EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 4992
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Dismay
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 10:00 Kipsate wrote: csheep u gave it an 8 wot what's wrong with that? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 03:00 IceHism wrote: Or maybe people should accept that not all the works we like or want to like are flawless or ambitious and that's okay... Horriblesubs had a nice rant about "shit taste" on their website. You're not a bad person cause you like SAO. You can still be receptive to criticism about it even if you like it anyways. Though I must say. When people back their criticism with shitty reasoning... nothing annoys me more My problem with people talking about taste is that there's an assumption that everyone's opinions are equal, when that really isn't true at all. | ||
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ZenithM
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On June 08 2015 11:59 Zergneedsfood wrote: My problem with people talking about taste is that there's an assumption that everyone's opinions are equal, when that really isn't true at all. I can make a guess, but what do you mean by that? Generally when people say that about other subjects, they're referring to the fact that there exists people that are more competent and experienced in that particular subject, and so we value their opinion more. But I mean, we're talking about anime, it's not like there is some kind of anime scholars out there. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 12:08 ZenithM wrote: I can make a guess, but what do you mean by that? Generally when people say that about other subjects, they're referring to the fact that there exists people that are more competent and experienced in that particular subject, and so we value their opinion more. But I mean, we're talking about anime, it's not like there is some kind of anime scholars out there. I mean first of all, there are certainly people who area more competent and experienced in anime than other people (understanding the history of the medium/industry as well as knowledge about animation in general, among other things). But even more importantly, there's this stupid misconception that people are all equally good at reading and watching things, when in reality those two things are skills that people develop over time. The reason why certain things are seen as more "high brow" or "difficult" is because it requires a certain level of skill as a reader or perceptiveness as a viewer to understand and not everybody is equally good at those things. People take things like reading for granted, but there are people who are better readers than others, but there's this implicit idea that people think otherwise....which is just bullshit. | ||
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Slaughter
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 12:22 Slaughter wrote: Well how much does that really apply to anime though? The medium isn't exactly highly complex, sure there are always exceptions but anime in general is not a high brow medium as it is now. Meh~ Probably applies more often than people think. And you could say the same thing about a lot of other mediums. "Movies in general is not a high brow medium as it is now" etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. | ||
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Slaughter
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On June 08 2015 12:24 Zergneedsfood wrote: Meh~ Probably applies more often than people think. And you could say the same thing about a lot of other mediums. "Movies in general is not a high brow medium as it is now" etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Well of course, but the anime industry seems in many ways constrained from what I have heard of it due to financial limitations in budgets. Its a less financially secure industry which always leads to restrictions in growth and experimentation. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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Besides, it wasn't always like this, and various anime through the years have demonstrated the pretty cool shit you can do with a limited/stringent budget. Not to mention we still have studios like Madhouse who will throw a fuckton of money at something like Redline despite the obvious lack of cost-benefit analysis cuz yolo. | ||
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ZenithM
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Edit: I wasn't going to pull out this argument, but seeing as you already answered above as I was writing it, I might as well post it: you wouldn't make the argument for porn, which is an entertainment medium all the same. Anime is probably closer to porn than to reading. I've yet to watch an anime that greatly stimulated me on an intellectual level. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 12:34 ZenithM wrote: I agree with Slaughter. Anime doesn't have the same complexity depth as reading. You're missing the point. Reading and watching are different in a lot of ways and require different sets of skills/comprehension abilities, but just because a lot of anime is just fanservice pandering doesn't mean there aren't a lot of examples of anime that requires some skill/knowledge to comprehend. Again, my point is that people think that when people read or when people watch, everybody is equally good at reading and watching shit, when in reality that could not be farther from the truth. As a result, people are often dismissive of people trying to say stuff about "good" taste or "bad" taste by saying "well that's just your opinion man," as if the very fact that someone is espousing an opinion means that they are on the same playing field as other people who hold different opinions. On June 08 2015 12:34 ZenithM wrote: I mean.....lol okayEdit: I wasn't going to pull out this argument, but seeing as you already answered above as I was writing it, I might as well post it: you wouldn't make the argument for porn, which is an entertainment medium all the same. Anime is probably closer to porn than to reading. I've yet to watch an anime that greatly stimulated me on an intellectual level. | ||
