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On June 08 2015 12:41 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Also, if you think my point is strictly about "intellectual" or "high brow" shit you're still missing the point.
I think I understood your point, but apparently you want me to doubt, or something.
On June 08 2015 12:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 12:39 ZenithM wrote:
I don't think I missed your point. You're technically right, but the depth of anime is so shallow that it doesn't really matter if it's similar or not. How much anime have you actually watched? lol
Here you go, have fun with my anime illiteracy http://myanimelist.net/shared.php?u1=Zergneedsfood&u2=ZenithM.
On June 08 2015 12:47 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 12:34 ZenithM wrote:
I agree with Slaughter. Anime doesn't have the same complexity depth as reading.
Edit: I wasn't going to pull out this argument, but seeing as you already answered above as I was writing it, I might as well post it: you wouldn't make the argument for porn, which is an entertainment medium all the same. Anime is probably closer to porn than to reading. I've yet to watch an anime that greatly stimulated me on an intellectual level. Clearly, you have never watched LOGH [...]
Haha well touché. That's actually a good argument in itself, so I'll bow to that and admit defeat.
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For films I'd say Anime > Films on average.
By a decent sized margin. I could probably enjoy 10 animes this season alone more than I'd enjoy watching The Avengers. Maybe not more than I'd enjoy watching Kingsmen, because it knew what it was and pulled it off alright.
And I think it's hard for any medium to actually intellectually stimulate anyone so much as a book can because a book isn't constrained by time and it can fully explore every thought it wants to in great detail.
Why is anime shallow? Compared to what medium other than books?
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I fully admit to the fact that I am a complete noob when it comes to anime/manga, which is why I am probably wrong the most when posting in this thread~
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Lets say znf was right that some people's opinions are better than others. If you have two people with equal attentiveness but different fundamentals and perspectives on the same thing, who is better? lets say one sees a work as a 10 and the other sees it as a 1 for sake of hypothetical.
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I also think it just depends on what you're looking for. I'd trust the opinion of people who liked what I liked more than the opinion of people who liked what I didn't watch and disliked what I liked.
It doesn't raise my anime litteracy level, but if it comes down to that I'll be ready to admit that I'm not really seeking anime enlightenment.
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On June 08 2015 12:56 IceHism wrote:
Lets say znf was right that some people's opinions are better than others. If you have two people with equal attentiveness but different fundamentals and perspectives on the same thing, who is better? lets say one sees a work as a 10 and the other sees it as a 1 for sake of hypothetical.
A good Latin phrase to learn: de gustibus non est disputandum
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Poll: Did you google that?I'm znf (10) 63% yes (5) 31% no (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: Did you google that? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): I'm znf
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Well my opinion on anime was shit 15 years ago.
I'd of told you DBZ was best ever and then Naruto was best ever and then Bleach was real fucking good!!! Which I thought it was until like episode 60 smth. But that's just more experience building. I was a lvl 1 anime noob and now I'm not because I've watched well over 100 anime. The more you read/watch the more you learn to appreciate higher quality work. I think this definitely works with books, music, movies, television, and so on. There's an author R.A. Salvatore who I thought was the tits when I was younger. Maybe his first 9 books about Drizzt were pretty solid. But he got progressively worse imo or nostalgia glasses I haven't bothered to figure out which.
And that doesn't mean you jerk yourself off when something intelligent comes around and you appreciate it. But it just gives you broader perspective on what is good and what isn't.
A lot of that has simply to do with how much you've watched / how much time you have to spare to watch things as well.
Take harem which is often chastised or flamed or w/e. A harem I'd enjoy is one where character interaction isn't dull and repetitive. The last one I watched / flamed was Nyaruko. Even though I loved Nyaruko herself and the character Cthuko had potential (that was later squandered sadly) the rest of the cast was complete dog shit. However with Hayate which kept to its comedy roots I'd enjoy the shit out of that because the characters aren't flat out awful and have their own genuine charm to them.
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I've looked a bit more at that MAL link I added a few posts earlier. It's funny because just looking at it, it's obvious which of ZNF or me is the more "anime scholar" by my view. It's almost comical. Every high rating of mine on shows that I would qualify as "easy pleasure" he rated like 4 points lower, and every bad rating I put on shows that are a bit more artsy or dialogue-intensive (stuff like Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei), he rated 4 points higher. If I wanted to make a fake anime scholar account, I'd actually go for something like this.
Well, consider me convinced :D
On June 08 2015 13:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Poll: Did you google that?I'm znf (10) 63% yes (5) 31% no (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: Did you google that? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): I'm znf
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1382680
Fuck me, ZNF must be feeling like he's repeating himself :D.
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On June 08 2015 12:48 ZenithM wrote:
I think I understood your point, but apparently you want me to doubt, or something.
All you're saying is that anime is closer to porn levels of shallow, which leads me to believe one of two things, that you either don't watch any challenging anime or you don't think when you watch anime.
My point has to do with the latter. Whether you think anime or whatever is high brow is honestly irrelevant, which is why I keep wondering why you're bringing it up. My point is that watching things and readings things are skills, and so when people complain about shit taste or good taste or bad taste or people not respecting other people's opinions on "entertainment," they seem to ignore that not everybody is endowed with the equal ability to watch things and perceive things as well as others, and certain people's opinions are far more experienced and weighted. Naturally, the response is "it's anime, who the fuck cares?" but at the end of the day I could take that argument reductio ad absurdum and say "it's literature, who the fuck cares?" "It's high culture arthouse films, who the fuck cares?"
