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Canada8028 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Continuing on My Own] +Al...  It's always struck me as a little strange why Amalgam exists in the first place. The only things we're ever told is that they're a terrorist organization and that they look for Whispered, but that's it. That seems like too little to actually justify their existence though. Is this connected to the implication that there's something more sinister behind the phenomenon of the Whispered? Also, has Mithril made no progress with the lambda driver or something? The (former) Arbalest is still the only unit with it equipped. I mean, they could've just taken Merida Island with Codarls if that was the case. Also, Leonard is a cheating bastard. I kinda wish Yan would just die or something. He's escaped death twice now. The first time was "oh it was a can of tomatoes, not my blood". The second time was "good thing I have a bulletproof vest". -_-
+ Show Spoiler [Burning One Man Force] +This is my favorite book in the series so far. First, we get to see Sousuke be a badass in the arena. Second, we get to see him struggle with his motivations.
And then there's Nami. I thought she was going to be added to the main cast when it was revealed that she was a Whispered. But then Kurama decides to completely blindside me.
I'm in awe.
Part one of the final volume's supposedly slated for release on July 17. Part two should be out in August.
I can't get over how utterly ridiculous this haircut is.
![[image loading]](http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4632/sudogenshiken201bb061d8.jpg)
Edit: By the way, the quality of that MAD is amazing. It was edited really well.
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On June 17 2010 03:56 Spazer wrote:I can't get over how utterly ridiculous this haircut is.
Paintbrush haircut girl from Genshiken?
forgot her name
huh is the anime worth watching?
I read the manga but that's about it
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Canada8028 Posts
Yeah. It's Ogiue. And if you liked the manga, I'd say the anime's worth a try. It's pretty good overall.
What the heck, so she had a normal haircut before?
![[image loading]](http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4323/sudogenshiken20631ca93c.jpg)
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I didn't see any preorder for the FMP books on my first check, but I'll check again later.
And yeah, 0 progress on the lambda driver, the only person in Mythril who knows anything about it is long dead. There are still 'developments', but you'll see how those are in the later books. As for Amalgam, none of us know anything. The plot around the organization's backstory started moving just a tiny bit in the last book.
Burning One Man Force was brilliant, Sousuke's skills from the Afghanistan days coming in handy.
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On June 17 2010 04:40 Spazer wrote:Yeah. It's Ogiue. And if you liked the manga, I'd say the anime's worth a try. It's pretty good overall. What the heck, so she had a normal haircut before?
She ends up with a normal haircut, too.
+ Show Spoiler [cuz it's a big pic] +
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On June 16 2010 17:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If I wanted good animation and music and nothing else, I'd go watch 5 Centimeters Per Second
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I watched Thor's 1080p rip of 5cm/s and I thought the animation was garbage. In fact, I will go as far as saying that that particular style of animation (also seen in Voices of a Distant Star, The Place Promised in our Early Days; all 3 being by the same person) needs to go away and never come back. It is, I suppose, ok for amateur work, of which all 3 are.
The fact that people buy into this being good is why Oshii went back and George Lucas'd Ghost in the Shell with new 3d effects and why GITS2 is way overladen with crappy CG. For that matter, even Summer Wars isnt that good.
Unfortunately, the Japanese studios are falling into the Disney trap. Look at a recent animated film from them like The Lion King and Pocahontas. They were even praised by critics as being well animated. But go back in time 80 years to Snow White and Bambi and those movies shit on everything produced after Whinnie the fucking Poo.
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I watched Thor's 1080p rip of 5cm/s and I thought the animation was garbage.
Um, what?
Man, internet surprises you every day.
Can I ask what exactly you disliked about it? The only thing I really dislike is the somewhat simplistic and exaggerated character designs. Other than that the animation is phenomenally detailed, but more than that the characters move well and even background stuff is excellently done. For example, the vehicle work is superb.
I just rewatched like 15 minutes of 5 cm/sec and was once again amazed at how good the animation is.
