On February 06 2012 18:07 Pandemona wrote: Judge IdrA (if your judging him?) on his next few Foriegner tournaments in my opinion. He won ASUS ROG Winter...IEM China...Lets see what he does in his next 2/3 Foreigner tournaments. I beleive he will be more than capable of winning MLG winter or atleast another top 4 finish.
The problem is IdrA holds himself to a higher standard and we do as well. We all know he has the potential and talent to compete and beat the best players in the world. Anything less will be and should be a disappoint to him and his fans. This doesn't mean we won't support him, it just means we'd like to see him play to the best of his abilities.
On February 06 2012 18:07 Pandemona wrote: Judge IdrA (if your judging him?) on his next few Foriegner tournaments in my opinion. He won ASUS ROG Winter...IEM China...Lets see what he does in his next 2/3 Foreigner tournaments. I beleive he will be more than capable of winning MLG winter or atleast another top 4 finish.
MLG Winter will be as hard as a Code S and if he doesn't finish in the top 16 at the qualifiers he won't even be seeded and will be playing from the Open Bracket.
The MLG circuit is going to be extremely unforgiving this year and if Idra's not in top form (even though he usually plays better at MLG's than elsewhere) it's going to be tough for him and any player.
IdrA is already qualified for MLG Winter because of providence
Sign me up, even if I disagree with the belief that ZvP is plain unwinnable if the Protoss plays well (IMO, there aren't enough players of Z and P that are sufficiently skilled to actually give, via gameplay results, a fair assessment of this). Still an entertaining figure (personal taste in humor) and he can and does show strong play at times.
I guess to be fair, I have not seen Zerg players win that many ZvPs recently, but that's not a large sample size, partially because I've been lazy with catching up on tournaments, partially because I stop watching whenever BL/infestor comes out (and one of the players isn't already dead) because I can't think anything other than "this just looks like total bullshit" regardless of how the game turns out in the end, and also see parenthetical above.
MLG Winter as hard as code S? By current standards of code S, I'm inclined to disagree, but it will certainly be quite a high level tournament and the same will be true for all the MLG events, most likely.
people are retarded if they think that Idra does not have almost perfect drone timings against all-ins. It's more like sometimes his positioning is not very good.
He is, after all, top 100 GM in Korea, the land of the brutal cheeses. It would be impossible to reach that without VERY good defense against cheese.
I am just really excited to see Idra get thrown into his hectic tournament schedule. He needs to find some rhythm and confidence and the opening rounds for most foreign tournaments will allow him to do exactly that. To finish high in any of the up coming tournaments he will have to face Code S caliber opponents so hopefully he will have plenty of opportunities to show us good games.
I have not watched his games in the online team leagues so his current play and form from my perspective has come from his Code S/A games/stream and going off that I am so far not all that disappointed from his play
zzzz Idra loses, fanclub gets trolled, retarded discussion, QQ Idra lost to Hero(!!!!!!), revoking fancard if he doesn't improve by june and other random bullshit. Cool.
So when were these games played, anyways?
and by the way, I think you're forgetting who he loses to here... The only big official matches he has played was against Nestea, Lucky, Avenge, Taeja and now Hero. If you think about the way he lost most of them... Really not that disappointing( Of course, it was disappointing how fucking shitty the games were, but that was not because he played bad)
After seeing the sick baller agro play in ZvT, I'm back to believing he could take a game off of anyone again. If we were to see Idra vs Taeja now, and Idra gave his best I think the series would be different. He plays close to perfection mechanically in ZvP, and his ZvZ is fucking solid in most cases.
The reason he lost to hero was because he made the wrong unit and engaged poorly. He kept making roaches against blink stalkers, stalkers counter roaches, blink stalkers fucking rofl stomp roaches and Idra kept making pure roach and chase after stalkers. He shouldve attacked the initial wave, backed off waited for those 15 roaches and then have a count of 25 roaches and just defend and use his economy advantage. I also believe he shouldve had more lings and less gas to defend that push, too many roaches and no lings.
1+ roaches off 3 base vs blink stalker allin is fantastic, he just engaged poorly.
2+ stalkers 2 shot a ling - It is incredibly larva ineffecient. Hero executed that attack perfectly and idra lost due to positioning.
