EPTWhich implies that kirito's dual wielding buffed his damage enough that he's now a one-man raid party in terms of damage.
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Denmark14978 Posts
Which implies that kirito's dual wielding buffed his damage enough that he's now a one-man raid party in terms of damage. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 22 2018 08:11 Slaughter wrote: I have always been only talking about the 1st arc. His power level in the 1st arc isn't too far ahead of everyone else. Yes even 2 maning a floor boss is something that has happened in real life MMORPGs. Crazy shit happens and players break the game all the time (jusy talking abouy my history in wow). This is why Progressive ia better. They show more because there is room to actual develop things insyead od the haphazard 2 books and anime. Spoiler alert but Kirito isn't the best player in the 1st arc and he regularly goes against players who are on or abive his level. He wasn't even the star for a lot of the boss fights in Progressive. I just think if you are wanting to talk about something completely different than whats going on, you should at least say that you are talking about something different. At any rate, yes he is the strongest person in SAO. The only person "stronger" is the creator of the game who only "defeated" Kirito because he literally had to warp the game code to allow him to cheat against him. And I don't see why you keep bringing up Progressive since you are like the only person who even cares about that. Progressive is just a retcon/alternate story to SAO, anyway. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On February 22 2018 08:28 Sentenal wrote: I just think if you are wanting to talk about something completely different than whats going on, you should at least say that you are talking about something different. At any rate, yes he is the strongest person in SAO. The only person "stronger" is the creator of the game who only "defeated" Kirito because he literally had to warp the game code to allow him to cheat against him. And I don't see why you keep bringing up Progressive since you are like the only person who even cares about that. Progressive is just a retcon/alternate story to SAO, anyway. Asuna has more talent then him (even if in the original they only tokenly say it but never do anything with it). The creator stomped him in the duel. In reality he was kinda just fucking around in their 1st duel but got caught off guard and had to cheat. When he was being serious he stonped him. There is also more then 1 of the pk players who is on Kiritos level. Again the original did not expand on that. I also didnt change anything. A bunch of people complainrd about him being OP like Mahouka and I just made a comment about him being of a reasonable power level in the 1st arc. You then responded to me talking abput alo and ggo. My whole point is that he is no where near as OP in the 1st arc as other OP characters. Defeating a floor boss with mostly just Asuna is crazy but not omg he broke the game good. As for Unleashing: Yes it has happend in WoW (I remember in vanilla at least one occasion) but its happened before or similar things like certain tanks being insane with what they can pull off. But even then 1 instance isn't enough. They have boss fights after that and he doesn't do anything near that level. He has 1 feat that is really outrageous. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
I don't think it works like that. No where in the actual story does it ever imply that being true. In fact the original story actually says that the whole reason Kirito was the one to receive the Dual Blade was because he WAS magically better than everyone else. If Asuna was better, Asuna would have been assigned the skill. Mother's Rosario even reinforces that notion. "I-have-AIDS-so-plz-feel-sad-when-I-die"-chan was explcitly stated to be better and more talented than Kirito, and Kirito outright said if she had been in SAO, it would have been her who had gotten the Dual Blade skill. So the very fact that Kirito has the super special secret unique skill is proof enough as to who is was the strongest. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
you can have best reflexes but still not be best overall. | ||
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As for the dual wielding, all I remember was him saying he saw it there one day and only got to try it when he solo'd that one crazy boss. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On February 22 2018 09:01 Sentenal wrote: "Because the retcon side story that I like more said it, it must be true in the main story" I don't think it works like that. No where in the actual story does it ever imply that being true. In fact the original story actually says that the whole reason Kirito was the one to receive the Dual Blade was because he WAS magically better than everyone else. If Asuna was better, Asuna would have been assigned the skill. Mother's Rosario even reinforces that notion. "I-have-AIDS-so-plz-feel-sad-when-I-die"-chan was explcitly stated to be better and more talented than Kirito, and Kirito outright said if she had been in SAO, it would have been her who had gotten the Dual Blade skill. So the very fact that Kirito has the super special secret unique skill is proof enough as to who is was the strongest. What part are you refering to? Asuna? I am pretty sure once or twice Kirito said Asuna has greater potential