If you're objecting to the heavy use of computer effects, I'm really not sure why. They're A. unobtrusive and B. cheap. I read that 5 cm/sec had 1/20th the budget of Princess Mononoke. The only way that's possible is through use of computer effects.
Honestly, I see Shinkai's style as an extremely good way to make a show/movie look good/great on a budget.
Edit -- maybe this is just a personal taste thing, but I find that shows with computer enhancement kick the crap out of almost all shows without it artistically. Lighting, motion, etc. all look SO much better with computer enhancement it's just ridiculous.
Note that this is "enhancement" -- it needs to fit with the original animation. For example, GiTS did a superb job integrating 3D vehicles smoothly into the art style. By comparison, look at say, the OP for Monster, where the 3d traincar looks totally out of place. Bad computer enhancement does look, well bad.
But I'm baffled that anyone could call 5 cm/sec's integration of computer and traditional animation bad. It's some of the most seamless I've seen, creating a hybrid of traditional drawn art and computer effects that remains consistent and attractive throughout the movie. This hybrid is more detailed and realistic looking than traditional anime while retaining the anime elements.
I assume you strongly disliked Eden of the East's animation as well, because of all the effects?
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On June 17 2010 03:04 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 06:47 bearbuddy wrote:On June 16 2010 05:56 Mystlord wrote:On June 15 2010 15:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Same trap? There is nothing similar between the previous circumstance and the current one. Kida is doing the exact opposite of what he did the first time when he retaliated against the Blue Squares. He was frozen last time because he was afraid of being hurt/ possibly killed when facing the Blue Squares guys alone. He is trying to compensate for his misgivings last time by rejoining Yellow Scarves and avenging Anri. However, he is also keeping the Yellow Scarves in check until he gets the right information of who exactly the Slasher is. Episode 22 shows that he knows Anri was the one sneaking around, so he realizes that Anri is the slasher and that his vengeance is not one at all. He tries to get Anri to talk to Mikado (though the shouting doesn't really help there) and even calls up Mikado himself, though Mikado never picked up his cell.
What did Kida do wrong?
Disband the Yellow Scarves, and he loses the last tiny bit of leash he has on the hoodlum before they go out of control (though, by the end of the episode, they did). The guy's just got a series of unfortunate incidents and is losing his mind by each episode. He never disbanded the Yellow Scarves. He just... left. He's running away again from the source of all the problems. He knows that Mikado is the head of the Dollars, and he doesn't go talk to him. He knows that Anri is the Slasher, and the first thing he does when he sees her is yell at her about playing with Mikado's feelings. Then again, he might even be bipolar considering his behavior during that scene. Well whatever. Exactly, he didn't disband the Yellow Scarves. He left an order of not attacking and left them as is. So in effect, those orders might put some restraints on the members. He does try to contact Mikado via phone. Mikado is the one being weepy after disbanding the Dollars and not picking up the phone. He even admits that he does the wrong thing for the confrontation with Anri, but given how Anri could have basically cleared up everything from the get-go by admitting that she's the slasher, nothing would have started. I feel that Kida's actions are quite logical for a high schooler. He's the one of the last person I would suspend my disbelieve on. Yeah, he's quite emo, but he's far worse off than Anri and Mikado. He's not being realistic. He saw that those guys disobeyed his orders repeatedly, and he still just let them be. Kida is just as equally at fault because he has much more information than Mikado does. He's known about Mikado for what, 2 episodes now? He still hasn't done anything. With Anri, I would think that there's a good reason as to why she wouldn't reveal to anyone that she's the slasher. That would probably instill fear into any rational human being. Kida on the other hand is in denial. I don't even know what's going through his mind.
