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Grettin
42416 Posts
On February 21 2018 22:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Every time I watch Gintama, I'm painfully made aware that it is ending soon. Doubt I'll ever find another anime this well made that hits all the buttons and feels. I really should catch up before the finale. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1946 Posts
On February 21 2018 22:37 Sentenal wrote: I read SAO before I watched it. And no, its shitty. Like, objectively shitty. The book makes a big deal about hard flying in ALO is. Kirito masters it in no time, and to a scale that blows away his sister, who was among the most talented. Why can he do this? Because he is MMO Jesus. He gets into a battle against a bunch of other players using the latest and greatest strategies, and he beats them down just because (and also transforms into the image of some SAO Boss, just because). Then he gets into a 1v1 against the strongest player in the game, who also had the best equipment in the game, and again, he just beats him down again, because he is MMO Jesus. Then he goes down to the Underworld and sees a bunch of God Beast Monsters, and is like "you know, I wanna tame one of these!" and then he does, because MMO Jesus. Need I go on? That arc was one of the most disgusting parade of Mary-sueness I've experienced in a long time. again - why is that shitty? Why is being MMO Jesus a bad thing? I for one enjoy reading that too. I don't see how that makes it "objectively shitty", if anything it's the definition of "subjective". | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9066 Posts
On February 21 2018 23:44 Grettin wrote: I really should catch up before the finale. Where did you leave off? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 22 2018 00:13 Sentenal wrote: You don't see anything wrong with some poorly characterized hero being the greatest ever at everything he ever does, just because hes himself? There is no reason behind it, no real challenges to offset it to create tension and drama. As bad as GGO was, he actually had challenges to overcome, and there was actual tension to the plot because of it. ALO was like reading fan-fiction. yo, I still maintain that if you consider Magic-Jesus to be a parady, that it makes it a pretty damn amazing series. OPM also did the same (although in that case intentionally). So I can certainly see situations in which OP MC for the sake of being OP can be good or at least entertaining. I would agree that SAO is worse in that regard than both OPM (obviously) and Magic-Jesus (as that's just so over the top that it becomes hilarious) but wo cares. I watch shitty harem rom coms because I find them entertaining so what's wrong with shitty power fantasies. Maybe if you're making an argument that that kind of series / genre dominates anime so much lately that it annoys people who aren't into that simply because there's so much of it. That perspective I can understand. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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Grettin
42416 Posts
I've watched few episodes of the sixth season. Slip Arc, i guess? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 22 2018 02:11 Unleashing wrote: You can't compare series like OPM that are comedy focused to stories that try to get their viewers to take their gary stu MCs serious like SAO and Mahouka. And yes, mahouka tries to be serious, it's not a parody. I never bothered with Magic Batman Jesus, but this is true. SAO is not a parody or comedy, so does not get the pass that OPM gets | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
OPM isn't getting a pass or anything. We like it because it was funny and entertaining, simple as that. If the same can be said about SAO or Mahouka who cares if it's supposed to be a comedy or not. I agree that SAO is easily the worst in that regard but I can see some people liking it that way (as that's true for me in at least the case of Mahouka, not SAO though) or just plain liking it for what it is. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
OPM is a parody that intentionally exaggerates tropes of the genre to comedic effect. It still has the fundamentals of writing and storytelling down well even if it does this. SAO is not intentionally exaggerating tropes but instead attempting to do said tropes without having any good fundamentals to execute them well. This just leads to a badly done story with poor pacing, terrible characters and inconsistent world. They are two completely fundamentally different stories. Mahouka falls in the SAO region of trying to do things but failing at them. It's not intentionally being poor, it just is poor because either the writer/editors aren't good enough or that they are merely focusing story for another purpose sacrificing things along the way. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
First half of SAO had lots of potential imo but it squandered it as it went by. I like my OP character and I had no problems with Kirito being a monster in SAO but I agree that giving more of an explanation and background as to why he's so good will help quite a bit. Is it mostly from his beta days? Is he some prodigy? Why him and not player x? Advancing the story logically too (they took on an AI as a child and had a mini love story in a game of death lol) would've helped meh. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I think the underlying issue is that when people in here say "it's good" they just most of the times don't mean it in a critical, analytical sense "good". When someone gets in here and says he thinks SAO is good I don't read that as him saying he actually thinks there's good characters, worldbuilding and whatever else. I just read it as he enjoyed the series unless he goes on to specify it more in detail. And that's perfectly fine for whatever reason that might have been. There's really no point in just shitting on something for being "clearly bad" when all we had was someone get in here and say he liked SAO and thought it was good. That's the kind of shit that makes people run away from this thread. I don't like SAO either but I can see why people might enjoy it (in my case the upcomming one because damn voice trap of the century) and with all the trash we're (I am) watching I don't see the point in being so gung-ho about the correct usage of the word "good" just to get the weekly SAO bash out. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
But with the newer guys in here it's a bit too much imo. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
My post was mostly saying that if we had to look at it objectively, I can agree to the arguments that SAO really lacked on a lot of fronts and failed to live up to the expectations set out by the author imo. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2570 Posts
I do have to say that "expectations set out by SAO author" is one of the most hilarious things I've heard in a while though. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On February 22 2018 04:59 Kaal wrote: The SAO horse is so dead its already decomposed and blown away, jesus christ. I do have to say that "expectations set out by SAO author" is one of the most hilarious things I've heard in a while though. AW is one of more enjoyable series for me, flying pig be damned | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On February 22 2018 04:34 Toadesstern wrote: I think the underlying issue is that when people in here say "it's good" they just most of the times don't mean it in a critical, analytical sense "good". When someone gets in here and says he thinks SAO is good I don't read that as him saying he actually thinks there's good characters, worldbuilding and whatever else. I just read it as he enjoyed the series unless he goes on to specify it more in detail. And that's perfectly fine for whatever reason that might have been. Of course that's perfectly fine, nobody here went "Wow holy shit you have shit taste for enjoying SAO" different posters were simply posting their opinions on the series whether they be positive or negative. They just happen to be very negative in general as far as SAO goes. On February 22 2018 04:34 Toadesstern wrote:There's really no point in just shitting on something for being "clearly bad" when all we had was someone get in here and say he liked SAO and thought it was good. That's the kind of shit that makes people run away from this thread. I don't like SAO either but I can see why people might enjoy it (in my case the upcomming one because damn voice trap of the century) and with all the trash we're (I am) watching I don't see the point in being so gung-ho about the correct usage of the word "good" just to get the weekly SAO bash out. The same poster you talk about called other parts of SAO shit himself though, if he's calling stuff shit why should he run away because people call parts he liked shit? As long as it doesn't devolve into personal attacks i really don't see the problem. | ||
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