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KazeHydra
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I don't care how "high brow" you think anime is or isn't but there's a certain level of competency in discussion/analysis you should expect that some people frankly don't have. | ||
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ZenithM
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 08 2015 12:39 ZenithM wrote: I don't think I missed your point. You're technically right, but the depth of anime is so shallow that it doesn't really matter if it's similar or not. How much anime have you actually watched? lol | ||
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IceHism
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On June 08 2015 11:59 Zergneedsfood wrote: My problem with people talking about taste is that there's an assumption that everyone's opinions are equal, when that really isn't true at all. Please teach me how to make my opinion more relevant. | ||
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SK.Testie
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Radio TV Movies None of these super popular mediums are high brow or complex. But like any medium they do have exceptions where occasionally something that is really great and people put a lot of care and thought into gets noticed for it's exceptional work. I think Anime definitely has that and that work is often seen as objectively even more awesome because the art / direction of some scenes just seem to fit so perfectly. Though if you're going by the definition of thought provoking (w/e that means) / intelligent / complex then the numbers grow fewer still in every type of medium. Perhaps books are the best medium for that since authors I'd hope are generally held to higher standards with editors and what not.... but then 50 shades of grey happens so maybe not. I'd argue that Anime is actually a complex medium because of how much a team can do with it. It's art coming together in many ways. It's writing, music, art, animation, acting, directing etc... all trying to come together to create a great atmosphere. Whatever that atmosphere is. Whether it's thought provoking with intriguing concepts, or whether it's just a bunch of silly fun, if too many of those artistic factors are off it isn't well received. But to not come off as just plain stupid and as a badly written show it usually needs to do well in a few of those areas. So as a medium I'd argue it's more complex if anything. | ||
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Slaughter
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On June 08 2015 12:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: I guess~ but that's not really relevant to my point outside of perhaps today's anime not being as experimental (?) Besides, it wasn't always like this, and various anime through the years have demonstrated the pretty cool shit you can do with a limited/stringent budget. Not to mention we still have studios like Madhouse who will throw a fuckton of money at something like Redline despite the obvious lack of cost-benefit analysis cuz yolo. I agree there, people are great at doing the best they can but I am saying compared to say books or movies the anime industry is not as big and has less resources which inhibits overall "growth" as a medium to become more "high brow" or whatever (This probably mostly hinges on perception as most people don't take animation as serious). Doesn't mean there hasn't been some pretty fantastic stuff done, but the question I pose is "Are there any pieces within the medium on par with 'masterpieces' in other mediums (IE Books/Films)?" and if not "Could there ever be?" People will argue about the former but I certainly think the answer the the second question is a definite yes. For a lot of people these questions are irrelevant as they do not particularly care as long as they are entertained, and I would argue a fair bit of the industry isn't trying to do that either because of that. | ||
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KazeHydra
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On June 08 2015 12:41 IceHism wrote: Please teach me how to make my opinion more relevant. Okay I'll bring up another example from this thread. There was a guy who had an opinion on an anime except he had all his facts wrong and was clearly mixing it up with a different anime. When I tried to explain how his opinion was based on something related to a completely different anime therefore making it invalid to the anime being discussed, he simply continued trying to justify it by saying "it's my opinion, and I don't care what you think about it." So you can make your opinion more relevant by having it be based on, I don't know, the actual thing you say it is about. | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 08 2015 12:34 ZenithM wrote: I agree with Slaughter. Anime doesn't have the same complexity depth as reading. Edit: I wasn't going to pull out this argument, but seeing as you already answered above as I was writing it, I might as well post it: you wouldn't make the argument for porn, which is an entertainment medium all the same. Anime is probably closer to porn than to reading. I've yet to watch an anime that greatly stimulated me on an intellectual level. Clearly, you have never watched LOGH On June 08 2015 12:41 IceHism wrote: Please teach me how to make my opinion more relevant. To preface this, I'm not championing the idea of some opinions being better than others, but I imagine watching more things and being more attentive to what you are watching would make your opinion more valued, I supposed. | ||
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