You're saying Kida is useless, but yet you provide no alternative to what he can do. I'm saying that he's doing the best that he can, given the situation. What's he gonna do, downsize the Yellow Scarves and cut Horada lose so he can run rampant? There is nothing that he can do to control Horada. The guy's a walking time bomb. He has tried to contact Mikado, as I've said two times before, by calling him up. I don't even think he's sure that Mikado is actually the leader of the dollars, given that the information came from Izaya. What better to get a confirmation than to contact the person himself?
The other two are just waiting for someone to push things along. Mikado is the one avoiding the problem by disbanding the dollars. Heck, he seems to not care about finding out about the slasher altogether, despite trying to do so immediately after the slasher incident. Anri stemmed the misunderstanding by saying that the slasher attacked her, but is avoiding telling the truth so things can stay good. Thereby avoiding the problem as well.
Stop hating on Kida, and give the gloomy kid in the rain his timeout. He is probably the most mentally unstable at the moment, given that his idea of trying to redeem himself (the blue squares incident scarred him quite deeply, as given by his narration many episodes ago) essentially backfired and the thing he's trying to hunt down turns out to be the person he's trying to protect.
Of course, I'm not blaming hating on Anri or Mikado for the whole gang war, either. It has been the premise of the show, and that a few series of coincidents (or incidents caused by Izaya) has resulted in this entire mess.
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Speaking of FMP:
I just read vol 13 of the manga,
+ Show Spoiler +I knew it was coming, but Kruz
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On June 17 2010 06:03 triangle wrote:Show nested quote +
I watched Thor's 1080p rip of 5cm/s and I thought the animation was garbage.
Um, what? Man, internet surprises you every day. Can I ask what exactly you disliked about it? The only thing I really dislike is the somewhat simplistic and exaggerated character designs. Other than that the animation is phenomenally detailed, but more than that the characters move well and even background stuff is excellently done. For example, the vehicle work is superb. I assume you strongly disliked Eden of the East's animation as well, because of all the effects?
Eden of the East wasnt all that much like 5cm/s. And while I had other problems that were more pressing with Eden of the East, I did not particularly like the animation. I dont mind fully CG animation either, but the way its done in those films is bad, imo.
My problem with the 5cm/s style is the overall effect. It just feels off. It doesnt feel like anime; it feels like a non-Japanese trying to emulate anime. Its 9/10 of the way there but its not right in the end. Its more about the characters than anything else, the way they look and move just isnt right. They are not aesthetically pleasing to look at. And when you have something that important that makes you feel like saying "ugh" the whole movie you have a problem.
The backgrounds are fine. But honestly they arent any better than the backgrounds in any major film that is being serious about doing the animation right.
5cm/s looks better the less of it you can see. When you cant really see the details of a character that well, it looks decent enough. Also, things that dont move relative to themselves (such as cars, rockets, etc) look fine too.
This is something specific to Shinkai's style.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On June 17 2010 06:12 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 03:04 Mystlord wrote:On June 16 2010 06:47 bearbuddy wrote:On June 16 2010 05:56 Mystlord wrote:On June 15 2010 15:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Same trap? There is nothing similar between the previous circumstance and the current one. Kida is doing the exact opposite of what he did the first time when he retaliated against the Blue Squares. He was frozen last time because he was afraid of being hurt/ possibly killed when facing the Blue Squares guys alone. He is trying to compensate for his misgivings last time by rejoining Yellow Scarves and avenging Anri. However, he is also keeping the Yellow Scarves in check until he gets the right information of who exactly the Slasher is. Episode 22 shows that he knows Anri was the one sneaking around, so he realizes that Anri is the slasher and that his vengeance is not one at all. He tries to get Anri to talk to Mikado (though the shouting doesn't really help there) and even calls up Mikado himself, though Mikado never picked up his cell.
What did Kida do wrong?