The game is not only about buildorder wins, micro and positioning even if people forget still part of the game.
Idra however played stellar as always macrowise, I love watching idras play, his scout timings, his macro decision making. People don't even know what they talk about when talking that he does the same thing all the time. He is just as greedy as many other zergs. If you ask people what is wrong with his style, they really can't point it out ingame.
will be fantastic to follow idra this year trough the highs and the lows
On February 06 2012 18:07 Pandemona wrote: Judge IdrA (if your judging him?) on his next few Foriegner tournaments in my opinion. He won ASUS ROG Winter...IEM China...Lets see what he does in his next 2/3 Foreigner tournaments. I beleive he will be more than capable of winning MLG winter or atleast another top 4 finish.
MLG Winter will be as hard as a Code S and if he doesn't finish in the top 16 at the qualifiers he won't even be seeded and will be playing from the Open Bracket.
The MLG circuit is going to be extremely unforgiving this year and if Idra's not in top form (even though he usually plays better at MLG's than elsewhere) it's going to be tough for him and any player.
IdrA is already qualified for MLG Winter because of providence
No he hasn't. He's qualified for the offline qualifier but if he doesn't finish top 16 there he needs to play through the open bracket.
On February 06 2012 23:50 Aocowns wrote: zzzz Idra loses, fanclub gets trolled, retarded discussion, QQ Idra lost to Hero(!!!!!!), revoking fancard if he doesn't improve by june and other random bullshit. Cool.
Now I know you know better. Read Wholes comment... Nobody legit is "revoking their fancard".
On February 06 2012 23:50 Aocowns wrote: zzzz Idra loses, fanclub gets trolled, retarded discussion, QQ Idra lost to Hero(!!!!!!), revoking fancard if he doesn't improve by june and other random bullshit. Cool.
Now I know you know better. Read Wholes comment... Nobody legit is "revoking their fancard".
I did just skim over, and I think there were some guys who gave him a deadline to win against someone
Really though, both me and Whole are die-hard fans, so there really had to be something really really(really) bad to make us stop following Idra
the reason i posted the strategy is to help idra. yesterday he lost to hero because of his poor engagements. even though he was 50 supply ahead and executed a perfect strategy and macrowise was flawless, hero managed to overpower him for 2 reasons. 1) the zergling losses to hero's early zealots. 2) he doesn't focus fire stalkers with his roaches.
to those saying to me "why do you post this stuff" I am just going to say that you are not a real fan. I am trying to point out idra's flaws and help him improve as a player. you on the other hand are just claiming you are his fan and yet you do nothing to help him out realistically. of course it's nice to have people who say that they like you and that they are your fans, but in the end the true fan is the one that tries to help with constructive reasoning.
Now I would just like to point out that I spent a lot of time explaining how to deal with zealots with roach ling composition on page 1702. If he reads it I'm sure he would improve his pvt.
On February 07 2012 05:22 songohan wrote: the reason i posted the strategy is to help idra. yesterday he lost to hero because of his poor engagements. even though he was 50 supply ahead and executed a perfect strategy and macrowise was flawless, hero managed to overpower him for 2 reasons. 1) the zergling losses to hero's early zealots. 2) he doesn't focus fire stalkers with his roaches.
to those saying to me "why do you post this stuff" I am just going to say that you are not a real fan. I am trying to point out idra's flaws and help him improve as a player. you on the other hand are just claiming you are his fan and yet you do nothing to help him out realistically. of course it's nice to have people who say that they like you and that they are your fans, but in the end the true fan is the one that tries to help with constructive reasoning.
Now I would just like to point out that I spent a lot of time explaining how to deal with zealots with roach ling composition on page 1702. If he reads it I'm sure he would improve his pvt.
Do you honestly think Idra is going to go to his fanclub thread for game advice?
On February 07 2012 05:22 songohan wrote: If he reads it I'm sure he would improve his pvt.
Quite a bold statement to say about one of the top pro gamers in the world xD
Btw, if I was looking right he was focus firing the stalkers properly and as much as Hero allowed him. 2+ range and blink just allows stalkers to be super cost effective if handled properly. There is nothing that infuriates me more than that. However I also felt like he missed some zerling towards the end of the game, the larva were running low I guess.
EPT
trough the highs and the lows
