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On January 19 2011 20:53 BrahCJ wrote:
As for the "T IS IMBA" trash..... Why have zergs won the GSL twice, while terran haven't won once.
By no means I'm defending the opinion that T is imba but the way you back your opinion is even more trash. In the previous 3 seasons of GSL, there were 8 terran gsl semi finalists (twice the number of zerg and protoss semi finalists combined), 3 terran finalists (equal to the number of zerg and protoss finalists combined) and I cease to count and compare the numbers of ro64 players. The reason why zergs won the GSL twice and terran haven't won once is because Terran finalists were MarineKingPrime and 2 noobs (well, not exactly; but at least comparing to zerg and protoss finalists, they look a couple of noobs.. compare the skill level of tsl_rain to fruitdealer, nestea or mc).
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On January 19 2011 22:14 magicbullet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 21:16 Az0r_au wrote:On January 19 2011 21:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For people talking about Metalopolis... Jinro wasn't all-in, and that is why it was so powerful. If he had been all-in, then IdrA stopping it means he has a legitimate shot to win the game. Instead, Jinro had almost nothing committed to that and could go down any tech path in the game he wanted at that point while IdrA was stuck on 1 base and nowhere to go. Also, the patrolling drone is more about stopping a probe from walling, an scv that has a marine right behind it is going to kill any patrolling drone in a second anyway.
Am I saying IdrA should have quit the game? No, but don't pretend like he was throwing away some good chance at a comeback or it shows some glaring mental weakness on his part. Finally someone who understands why terran is so fucking broken atm. Jinro invests 2scvs and a marine, IdrA has to pull 6+ drones and lings just to hold. herp derp balance User was warned for this post Why the heck is he being warned?
Admins don't like balance herp derp balance talk. This should be evident if you have visited this site for any longer period of time.
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On January 19 2011 21:57 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 21:14 Klive5ive wrote:On January 19 2011 20:53 BrahCJ wrote:
Why didn't Idra have a drone patrolling the base of the ramp?
He didn't expect Jinro to do it, so Jinro did it! Hate to use the word "metagame" but thats what it is.
Jinro wasn't doing a bunker push into the main. He was trying to force a sunken, maybe some roaches, and delay the expansion. It wasn't any form of all-in. The SCVs kept mining.
Idra made the DECISION to tap out. He showed a lack of fortitude. You can't really do that in the GSL.
I feel for Idra. I was rooting for him. Spawn positions really didn't help his cause, but they're the breaks.....
As for the "T IS IMBA" trash..... Why have zergs won the GSL twice, while terran haven't won once. Why did a zerg win the JTV invitational? Why did a Protoss win the SCReddit tourney?
I don't understand you haters.... That's well within the realms of statistical probability. It's not impossible for Zerg to win, just less likely. With some luck IdrA could've won today. If he gets long distances on Metal and then Jinro doesn't hear the commentators and expect the 6pool he could've won. But he needed to play well on even maps AND get lucky. CodeA Ro4: TTTT CodeS Ro8: TTTZ Gainward tourney finishers: TTTTTTTZ Race wars stats: TvZ 5-0, TvP 5-0 Next IEM tourney: TTTTTTTTTTTP Yeah that guy's "Z imba is nonsense" is actually the nonsense...at least when we play games on the current map pool.
And if I'm not mystaken
GSL1 ro4: TTTZ
GSL2 ro4 : TTTZ
GSL3 ro4: TTTP
So far in all ro4 three terrans at least have been present. Yeah Z is imba for sure.
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On January 19 2011 22:27 Junichi wrote:I guess this is the place to ask this question: Where is IdrA's signature from? The one about Artosis sounding like a phony tv weatherman... ? Thanks in advance! 
It's from this post.
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On January 19 2011 22:45 Bellygareth wrote:
GSL3 ro4: TTTP
TPPT actually.
Top 8's are more diverse though. Using top 4 as (im)balance evidence is like using Zerg's two-times victory, the smaller the sample the easier it is to be skewed. The very top is a combination of skill and luck of the draw.
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found this in someones images on another site.
rofl'd.
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You need to link to the actual image, not the page containing the image.
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On January 19 2011 21:02 Deekin[ wrote:
Good games today IdrA, pretty dumb ragequit on metalopolis though
ya i didn't get that
he knows how to defend that so i don't know why he just gave up
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
Idra keep fighting man, I wanna continue to support you. You have so many fans that dont care if you lost. You were in the top 8 and made it farther then Boxer! Keep it up!