Disband the Yellow Scarves, and he loses the last tiny bit of leash he has on the hoodlum before they go out of control (though, by the end of the episode, they did). The guy's just got a series of unfortunate incidents and is losing his mind by each episode. He never disbanded the Yellow Scarves. He just... left. He's running away again from the source of all the problems. He knows that Mikado is the head of the Dollars, and he doesn't go talk to him. He knows that Anri is the Slasher, and the first thing he does when he sees her is yell at her about playing with Mikado's feelings. Then again, he might even be bipolar considering his behavior during that scene. Well whatever. Exactly, he didn't disband the Yellow Scarves. He left an order of not attacking and left them as is. So in effect, those orders might put some restraints on the members. He does try to contact Mikado via phone. Mikado is the one being weepy after disbanding the Dollars and not picking up the phone. He even admits that he does the wrong thing for the confrontation with Anri, but given how Anri could have basically cleared up everything from the get-go by admitting that she's the slasher, nothing would have started. I feel that Kida's actions are quite logical for a high schooler. He's the one of the last person I would suspend my disbelieve on. Yeah, he's quite emo, but he's far worse off than Anri and Mikado. He's not being realistic. He saw that those guys disobeyed his orders repeatedly, and he still just let them be. Kida is just as equally at fault because he has much more information than Mikado does. He's known about Mikado for what, 2 episodes now? He still hasn't done anything. With Anri, I would think that there's a good reason as to why she wouldn't reveal to anyone that she's the slasher. That would probably instill fear into any rational human being. Kida on the other hand is in denial. I don't even know what's going through his mind. You're saying Kida is useless, but yet you provide no alternative to what he can do. I'm saying that he's doing the best that he can, given the situation. What's he gonna do, downsize the Yellow Scarves and cut Horada lose so he can run rampant? There is nothing that he can do to control Horada. The guy's a walking time bomb. He has tried to contact Mikado, as I've said two times before, by calling him up. I don't even think he's sure that Mikado is actually the leader of the dollars, given that the information came from Izaya. What better to get a confirmation than to contact the person himself? The other two are just waiting for someone to push things along. Mikado is the one avoiding the problem by disbanding the dollars. Heck, he seems to not care about finding out about the slasher altogether, despite trying to do so immediately after the slasher incident. Anri stemmed the misunderstanding by saying that the slasher attacked her, but is avoiding telling the truth so things can stay good. Thereby avoiding the problem as well. Stop hating on Kida, and give the gloomy kid in the rain his timeout. He is probably the most mentally unstable at the moment, given that his idea of trying to redeem himself (the blue squares incident scarred him quite deeply, as given by his narration many episodes ago) essentially backfired and the thing he's trying to hunt down turns out to be the person he's trying to protect. Of course, I'm not blaming hating on Anri or Mikado for the whole gang war, either. It has been the premise of the show, and that a few series of coincidents (or incidents caused by Izaya) has resulted in this entire mess.
He walks with Mikado and Anri every day. He goes to school with them. I find it hard to believe that he can't just talk to them. All of them are equally at fault for the situation, but the point is that there are four people right now with information: Kida, Anri, Celty, and Izaya, and all of them save Izaya are too stupid to go out and talk to each other about it. Kida's just letting the world go to hell around him while he mopes around and tries to make sense of everything in his head. He even ignored Mikado when he called him early in ep 21.
That's not to say that Mikado or anyone else is not at fault. Mikado is being a retard and shunning everyone else, and he thinks that by ignoring the problem it will go away. Kida has stopped caring about anything and just ignores the Yellow Scarves whenever they do something that violates his orders. Apparently Celty's finally getting some brain cells though and is going to get these people to talk.
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On June 17 2010 06:56 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 06:12 bearbuddy wrote:On June 17 2010 03:04 Mystlord wrote:On June 16 2010 06:47 bearbuddy wrote:On June 16 2010 05:56 Mystlord wrote:On June 15 2010 15:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Same trap? There is nothing similar between the previous circumstance and the current one. Kida is doing the exact opposite of what he did the first time when he retaliated against the Blue Squares. He was frozen last time because he was afraid of being hurt/ possibly killed when facing the Blue Squares guys alone. He is trying to compensate for his misgivings last time by rejoining Yellow Scarves and avenging Anri. However, he is also keeping the Yellow Scarves in check until he gets the right information of who exactly the Slasher is. Episode 22 shows that he knows Anri was the one sneaking around, so he realizes that Anri is the slasher and that his vengeance is not one at all. He tries to get Anri to talk to Mikado (though the shouting doesn't really help there) and even calls up Mikado himself, though Mikado never picked up his cell.
