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wase
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain138 Posts
November 06 2011 17:09 GMT
#28321
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.
GG
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
November 06 2011 17:19 GMT
#28322
TB: "The fans would have voted for a showmatch between Idra and Idra." - Definitely! (From the vod above)
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 06 2011 17:21 GMT
#28323
On November 07 2011 02:09 wase wrote:
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.


I highly doubt that is the case, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Why wouldn't he try his best when he can make $1000 for playing about 1hrs worth of games...I love Idra too but don't try and make excuses like that just because he lost to a top protoss.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 06 2011 18:01 GMT
#28324
On November 07 2011 02:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 02:09 wase wrote:
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.


I highly doubt that is the case, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Why wouldn't he try his best when he can make $1000 for playing about 1hrs worth of games...I love Idra too but don't try and make excuses like that just because he lost to a top protoss.

after you win a tournament you're riding an emotional high and all you want to do is go back to your hotel room or whatnot and celebrate/soak it in. My opinion- it's stupid to host showmatches like that after the tournament is over. It's anti-climactic.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
November 06 2011 18:04 GMT
#28325
On November 07 2011 03:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 02:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:09 wase wrote:
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.


I highly doubt that is the case, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Why wouldn't he try his best when he can make $1000 for playing about 1hrs worth of games...I love Idra too but don't try and make excuses like that just because he lost to a top protoss.

after you win a tournament you're riding an emotional high and all you want to do is go back to your hotel room or whatnot and celebrate/soak it in. My opinion- it's stupid to host showmatches like that after the tournament is over. It's anti-climactic.


I doubt it, I also think idra wouldn't make any excuses. He lost, that's all there is to it.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
November 06 2011 18:05 GMT
#28326
On November 07 2011 03:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 02:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:09 wase wrote:
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.


I highly doubt that is the case, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Why wouldn't he try his best when he can make $1000 for playing about 1hrs worth of games...I love Idra too but don't try and make excuses like that just because he lost to a top protoss.

after you win a tournament you're riding an emotional high and all you want to do is go back to your hotel room or whatnot and celebrate/soak it in. My opinion- it's stupid to host showmatches like that after the tournament is over. It's anti-climactic.

oh come on, I would think idra is better than this
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 06 2011 18:22 GMT
#28327
The NASL2 finals are shaping up to be pretty good. DeMuslim, Hero, Huk, Morrow, Strelok, Sen, Dimaga have already qualified. The others who have a decent chance of getting a top 2 in their group are Brat_OK, Rain, or Mana; Idra (if he has won his match against Jinro, he is already qualified; if not, Kiwikaki has a chance); Puma, Hasuobs, qxc, or TT1. And those who don't will end up in the playoffs with plenty of other good players: Sheth, White-Ra, Socke, Darkforce, Jinro, etc. Plus one top Korean player from the open qualifier.

Seems like a great way to finish the season after MLG and DreamHack. Frankly, I'd be somewhat disappointed if RoG is Idra's last tournament win this year. The MLG Championship, MLG Global Invitational, DreamHack, NASL, and perhaps WCG... That's a lot of tournaments.
UniversalMind
Profile Joined March 2011
United States326 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 18:37:30
November 06 2011 18:35 GMT
#28328
On November 06 2011 14:32 motbob wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2011 13:33 cavalier117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 12:00 infinity2k9 wrote:
On November 06 2011 02:42 hmunkey wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:49 chocopaw wrote:
TB put it right. The last couple of weeks showed that IdrA is the one single player that has a consistent claim on the foreign throne. All the Nerchios, Stephanos and MaNas might/will come and go, while there are reasons why IdrA was dominant in beta, was dominant at launch, is dominant now and will be dominant in a year.

He's also been at the top for over a year. Even when he wasn't dominant, he was one of the top 3 non-Koreans pretty much every tournament he entered.


How do you come to this conclusion? TLPD easily shows you are objectively wrong. Yes he was better than most in beta; it's not a surprise when he was in a Korean prohouse for 2 years prior to it. He was at the same level as say, MMA before the switch to SC2. So he came into the game with a big mechanics advantage over most foreigners. Then he noticeably struggled for a long time (and still is somewhat) as people seem to catch up. I mean just look at the giant block of L's on his page.. that isn't dominance. He's dropping series all the time to other foreigners.