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On January 19 2011 22:14 magicbullet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 21:16 Az0r_au wrote:On January 19 2011 21:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For people talking about Metalopolis... Jinro wasn't all-in, and that is why it was so powerful. If he had been all-in, then IdrA stopping it means he has a legitimate shot to win the game. Instead, Jinro had almost nothing committed to that and could go down any tech path in the game he wanted at that point while IdrA was stuck on 1 base and nowhere to go. Also, the patrolling drone is more about stopping a probe from walling, an scv that has a marine right behind it is going to kill any patrolling drone in a second anyway.
Am I saying IdrA should have quit the game? No, but don't pretend like he was throwing away some good chance at a comeback or it shows some glaring mental weakness on his part. Finally someone who understands why terran is so fucking broken atm. Jinro invests 2scvs and a marine, IdrA has to pull 6+ drones and lings just to hold. herp derp balance User was warned for this post Why the heck is he being warned?
I'm assuming
a) balance whine in a fan thread
b) saying 'herp derp balance' like a 14 year old 4chan user.
oh and c) speaking in absolutes, man. Can't you see it's obnoxious to come into a fan thread going 'OMG T so imba obviously'?
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On January 19 2011 23:03 Lotar wrote:TPPT actually.Top 8's are more diverse though. Using top 4 as (im)balance evidence is like using Zerg's two-times victory, the smaller the sample the easier it is to be skewed. The very top is a combination of skill and luck of the draw.
Oh I'm not implying anything by that really. Just that it's sad to see so many TvX. Thanks for the correction though. That makes it 11 T, 3 Z, 2 P in the last 4 gsl ro4.
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On January 19 2011 21:16 Az0r_au wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 21:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For people talking about Metalopolis... Jinro wasn't all-in, and that is why it was so powerful. If he had been all-in, then IdrA stopping it means he has a legitimate shot to win the game. Instead, Jinro had almost nothing committed to that and could go down any tech path in the game he wanted at that point while IdrA was stuck on 1 base and nowhere to go. Also, the patrolling drone is more about stopping a probe from walling, an scv that has a marine right behind it is going to kill any patrolling drone in a second anyway.
Am I saying IdrA should have quit the game? No, but don't pretend like he was throwing away some good chance at a comeback or it shows some glaring mental weakness on his part. Finally someone who understands why terran is so fucking broken atm. Jinro invests 2scvs and a marine, IdrA has to pull 6+ drones and lings just to hold. herp derp balance
Rofl, protoss can do that without investing anything, since they scout with a probe anyway. PLS BALANCE TOSS!!
Well what can I say, Idra seemed off-key during the last two matches, but Jinro DID try to annoy him. He bunker rushed and then he was tossing mules around in game 3.
However, the fact that Idra failed game 4 is totally his fault. He had the game, all he had to do was catch the marine. With 10+ units. And he couldn't.
And all those whiners going "oh he heard the commentators" as if he reacted to that in any way. Jinro could have easily walled in if that was the case.
I was really hoping for a 3-2 win by Idra, but again, he shows that he doesn't have the mentality for it. Deny it all you want, but this is sort-of the same thing that happened against Nony in the TSL, some people just never learn.
He could have had JB with more micro (or at least make it even), and he could have had game 4 with proper control. But he didn't step up.
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On January 19 2011 20:53 BrahCJ wrote:
Why didn't Idra have a drone patrolling the base of the ramp?
He didn't expect Jinro to do it, so Jinro did it! Hate to use the word "metagame" but thats what it is.
Jinro wasn't doing a bunker push into the main. He was trying to force a sunken, maybe some roaches, and delay the expansion. It wasn't any form of all-in. The SCVs kept mining.
Idra made the DECISION to tap out. He showed a lack of fortitude. You can't really do that in the GSL.
I feel for Idra. I was rooting for him. Spawn positions really didn't help his cause, but they're the breaks.....
As for the "T IS IMBA" trash..... Why have zergs won the GSL twice, while terran haven't won once. Why did a zerg win the JTV invitational? Why did a Protoss win the SCReddit tourney?
I don't understand you haters....
I wasnt even gona bunker rush vs pool first because I assumed idra would have a drone patroling, but then my 2nd scv went unnoticed (I was doing a soft bunker rush if he hatched first) so I was like "..... It would be retarded to not make 2 bunkers here", and so I did.