What did Kida do wrong?
Disband the Yellow Scarves, and he loses the last tiny bit of leash he has on the hoodlum before they go out of control (though, by the end of the episode, they did). The guy's just got a series of unfortunate incidents and is losing his mind by each episode. He never disbanded the Yellow Scarves. He just... left. He's running away again from the source of all the problems. He knows that Mikado is the head of the Dollars, and he doesn't go talk to him. He knows that Anri is the Slasher, and the first thing he does when he sees her is yell at her about playing with Mikado's feelings. Then again, he might even be bipolar considering his behavior during that scene. Well whatever. Exactly, he didn't disband the Yellow Scarves. He left an order of not attacking and left them as is. So in effect, those orders might put some restraints on the members. He does try to contact Mikado via phone. Mikado is the one being weepy after disbanding the Dollars and not picking up the phone. He even admits that he does the wrong thing for the confrontation with Anri, but given how Anri could have basically cleared up everything from the get-go by admitting that she's the slasher, nothing would have started. I feel that Kida's actions are quite logical for a high schooler. He's the one of the last person I would suspend my disbelieve on. Yeah, he's quite emo, but he's far worse off than Anri and Mikado. He's not being realistic. He saw that those guys disobeyed his orders repeatedly, and he still just let them be. Kida is just as equally at fault because he has much more information than Mikado does. He's known about Mikado for what, 2 episodes now? He still hasn't done anything. With Anri, I would think that there's a good reason as to why she wouldn't reveal to anyone that she's the slasher. That would probably instill fear into any rational human being. Kida on the other hand is in denial. I don't even know what's going through his mind. You're saying Kida is useless, but yet you provide no alternative to what he can do. I'm saying that he's doing the best that he can, given the situation. What's he gonna do, downsize the Yellow Scarves and cut Horada lose so he can run rampant? There is nothing that he can do to control Horada. The guy's a walking time bomb. He has tried to contact Mikado, as I've said two times before, by calling him up. I don't even think he's sure that Mikado is actually the leader of the dollars, given that the information came from Izaya. What better to get a confirmation than to contact the person himself? The other two are just waiting for someone to push things along. Mikado is the one avoiding the problem by disbanding the dollars. Heck, he seems to not care about finding out about the slasher altogether, despite trying to do so immediately after the slasher incident. Anri stemmed the misunderstanding by saying that the slasher attacked her, but is avoiding telling the truth so things can stay good. Thereby avoiding the problem as well. Stop hating on Kida, and give the gloomy kid in the rain his timeout. He is probably the most mentally unstable at the moment, given that his idea of trying to redeem himself (the blue squares incident scarred him quite deeply, as given by his narration many episodes ago) essentially backfired and the thing he's trying to hunt down turns out to be the person he's trying to protect. Of course, I'm not blaming hating on Anri or Mikado for the whole gang war, either. It has been the premise of the show, and that a few series of coincidents (or incidents caused by Izaya) has resulted in this entire mess. He walks with Mikado and Anri every day. He goes to school with them. I find it hard to believe that he can't just talk to them. All of them are equally at fault for the situation, but the point is that there are four people right now with information: Kida, Anri, Celty, and Izaya, and all of them save Izaya are too stupid to go out and talk to each other about it. Kida's just letting the world go to hell around him while he mopes around and tries to make sense of everything in his head. He even ignored Mikado when he called him early in ep 21. That's not to say that Mikado or anyone else is not at fault. Mikado is being a retard and shunning everyone else, and he thinks that by ignoring the problem it will go away. Kida has stopped caring about anything and just ignores the Yellow Scarves whenever they do something that violates his orders. Apparently Celty's finally getting some brain cells though and is going to get these people to talk.