Maybe it's somewhat the games volatility, everyone seems to be able to take bo3's from everyone. But it would be nice if we saw some real dominance like he mostly showed in his last year of BW play, in foreign tournaments. Only Ret/Nony even had a chance back then.


maybe you should look at everyone's TLPD, and you would see even more losses for them. of course IdrA isnt going to win everything, especially with as many tournaments as he plays, but considering Huk is like the only one with as many 1 place finishes in major tourneys/events this year.

im so freaking tired of reading all these event previews and random people in forums constantly hype people like Ret or Dimaga, or Kiwikaki and many others who never win anything. but say "oh, if he's on his game, he is definitely better than Idra", yet Idra ALWAYS does better and actually wins. but then they say "oh IdrA is slumping" or "herp derp, whitera is gonna beat IdrA for sure" as if anyone is actually on par with him for the most part.

dont even kid yourselves, the last two monthes have shown Idra is NOT slumping, and that there is only one foriegn zerg who could actually contend with him for best foreigner zerg, and sadly Sen hasnt been playing any tourneys lately. Ret/Nerchio/Dimaga/ or even stephano dont have shit on him results-wise at the moment.

+ Show Spoiler +
I might as well take this opportunity to write a brief history of Idra's results over the past year or so.


I don't know how you can make this claim at all. I think anyone who was watching Idra's results closely over the past year would see that he was slumping pretty hard for a long period of time.

By "slumping" I mean that Idra fell quite far from being able to claim that he was the best foreigner. He was "King of the Beta," quite literally, and showed such good results in Korea that he and Jinro were the clear top foreigners for a while. His MLG DC win and that fact that the stars sort of had to align to knock him out of MLG Dallas (Kulas vs Nazgul, close LT positions vs Select) reinforced that position.

The slump began shortly after he left Korea in February. His terrible showing in the IEM V World Championship (0-2 Ace, 2-3 Squirtle, both 2nd-rate Protosses) was a sign of things to come. Suddenly he was losing to random Protosses all over the place. 1-2 Cruncher. 0-2 Socke. 1-2 Minigun. 0-2 Kiwikaki. And 0-2 MC in the month of April, a result that would be repeated a lot. He lost his last match in MLG Dallas to TLO in games that showed that he still couldn't handle Terran cheese reliably.

At this point he won IPL 1 against purely NA players. He could claim to be the #1 American, since his competition in that regard was extremely weak, but Thorzain/Naniwa were considered to be the best foreigners, with Thorzain's victory in TSL and Naniwa's MLG Dallas win.

He continued to show disappointing results to his fans, going 0-2 in the highly anticipated Zenio rematch. That series, along with a 1-2 loss to Sen, largely destroyed what had been a perception that Idra's ZvZ was invincible. His cheese woes continued with a 1-4 loss to dde, a player who had not accomplished much before winning vs Idra and has not accomplished much since.

Columbus was interesting. In that tournament, it became obvious that Idra had some mental issues that needed to be worked out. Idra 2-0ed MC in the first series of the tournament, only to lose 0-4 in an extended series in games that were simply disgraceful. Columbus was also the setting for the infamous "early GG" game vs MMA.

After Columbus, things settled down a little bit. Idra went 0-2 against Boxer, but was showing OK results elsewhere. 0-2 losses to MC and Zenio solidified the idea that Idra simply couldn't win against Koreans. At Anaheim, he showed OK results, losing only to Boxer 0-2 (again) and Naniwa 1-2. He got pretty far in IPL 2, failed to qualify for Blizzcon, and bombed out of Raleigh (losing to Trimaster; this was probably the low point of the last 8 months).

Anyway, that was the setting in which Idra won IEM China and did really well in Orlando. It was such a massive shift in perception towards Idra when that happened. Before those two tournaments, Idra couldn't win against Koreans; his ZvP was god-awful; he couldn't defend cheese if his life depended on it; there was a list of about 5 foreigners for whom you could make a much better case for the title of "best foreigner"; he had unsolvable mental problems.

