the Open Bracket. The MLG circuit is going to be extremely unforgiving this year and if Idra's not in top form (even though he usually plays better at MLG's than elsewhere) it's going to be tough for him and any player. | ||
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