Ironic that Celty is the one without a head.
Okay, I'll concede that Kida has terrible ee han timing (e.g. being in the yellow scarves meeting when Mikado calls and let the opportunity to talk slip away until he decides to). Yellow Scarves were never his after the it was originally dissolved. It was there, and Kida was simply pulled back due to the slasher incident. If he had already taken into violence as punishment, and still they don't heed his command, I don't see how there's anything he can do other than to take the matter into his own hand and lead Anri away (and had a chance to talk to her, albeit not in a sane kind of way, but it had its effects to some degrees).
I placed my blame on Anri as you did yours on Kida. She first learned of Kida's involvement with the Yellow Scarves, and knew his purpose for doing so. The Dollars don't really have beef with anyone at that point, and they still don't in the sense that they never directly attacked the Yellow Scarves. The situation was still under control, and the renegades within the Yellow Scarves have yet to act up. She can talk to Kida, and that's game right there. But she doesn't. Kida doesn't know about Anri being the slasher until right before the big chase, where he was told about a girl with big boobs in school uniform.
So why hate so much on Kida?
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Ah FMP is indeed coming out...now to decide whether to buy it or not. Popular as it is I am sure I'll see scans or txt on pd/share soon...and I don't own the previous books anyway. Sounds like an argument to save some money, yes.
Wait why is Celty being blamed at all, she is living her happy life with Shinra and Mikado/Anri are just friends to her at best. Mikado might not even be considered a particularly close friend.
The no communication between characters trap always get people pissed though, lol. And funny revelation in vol 7 was that there is actually someone else who has a good idea of what's happening here.
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Looks like Rainbow is going to be a 12 ep series. Everything should be beginning to wrap up soon, and man such a rollercoaster of an anime. Probably my favorite of this season.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On June 17 2010 07:35 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 06:56 Mystlord wrote:On June 17 2010 06:12 bearbuddy wrote:On June 17 2010 03:04 Mystlord wrote:On June 16 2010 06:47 bearbuddy wrote:On June 16 2010 05:56 Mystlord wrote:On June 15 2010 15:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Same trap? There is nothing similar between the previous circumstance and the current one. Kida is doing the exact opposite of what he did the first time when he retaliated against the Blue Squares. He was frozen last time because he was afraid of being hurt/ possibly killed when facing the Blue Squares guys alone. He is trying to compensate for his misgivings last time by rejoining Yellow Scarves and avenging Anri. However, he is also keeping the Yellow Scarves in check until he gets the right information of who exactly the Slasher is. Episode 22 shows that he knows Anri was the one sneaking around, so he realizes that Anri is the slasher and that his vengeance is not one at all. He tries to get Anri to talk to Mikado (though the shouting doesn't really help there) and even calls up Mikado himself, though Mikado never picked up his cell.
What did Kida do wrong?