then him in the game. I would not blame you if you don't remember because it was never brought up again and she was turned into a mascot but it was in the main series. Progressive just takes that seriously. The dual wield skill does not go to the best player, it goes to the person with the best reaction time, which does not mean the best. The creator was clearly stronger then Kirito when he fought for real. Kirito couldn't do shit because the creator knows all the combos and Kirito had very little outside sword skills to penetrate the defensive skills. Laughing Coffin also had some high skill players but again like Asuna just kinda never brought up because the 1st 2 vols tried to do waaaaay to much for such small amount of content. Its why my main criticism of the series is how it was managed in the editing side. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
As for when Kirito fought whats his name and got trounced, that was more because of in-game knowledge, right? Since Sword Skills are all preprogrammed, you couldn't out fight him with those. I dunno if he was better than Kirito in like raw gaming technique. I won't deny that Kirito's level of power in SAO isn't as atrocious as it is in later arcs, though. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On February 22 2018 10:05 Sentenal wrote: I know I just used Kirito saying AIDS-chan was stronger than him as evidence, but honestly speaking, its hard for me to ever take him seriously when hes talking about other people being better than he is. In Alicization hes always talking about how Eugeo is better than he is, which is a load of shit (and Eugeo is the exact same way, in reverse). As for when Kirito fought whats his name and got trounced, that was more because of in-game knowledge, right? Since Sword Skills are all preprogrammed, you couldn't out fight him with those. I dunno if he was better than Kirito in like raw gaming technique. I won't deny that Kirito's level of power in SAO isn't as atrocious as it is in later arcs, though. Yea it was because Kirito wasn't a master swordsman and just a gamer who was good at the game combos but not a master swordsman (something you brought up about being BS later which I agree, his skills shouldn't translate to in real life). So as the creator he knew all the combos and could block them then counter attack and Kirito's style was heavily offensive oriented and he didn't know enough to be able to block effectively. When it comes to Mother's Rosario I think that was supposed to be Asuna's moment to show what was previously stated (that she had greater potential as a player) but was squandered. They even had to throw in a line about Kirito "not being able to go fully all out when death wasn't on the line" lol. Honestly the series would have been 100% better if after winning the writing contest with the 1st novel he just started published Progressive as a proper LN series but as he has stated he was rather immature as a writer so he kept moving the story over and didn't revist the 1st arc until much later. | ||
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Latvia1946 Posts
Yes he used his new skill. No it wasn't an asspull. Gleam eyes was a metric to show the power of it. He was given the skill because the system determined that he had the fastest reactions in all of SAO, and the skill was so powerful because even as explained by Kayaba later on, the user who had that skill was supposed to be the person to face him on floor 100. Think of it in LoL's terms if it helps. The game at that point determined that that person is going to be the hypercarry for the team. On February 22 2018 09:01 Sentenal wrote: "Because the retcon side story that I like more said it, it must be true in the main story" I don't think it works like that. No where in the actual story does it ever imply that being true. In fact the original story actually says that the whole reason Kirito was the one to receive the Dual Blade was because he WAS magically better than everyone else. If Asuna was better, Asuna would have been assigned the skill. Mother's Rosario even reinforces that notion. "I-have-AIDS-so-plz-feel-sad-when-I-die"-chan was explcitly stated to be better and more talented than Kirito, and Kirito outright said if she had been in SAO, it would have been her who had gotten the Dual Blade skill. So the very fact that Kirito has the super special secret unique skill is proof enough as to who is was the strongest. --Except everything above is explained by the fact that you didn't read the novel properly or have lost memory of it, because the way you get dual blade is because you have the fastest reflexes in the game, not because you are "magically better". And as far as I remember, he also explicitly said it when saying why "aids chan" would have been the one to get the skill if she were in SAO. Also lol at the "always will be a korean kid better than you". In quite a lot of games Japan is at the very least as good as korea, don't put them in the same mortal realm as us non-asian folk. Look at osu for example, a game mostly built around reflexes and reaction and overall execution under pressure (sounds like SAO tbh.) Japan is just a big a powerhouse as Korea if not more. Same can be said about many other games I personally play. Honestly, if Japan took BW seriously, I wonder what the pro scene would be like. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
