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+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 11:29 Ecael wrote:On June 22 2010 11:09 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 10:31 Ecael wrote:
VN where you get to play things? At most VNs have mini games, at the point where you get to 'play' a lot, it ceases being a VN (ADV) and moves into the SLG category. And well, pretty pictures occasionally make you enjoy a VN more, but it doesn't make it better from an objective circumstances. Yes, games like Gadget Trial and Sengoku Rance are regarded as Visual Novels. Gadget Trial is a pure Advance Wars clone with some pictures you can view later on via the main menu...and that's it. Sengoku Rance offers different routes and decisions you have to make(and pictures too) but most of the time you just play. 10 years ago VNs were basically just text+pictues, different routes and voice acting were more like an extra but in the past 3-5 years the definition changed...or rather it became more vague. That's why some games without former key elements and different "gameplay" are regarded like this. I definitely prefer the old definition but most people support the new one. Well, you try to live up to the Visual Novel name, at the point where we take Sengoku Rance to be VN we might as well as take all RPGs and call then VN. Also, I miss Gadget Trial, should find my copy. On June 22 2010 11:13 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 10:31 Ecael wrote:
VN where you get to play things? At most VNs have mini games, at the point where you get to 'play' a lot, it ceases being a VN (ADV) and moves into the SLG category. And well, pretty pictures occasionally make you enjoy a VN more, but it doesn't make it better from an objective circumstances. I don't consider the non-book stuff VNs ;x It's why I do my best to specifically differentiate "I'm reading Oretsuba" and "I'm playing Eienshinken." I also differentiate by saying like "ah that was a good read" as opposed to "ah that was a good game" etc. Same, enough SLG elements and I'll be using playing instead of reading. Little Buster was stuck in between though 
ah thanks for clearing things up everyone
I always though VNs were just "reading"
The only one I played/read was Clannad so
and that was just reading with pictures haha (I enjoyed it though )
People should give it a try too if they haven't
Any others people recommend?
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On June 22 2010 11:29 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 11:09 Lucumo wrote:On June 22 2010 10:31 Ecael wrote:
VN where you get to play things? At most VNs have mini games, at the point where you get to 'play' a lot, it ceases being a VN (ADV) and moves into the SLG category. And well, pretty pictures occasionally make you enjoy a VN more, but it doesn't make it better from an objective circumstances. Yes, games like Gadget Trial and Sengoku Rance are regarded as Visual Novels. Gadget Trial is a pure Advance Wars clone with some pictures you can view later on via the main menu...and that's it. Sengoku Rance offers different routes and decisions you have to make(and pictures too) but most of the time you just play. 10 years ago VNs were basically just text+pictues, different routes and voice acting were more like an extra but in the past 3-5 years the definition changed...or rather it became more vague. That's why some games without former key elements and different "gameplay" are regarded like this. I definitely prefer the old definition but most people support the new one. Well, you try to live up to the Visual Novel name, at the point where we take Sengoku Rance to be VN we might as well as take all RPGs and call then VN. Also, I miss Gadget Trial, should find my copy.
Hm, when they call Sengoku Rance a VN I can understand that(because of the reasons mentioned above and it's different from the common RPG) but Gadget Trial=VN, that's wrong. The funny thing is: There is a game called Farland Symphony which has the same basic elements but it's not regarded that way...or at least not really, people were arguing about that, whether this is a VN or not.
Anyway, I'm so tired of this discussion(read too much about it already) + there is no one really supporting the general(new) view. Maybe those people will answer later on or they just aren't registered here.
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JSH. Sekien no Inganock, fully translated already. More support of the series might lead us to more translations (Sharnoth please~).
And yeah the definition of VN is rather pointless to discuss, let's go back to talking about how Gadget Trial was an awesome game.
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On June 22 2010 10:37 FreshVegetables wrote:I'm surprised that Eureka 7 hasn't been mentioned at all. It really needs to get more love cause it really deserves it. What are your opinios regarding Eureka? Also sorry if i'm going a bit off topic but I really need some anime tips. I just recently(5 months ago) got involved with anime and i've really liked. Eureka, Elfen Lied, Tengen Toppa, Death Note, School Days, Hajime No Ippo, Claymore. Any tips are highly appreciated! Thank you Teamliquid 
I'm a big fan of Mecha anime, but I didn't like Eureka 7 at all. Renton just really irritated me. I dunno if I'll give it another shot again or not.