Disband the Yellow Scarves, and he loses the last tiny bit of leash he has on the hoodlum before they go out of control (though, by the end of the episode, they did). The guy's just got a series of unfortunate incidents and is losing his mind by each episode. He never disbanded the Yellow Scarves. He just... left. He's running away again from the source of all the problems. He knows that Mikado is the head of the Dollars, and he doesn't go talk to him. He knows that Anri is the Slasher, and the first thing he does when he sees her is yell at her about playing with Mikado's feelings. Then again, he might even be bipolar considering his behavior during that scene. Well whatever. Exactly, he didn't disband the Yellow Scarves. He left an order of not attacking and left them as is. So in effect, those orders might put some restraints on the members. He does try to contact Mikado via phone. Mikado is the one being weepy after disbanding the Dollars and not picking up the phone. He even admits that he does the wrong thing for the confrontation with Anri, but given how Anri could have basically cleared up everything from the get-go by admitting that she's the slasher, nothing would have started. I feel that Kida's actions are quite logical for a high schooler. He's the one of the last person I would suspend my disbelieve on. Yeah, he's quite emo, but he's far worse off than Anri and Mikado. He's not being realistic. He saw that those guys disobeyed his orders repeatedly, and he still just let them be. Kida is just as equally at fault because he has much more information than Mikado does. He's known about Mikado for what, 2 episodes now? He still hasn't done anything. With Anri, I would think that there's a good reason as to why she wouldn't reveal to anyone that she's the slasher. That would probably instill fear into any rational human being. Kida on the other hand is in denial. I don't even know what's going through his mind. You're saying Kida is useless, but yet you provide no alternative to what he can do. I'm saying that he's doing the best that he can, given the situation. What's he gonna do, downsize the Yellow Scarves and cut Horada lose so he can run rampant? There is nothing that he can do to control Horada. The guy's a walking time bomb. He has tried to contact Mikado, as I've said two times before, by calling him up. I don't even think he's sure that Mikado is actually the leader of the dollars, given that the information came from Izaya. What better to get a confirmation than to contact the person himself? The other two are just waiting for someone to push things along. Mikado is the one avoiding the problem by disbanding the dollars. Heck, he seems to not care about finding out about the slasher altogether, despite trying to do so immediately after the slasher incident. Anri stemmed the misunderstanding by saying that the slasher attacked her, but is avoiding telling the truth so things can stay good. Thereby avoiding the problem as well. Stop hating on Kida, and give the gloomy kid in the rain his timeout. He is probably the most mentally unstable at the moment, given that his idea of trying to redeem himself (the blue squares incident scarred him quite deeply, as given by his narration many episodes ago) essentially backfired and the thing he's trying to hunt down turns out to be the person he's trying to protect. Of course, I'm not blaming hating on Anri or Mikado for the whole gang war, either. It has been the premise of the show, and that a few series of coincidents (or incidents caused by Izaya) has resulted in this entire mess. He walks with Mikado and Anri every day. He goes to school with them. I find it hard to believe that he can't just talk to them. All of them are equally at fault for the situation, but the point is that there are four people right now with information: Kida, Anri, Celty, and Izaya, and all of them save Izaya are too stupid to go out and talk to each other about it. Kida's just letting the world go to hell around him while he mopes around and tries to make sense of everything in his head. He even ignored Mikado when he called him early in ep 21. That's not to say that Mikado or anyone else is not at fault. Mikado is being a retard and shunning everyone else, and he thinks that by ignoring the problem it will go away. Kida has stopped caring about anything and just ignores the Yellow Scarves whenever they do something that violates his orders. Apparently Celty's finally getting some brain cells though and is going to get these people to talk. Ironic that Celty is the one without a head. Okay, I'll concede that Kida has terrible ee han timing (e.g. being in the yellow scarves meeting when Mikado calls and let the opportunity to talk slip away until he decides to). Yellow Scarves were never his after the it was originally dissolved. It was there, and Kida was simply pulled back due to the slasher incident. If he had already taken into violence as punishment, and still they don't heed his command, I don't see how there's anything he can do other than to take the matter into his own hand and lead Anri away (and had a chance to talk to her, albeit not in a sane kind of way, but it had its effects to some degrees). I placed my blame on Anri as you did yours on Kida. She first learned of Kida's involvement with the Yellow Scarves, and knew his purpose for doing so. The Dollars don't really have beef with anyone at that point, and they still don't in the sense that they never directly attacked the Yellow Scarves. The situation was still under control, and the renegades within the Yellow Scarves have yet to act up. She can talk to Kida, and that's game right there. But she doesn't. Kida doesn't know about Anri being the slasher until right before the big chase, where he was told about a girl with big boobs in school uniform. So why hate so much on Kida?