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On June 08 2015 13:07 SK.Testie wrote:
~snip~
My first post in this thread was embarrassing as fuck. Kaze occasionally reminds everyone in this thread of it. *shudder*
On June 08 2015 13:10 ZenithM wrote:
I've looked a bit more at that MAL link I added a few posts earlier. It's funny because just looking at it, it's obvious which of ZNF or me is the more "anime scholar" by my view. It's almost comical. Every high rating of mine on shows that I would qualify as "easy pleasure" he rated like 4 points lower, and every bad rating I put on shows that are a bit more artsy or dialogue-intensive (stuff like Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei), he rated 4 points higher. If I wanted to make a fake anime scholar account, I'd actually go for something like this.
Well, consider me convinced :D
Oh please, I gave shit like K-On an 8, not to mention an anime like Katanagatari is so much more dialogue heavy than Tatami Galaxy, lol?
On June 08 2015 13:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Poll: Did you google that?I'm znf (10) 63% yes (5) 31% no (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: Did you google that? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): I'm znf
fucking ils lol
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That post was more of a joke post than anything, I obviously can't categorize dismissively your taste like that.
All you're saying is that anime is closer to porn levels of shallow, which leads me to believe one of two things, that you either don't watch any challenging anime or you don't think when you watch anime.
I know I don't really think when I watch, that's for sure. But maybe it's because I didn't watch challenging stuff yet.
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ZNF's taste is an anomaly imo going through his list of shared anime on mal. The consistency seems he enjoys good dialogue. The other thing is nothing is rated a 9-10. What a hard fucker to please. I think he watches anime swilling wine in one hand puffing a cigar in the other with a full monacle and top hat combination while never feeling the RED HOT BLOOD OF SHOUNEN COURSE THROUGH HIS VEINS or the 'Y U DO DIS TO ME' tears of emotion.
Perhaps he's just dead inside.
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On June 08 2015 13:24 SK.Testie wrote:
ZNF's taste is an anomaly imo going through his list of shared anime on mal. The consistency seems he enjoys good dialogue. The other thing is nothing is rated a 9-10. What a hard fucker to please. I think he watches anime swilling wine in one hand puffing a cigar in the other with a full monacle and top hat combination while never feeling the RED HOT BLOOD OF SHOUNEN COURSE THROUGH HIS VEINS or the 'Y U DO DIS TO ME' tears of emotion.
Perhaps he's just dead inside.
I have 5 anime rated a 9/10.
Texhnolyze
Mushishi
Hourou Musuko
Tatami Galaxy
Kuuchuu Buranko
I also like FMAB and I enjoy feels stuff every once in a while. 5 Centimeters per second is probably one of my favorite anime movies. I will confess to drinking alcohol while watching some anime though.
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On June 08 2015 13:24 SK.Testie wrote:
ZNF's taste is an anomaly imo going through his list of shared anime on mal. The consistency seems he enjoys good dialogue. The other thing is nothing is rated a 9-10. What a hard fucker to please. I think he watches anime swilling wine in one hand puffing a cigar in the other with a full monacle and top hat combination while never feeling the RED HOT BLOOD OF SHOUNEN COURSE THROUGH HIS VEINS or the 'Y U DO DIS TO ME' tears of emotion.
Perhaps he's just dead inside.
Haha, that's a better summary than what I tried, that's for sure.
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On June 08 2015 13:07 SK.Testie wrote:
Well my opinion on anime was shit 15 years ago.
I'd of told you DBZ was best ever and then Naruto was best ever and then Bleach was real fucking good!!! Which I thought it was until like episode 60 smth. But that's just more experience building. I was a lvl 1 anime noob and now I'm not because I've watched well over 100 anime. The more you read/watch the more you learn to appreciate higher quality work. I think this definitely works with books, music, movies, television, and so on. There's an author R.A. Salvatore who I thought was the tits when I was younger. Maybe his first 9 books about Drizzt were pretty solid. But he got progressively worse imo or nostalgia glasses I haven't bothered to figure out which.
its interesting that you bring Salvatore up. I've always wanted to read some of his work but never know where to start. Do you think that the quality in his books lessens over time because of you yourself gaining a broader perspective on what is good writing or because he seems to just breath books out every 3 days?
There's a good chance his writing lessened over time b/c he was just trying to force as much out as possible....but it could also be that you've grown yourself and tastes have changed etc.
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Also, since I mentioned Hourou Musuko, obligatory that anime is really fucking good and criminally underrated. I have not finished watching all the SoL/School dramas that I want to watch, but that is by far the best. It's really really good.
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Lol R.A. Salvatore. I remember when I was young I had a friend who loved his stuff and I liked another fantasy world (I think it was Dragonlance) and both of us would always just try to argue what series was better while refusing to actually read the other series.
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On June 08 2015 13:29 Slaughter wrote:
Lol R.A. Salvatore. I remember when I was young I had a friend who loved his stuff and I liked another fantasy world (I think it was Dragonlance) and both of us would always just try to argue what series was better while refusing to actually read the other series.
obviously dragonlance is better. 
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OH WAIT. Actually, I thought Akagi was pretty challenging. Even past the stage of learning to play japanese mahjong, even after having played online and all that shit, you still pick up new little awesome things at each rewatch. I very much liked that. And the soundtrack. And the narrator. So good.
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