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Eureka 7 was one of the most irritating animes I have ever watched. Every single character in that goddamn anime was annoying as fuck.
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except the grandpa
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i personally enjoyed the movie more then series
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Anyone watch the haruhi movie?
Best anime movie I ever watched.
A great, well thought-out KyoAni work as usual. Erik Satie's Gymnopedie was absolutely a beautiful accompaniment. The score in general was stunning. The scenes were beautifully drawn (I could notice even though I watched a camrip), and you could see small little details that the director meticulously filled in that make you appreciate it that much more. The entire Endless Eight fiasco was totally worth it for this movie.
I can't wait to get the DVD and soundtrack. Must have rewatched scenes from this movie at least a dozen times.
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ARGH STOP MAKING ME WANT TO WATCH IT SO MUCH.
This is not ok 
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All that is out so far is the camrip, right? I think I'll wait for the DVD release or something.
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I will too, it's just all the ZOMG AMAZING posts make it really hard.
I've been waiting for the freaking movie for the past 2 years. gahhhhhhh
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On June 22 2010 10:50 FreshVegetables wrote:Well, I am not entirely sure what you mean by that really. I've been using this website "Animeftw.tv" to watch anime in DivX quality. Just picked some random show up, but quite a few of them have been really horrible and I honestly gave them a chance. From my experience i'm not really into the anime comedy stuff were some guy makes a fool of himself all the time, I really enjoy the more serious stuff, if u know what I mean. Like something tragic and something that would bring emotions to the surface. My main problem is that I really dont have a clue which animes are considered quality shows and which arent. Reading through whole this thread wouldn't be a practical either but i've found a few nice shows from this thread before
Tragedy- Clannad
Everything- Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann <- must watch
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Haruhi movie hasn't been released on DVD yet, right? RIGHT?
Anyhow, watching Eve no Jikan now...this really is a very interesting mini-series or whatever you'd call it. :D
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On June 22 2010 11:22 Tenryu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 10:50 FreshVegetables wrote:Well, I am not entirely sure what you mean by that really. I've been using this website "Animeftw.tv" to watch anime in DivX quality. Just picked some random show up, but quite a few of them have been really horrible and I honestly gave them a chance. From my experience i'm not really into the anime comedy stuff were some guy makes a fool of himself all the time, I really enjoy the more serious stuff, if u know what I mean. Like something tragic and something that would bring emotions to the surface. My main problem is that I really dont have a clue which animes are considered quality shows and which arent. Reading through whole this thread wouldn't be a practical either but i've found a few nice shows from this thread before Hmm.. for now i suppose you can try watching these: Kaiba Now and Then, Here and There Kemonozume Grave of the Fireflies Barefoot Gen 1 & 2 Terra e.. Gundam SEED Vision of Escaflowne Saikano Texhnolyze Wonderful Days Wolf's Rain Paprika Paranoia Agent Noein Mushishi Macross Zero Gungrave Some of em are a bit old but definetly worth watching.
Thanks a bunch! I will definitely give these shows a shot ^^
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On June 22 2010 12:08 Ecael wrote:
And yeah the definition of VN is rather pointless to discuss, let's go back to talking about how Gadget Trial was an awesome game.
No one said it was an awesome game and from my point of view...it definitely isn't. I played Advance Wars and the quality is nowhere near that. The characters are really generic: Loli character, "onee-san", happy+dumb character, a "yandere"-type character and someone with a huge ego/pride. Ok, there is one good character in the game and that's the Major.
The story is just bad. Gameplay is somewhat good since it's Advance Wars style but the changes are "meh". There is no group of ten units anymore, it's just one unit. So if you almost kill one unit, it can still kill one of your own units with full health, despite being almost dead. There are less units compared to AW. The game balance is fucked up. The easy and best way to win is to build air units. There is no Flak in this game and the Missile-type unit got nerfed. So you are able to bomb everything to nothingness without any problems.
Fun fact: The missions at the end are easier and shorter than the missions in the middle.