It's not only hate on Kida. It's hate on every character who has failed to do anything thus far. Kida and Mikado have apparently entered emo mode and are apparently unwilling to do anything now. They're being stupidly naive and that's what irks me to no end.
To be honest, I'm more sympathetic to Anri because of her mental condition. As a person who locked away her emotions and encountered probably the most traumatic situation that any kid can encounter, she has a right to fear breaking her newly found peace. At the same time, I'm still annoyed at her for not taking action by talking to Mikado or Kida even though she now knows that this peace can't last. Some of the problem though might be a problem with going from Light Novel -> Anime. I feel that we're taking some cuts in character development.
And @Ecael, I feel that Celty's at fault since she knows all the information, but feels that keeping a promise to Anri is more important than stopping violence in the city. But whatever, that's just me =P
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I jumped in to defend Kida because you seemed to wail at him in particular. Anyone who named his group after something from the Three Kingdoms (okay, slightly before the era) is a cool bean in my books. Well, I actually wanted to see the all-out war, so I was not particularly pissed at anyone in particular, though I do believe Anri is the one who could have averted the whole situation altogether and that Kida has less power than you think he does. I saluted Izaya for a job well done (I'm such a terrible human being).
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Who needs NY asian escorts when you have anime and h-games? 
Edit: Aw, it got nuked.
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Celty has the information but doesn't get the extent that it is affecting the city really. Far as I know, she has no idea of the extent that Kida was screwed with in the past and the degree the conflict from then escalated to. Everything that she is doing this arc seem more out of concern for the individuals Anri and Mikado, not the city. I am not sure if the anime made it clear, but so far as long as Celty actual feel like there is something threatening the city, she acts. This conflict is being very underplayed to her, even with the amount of information she is getting from being on the Dollars mailing list nothing seem to carry much urgency.
It took some pretty extreme circumstances in the latter books (like a potential Shizuo rampage across the city) for her to start acting, and that's after the events from this vol changed her opinions on some things.
I am actually not going to be all like "omg original > anime" here, so far it feels like other than some pacing issues (that the original suffered form as well), the anime is doing quite a good job of getting the original content to us.
Bearbuddy, Romance of the Three Kingdoms is something pretty easy for middle schoolers to get hooked up, no matter their understanding of the actual work But I guess anything is better than no interest.
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On June 17 2010 15:35 Ecael wrote:Celty has the information but doesn't get the extent that it is affecting the city really. Far as I know, she has no idea of the extent that Kida was screwed with in the past and the degree the conflict from then escalated to. Everything that she is doing this arc seem more out of concern for the individuals Anri and Mikado, not the city. I am not sure if the anime made it clear, but so far as long as Celty actual feel like there is something threatening the city, she acts. This conflict is being very underplayed to her, even with the amount of information she is getting from being on the Dollars mailing list nothing seem to carry much urgency. It took some pretty extreme circumstances in the latter books (like a potential Shizuo rampage across the city) for her to start acting, and that's after the events from this vol changed her opinions on some things. I am actually not going to be all like "omg original > anime" here, so far it feels like other than some pacing issues (that the original suffered form as well), the anime is doing quite a good job of getting the original content to us. Bearbuddy, Romance of the Three Kingdoms is something pretty easy for middle schoolers to get hooked up, no matter their understanding of the actual work But I guess anything is better than no interest.
Yes, and he's awesome for being hooked on it. Though I do find it strange that he names his group the yellows scarves, which turned out to be fodders for heroism. Seems like a coincidents (Or maybe Izaya has a strange sense of humor?) that they ended up fighting the blue squares, which, by all means represents the Han Dynasty.
They even had the beginning of the Yellow Turban's slogan painted on a beam... 蒼天已死 (death of the blue sky). Wtf, this is getting rather uncanny. Kida is now a psychic that anticipated the future when he formed the yellow scarves.
And now Skyhigh is yellow taking on Blue Hyun in MST. My mind is blown.
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