The viewer was never informed about its existance and then suddenly he pulls it out when he needs to deal big damage and defeats something that a single person should not be able to beat on their own under normal circumstances. It's literally a textbook example of an asspull. Giving the MC a random powerup that the viewer has no idea even could exist out of nowhere without any proper foreshadowing is pretty retarded. | ||
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Latvia1946 Posts
Why would you inform the viewer of it at a random time, thus lessening the impact of the scene? With your stance it honestly would be an asspull no matter when it would be mentioned. It's just absurd. Gleam eyes was not a big part of the story. Dual wielding was. Gleam eyes was a reason to show dual wielding to the user, not the other way around where dual wielding was used to find a way to kill Gleam eyes. since when is no foreshadowing = retarded? Jesus.. If these are your standards then you should go and write novels and bring in all the awards for yourself, I wouldn't read your stuff though. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
If individuals still want to discuss it then I suggest taking it to PM or another form of direct interaction. May save some hurt emotions in the long run. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
On February 22 2018 18:04 abuse wrote: It's storytelling. Why would you inform the viewer of it at a random time, thus lessening the impact of the scene? With your stance it honestly would be an asspull no matter when it would be mentioned. It's just absurd. Gleam eyes was not a big part of the story. Dual wielding was. Gleam eyes was a reason to show dual wielding to the user, not the other way around where dual wielding was used to find a way to kill Gleam eyes. since when is no foreshadowing = retarded? Any show or story that has a large focus on fights between characters absolutely needs to establish what is possible in that world and what isn't. The rules need to be clear to the viewer. If any character can, at any time, break the rules to their advantage without warning, it breaks any tension and immersion. That is objectively bad storytelling. It makes it obvious that the writers can change whatever they feel like it whenever they feel like it. If you want to change the rules halfway through, you need to give some form of explanation, exposition or any other kind of story element that informs the viewer ahead of time what has changed and possibly why. The latter is vital in understanding what other changes in the future can be expected. You wouldn't inform the viewer at a random time either. There is a difference between giving information to the viewer ahead of time and informing the viewer at random and I feel a bit silly to have to point this out. The only impact a scene like that would have on me is to turn me away from the show straight away as it shows me what I can expect going forward... and I really don't like bad storytelling. On February 22 2018 18:04 abuse wrote: Jesus.. If these are your standards then you should go and write novels and bring in all the awards for yourself, I wouldn't read your stuff though. Now this is just petty nonsense. If he were to write an entertaining and objectively well-told novel, why wouldn't you read it? Just because he argued against you on an internet forum? Come on... | ||
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Latvia1946 Posts
Every unique skill in SAO is deus ex machina. all of these ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/ztc7Y/3857b35127.jpg) are deus ex machina, purely because people do not mention that they have the skill during a cup of coffee in their inner monologue. | ||
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Latvia1946 Posts
On February 22 2018 18:45 Nezgar wrote: Any show or story that has a large focus on fights between characters absolutely needs to establish what is possible in that world and what isn't. The rules need to be clear to the viewer. If any character can, at any time, break the rules to their advantage without warning, it breaks any tension and immersion. That is objectively bad storytelling. It makes it obvious that the writers can change whatever they feel like it whenever they feel like it. If you want to change the rules halfway through, you need to give some form of explanation, exposition or any other kind of story element that informs the viewer ahead of time what has changed and possibly why. The latter is vital in understanding what other changes in the future can be expected. You wouldn't inform the viewer at a random time either. There is a difference between giving information to the viewer ahead of time and informing the viewer at random and I feel a bit silly to have to point this out. The only impact a scene like that would have on me is to turn me away from the show straight away as it shows me what I can expect going forward... and I really don't like bad storytelling. Now this is just petty nonsense. If he were to write an entertaining and objectively well-told novel, why wouldn't you read it? Just because he argued against you on an internet forum? Come on... no rules were broken though. It's just that at that point the viewer was informed that unique skills exist, and it was expanded upon later. The fact that people see it as rules being broken just means that they do not understand the mechanics of SAO and that's all it is. | ||
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