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ran out of things to watch, dun like battle anime/manga but something more mature and require sm level of thinking...
should i watch lucky star? lots of friend recommendations currently....
p/s: i, myself, dont find the plot of haruhi is that attractive. Or at least the way the story was told just not that into me
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On June 22 2010 22:11 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 12:08 Ecael wrote:
And yeah the definition of VN is rather pointless to discuss, let's go back to talking about how Gadget Trial was an awesome game. No one said it was an awesome game and from my point of view...it definitely isn't. I played Advance Wars and the quality is nowhere near that. The characters are really generic: Loli character, "onee-san", happy+dumb character, a "yandere"-type character and someone with a huge ego/pride. Ok, there is one good character in the game and that's the Major. The story is just bad. Gameplay is somewhat good since it's Advance Wars style but the changes are "meh". There is no group of ten units anymore, it's just one unit. So if you almost kill one unit, it can still kill one of your own units with full health, despite being almost dead. There are less units compared to AW. The game balance is fucked up. The easy and best way to win is to build air units. There is no Flak in this game and the Missile-type unit got nerfed. So you are able to bomb everything to nothingness without any problems. Fun fact: The missions at the end are easier and shorter than the missions in the middle.
Advanced Wars is definitely better, but if we pit Gadget Trial to the rest of the PC competition (not counting Doujin releases) Gadget Trial comes out on top imo. The sad state of the non-mmo market there has nothing to do with this, yep.
Something about that game amused me to no end while I played it in spite of everything you said to be true. Well, can't comment on game balance since I barely remember that side.
To qualify the above though, I personally quite enjoyed the games by Kogado Studio, especially the kuma-san team.
PH, DVD is not out yet.
Stryker, the OST is out.
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On June 22 2010 22:45 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 22:11 Lucumo wrote:On June 22 2010 12:08 Ecael wrote:
And yeah the definition of VN is rather pointless to discuss, let's go back to talking about how Gadget Trial was an awesome game. No one said it was an awesome game and from my point of view...it definitely isn't. I played Advance Wars and the quality is nowhere near that. The characters are really generic: Loli character, "onee-san", happy+dumb character, a "yandere"-type character and someone with a huge ego/pride. Ok, there is one good character in the game and that's the Major. The story is just bad. Gameplay is somewhat good since it's Advance Wars style but the changes are "meh". There is no group of ten units anymore, it's just one unit. So if you almost kill one unit, it can still kill one of your own units with full health, despite being almost dead. There are less units compared to AW. The game balance is fucked up. The easy and best way to win is to build air units. There is no Flak in this game and the Missile-type unit got nerfed. So you are able to bomb everything to nothingness without any problems. Fun fact: The missions at the end are easier and shorter than the missions in the middle. Advanced Wars is definitely better, but if we pit Gadget Trial to the rest of the PC competition (not counting Doujin releases) Gadget Trial comes out on top imo. The sad state of the non-mmo market there has nothing to do with this, yep. Something about that game amused me to no end while I played it in spite of everything you said to be true. Well, can't comment on game balance since I barely remember that side. To qualify the above though, I personally quite enjoyed the games by Kogado Studio, especially the kuma-san team.
Hm, I don't know. I mean, there are those VNs with RPG/strategy elements that I mentioned before and they are quite good. I don't know if you played Sengoku Rance and Tears to Tiara but I really enjoyed them. Then, there are "normal" PC games like the ones made by Falcom. Those are definitely better than Gadget Trial. Did you play the Ys-series?
What did you find so amusing? The units, the conversations?
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I played Gadget Trial before just going through that particular team's games. So by this point I don't even remember why that game spurred me through the rest of their games. Probably the conversations just hit a particular spot?
Rance, Tears to Tiara, Utawarerumono, Eushully and SoftChara games, you name it and if it is SLG I have probably played it. I didn't count the 18+ market though since Kogado makes all-age games. Falcom doesn't really make that type of turn based grid based games iirc (Y's tactic was a major flop), but their other games were good. If we were to factor in eroges with turn based tactic SLG portions though then Gadget Trial does fall flat.
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Falcom is fabulous; turn-based grid-based, if you count EiDen they're kinda that way. Just not mass-scale grid.
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