Those perceptions of Idra are now all in the past.


awesome post, you recapped a lot of time for me thanks!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
November 06 2011 18:38 GMT
#28329
On November 07 2011 03:22 xtfftc wrote:
The NASL2 finals are shaping up to be pretty good. DeMuslim, Hero, Huk, Morrow, Strelok, Sen, Dimaga have already qualified. The others who have a decent chance of getting a top 2 in their group are Brat_OK, Rain, or Mana; Idra (if he has won his match against Jinro, he is already qualified; if not, Kiwikaki has a chance); Puma, Hasuobs, qxc, or TT1. And those who don't will end up in the playoffs with plenty of other good players: Sheth, White-Ra, Socke, Darkforce, Jinro, etc. Plus one top Korean player from the open qualifier.

Seems like a great way to finish the season after MLG and DreamHack. Frankly, I'd be somewhat disappointed if RoG is Idra's last tournament win this year. The MLG Championship, MLG Global Invitational, DreamHack, NASL, and perhaps WCG... That's a lot of tournaments.

I would expect a top4 placement in several of these..
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
meowmeow-
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany291 Posts
November 06 2011 18:39 GMT
#28330
IdrA is on fire this month.

I'd love to golddigg-marry him.
Life is short, waste it wisely.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 06 2011 18:41 GMT
#28331
On November 07 2011 03:04 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 03:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:09 wase wrote:
Idra won the tournament. Showmatches didnt matter to him that much, so i dont think he tried his best.


I highly doubt that is the case, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Why wouldn't he try his best when he can make $1000 for playing about 1hrs worth of games...I love Idra too but don't try and make excuses like that just because he lost to a top protoss.

after you win a tournament you're riding an emotional high and all you want to do is go back to your hotel room or whatnot and celebrate/soak it in. My opinion- it's stupid to host showmatches like that after the tournament is over. It's anti-climactic.


I doubt it, I also think idra wouldn't make any excuses. He lost, that's all there is to it.

have you ever won a tournament?:D It feels good man.:D
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
November 06 2011 19:15 GMT
#28332
Whoo, IdrA wins tourney, IdrA owns HuK, and then White-Ra gets a bit of cash. I'm happy with how everything turned out.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
November 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#28333
God fucking damn it, they stilll haven't uploaded the VoDs for Idra vs Sheth from the MLG Invitational? Bullshit!
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
November 06 2011 21:03 GMT
#28334
It's probably the most exciting time to be an Idra fan since beta. With his recent success and him returning to Korea soon there's a lot to look forward to.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
November 06 2011 21:14 GMT
#28335
I can't wait to see Idra tear up Code A ^^
<3 Moonbattles
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
November 06 2011 21:18 GMT
#28336
On November 07 2011 06:14 Perseverance wrote:
I can't wait to see Idra tear up Code A ^^

He tore it up a month early, as he is directly seeded in to the Up/Down matches! :D
Get crunk
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 06 2011 21:50 GMT
#28337
On November 07 2011 06:18 KvltMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 06:14 Perseverance wrote:
I can't wait to see Idra tear up Code A ^^

He tore it up a month early, as he is directly seeded in to the Up/Down matches! :D

Well, if you tear up Code A, you have a chance on a direct seed into Code S. Without Up&Downs.
If you win first round of Code A, you freeroll for Code S and are at least in up&downs.
Being direct in Up/Downs is only a small advantage imo.
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
November 06 2011 22:51 GMT
#28338
Are the vods for the ASUS ROG finals being hosted anywhere else? The link given here is unbearably laggy
vroma
Profile Joined May 2011
Greece68 Posts
November 06 2011 23:01 GMT
#28339
On November 07 2011 06:50 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 06:18 KvltMan wrote:
On November 07 2011 06:14 Perseverance wrote:
I can't wait to see Idra tear up Code A ^^

He tore it up a month early, as he is directly seeded in to the Up/Down matches! :D

Well, if you tear up Code A, you have a chance on a direct seed into Code S. Without Up&Downs.
If you win first round of Code A, you freeroll for Code S and are at least in up&downs.
Being direct in Up/Downs is only a small advantage imo.




where did you find this info guys??

i am lookingany info about idra and the new korean plans in general if you can feed me with any intel i will be gratefull
tt-
vroma
Profile Joined May 2011
Greece68 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 23:06:39
November 06 2011 23:04 GMT
#28340
On November 07 2011 07:51 Juvant wrote:
Are the vods for the ASUS ROG finals being hosted anywhere else? The link given here is unbearably laggy




http://el.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit/

this is the only link m8 you can change the "el" to your own country but i dont think there will be any diferences


try this for all the vods http://el.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit/videos still change the "el" to "us"
tt-
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