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Canada13389 Posts
I loved the games vs Jinro most of them were quite close for a while and i still find the way Idra plays to be amazing and mind numbingly efficient. Sometimes his decisions don't always pay off but with more balanced maps and positions I am sure that Idra will do even better.
Let us keep in mind that Idra has been in EVERY GSL and hass placed in every GSL and has made it to the round of 8 of the SEEDED GSL players. That is just CRAZY seriously, I dont think a lot of other players can really hold a candle to that. Considering also he isn't Korean and is playing in a different country with not That many people to discuss with and without a team house to practice at this is a sign of a good good player. With further growth and development of a EG house Idra will definitely be amazing. Even if he never wins a major competition in Korea or wins few, he's a solid balanced good player. The kind that makes it into the hall of fame of any sport or endeavor by just being good
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$hit happens and everyone has bad days.
Still an Idra fan!
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On January 20 2011 00:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:53 BrahCJ wrote:
Why didn't Idra have a drone patrolling the base of the ramp?
He didn't expect Jinro to do it, so Jinro did it! Hate to use the word "metagame" but thats what it is.
Jinro wasn't doing a bunker push into the main. He was trying to force a sunken, maybe some roaches, and delay the expansion. It wasn't any form of all-in. The SCVs kept mining.
Idra made the DECISION to tap out. He showed a lack of fortitude. You can't really do that in the GSL.
I feel for Idra. I was rooting for him. Spawn positions really didn't help his cause, but they're the breaks.....
As for the "T IS IMBA" trash..... Why have zergs won the GSL twice, while terran haven't won once. Why did a zerg win the JTV invitational? Why did a Protoss win the SCReddit tourney?
I don't understand you haters.... I wasnt even gona bunker rush vs pool first because I assumed idra would have a drone patroling, but then my 2nd scv went unnoticed (I was doing a soft bunker rush if he hatched first) so I was like "..... It would be retarded to not make 2 bunkers here", and so I did.
Yeah you're right, you would be stupid not to take the win.
IdrA would take an easy win if he saw one too, like he tried to do on Jungle Basin.
Even if you win that game with a siege push or something people would still say "close position Meta, free T win".
In sucks for you too that you're denied the chance to be "undisputed" foreigner champion.
You're both so good I'm sure you'll meet again in the future when the maps get changed a bit.
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On January 19 2011 22:18 ffz wrote:
Idra, I'm a fan and i stayed up til 5 am in the morning to watch u play. I know that doesn't give me the right to say jack shit but i just want to tell you how i feel right now and im sure u'll prob just skip right over this. I don't care. I'm pretty angry at the world right now.
It pisses me off so much when i hear Jinro thanking all of his teammates in Liquid and oGs practicing with him and then I remember how u say ur main practice is from the ladder. Please manner up and make some friends so you can have some practice partners. You need more than just ret and artosis to bounce ideas off of... and neither of them play terran.
God damn EG needs to hurry up and get an actual team in korea instead of just stranding idra all by himself.
I don't think it'd matter anyway he has no EG people to practice with. He faces someone from Liquid or Ogs (possibly) And Ret can't do anything to help IdrA. He faces someone from team XYZ Friend from team XYZ can't help him anymore. But yeah EG Need to get Incontrol and DeMuslim out there asap.
@Cubedin Jinro made a mistake that won him the game he canceled his marine accidently Idra had the Marine that should of been there dead.
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They should have a showmatch for fun.
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but have you guys seen his stream or ret's stream? when close positions T always 2rax bunker rush and its impossible to come back. The only way they can comeback is if the terran just missmicro and loses his marines to some drones or something, but come on, we are talking about korean ladder, not euro or na
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Don't complain about balance if you're still in gold, thanks.
You probably hate yourself now. I know you're gonna be bugged for people bringing up the same thing over and over again, but I think you shouldnt have left game number 2 that early, that was quite a premature decision. On ladder it's perfectly fine to do that, but hell, it's a tournament.
Game number 3; I think it was a smart decision to break down the rocks, but I feel like you should have left back a zergling to scout the marines coming much earlier. Maybe delay your spire and get more blings and roaches instead.
In game number 4 you just got unlucky to not kill his marine, I liked your decision to 6pool though.
Game number one was amazingly well played.. nuff said.
It kind of seems stupid that I'm trying to give you advice, because you're much better than me, but I feel very, very sad for you.
Well played, Jinro, I'm gonna cheer for you now till the next gsl 
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