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On February 22 2013 01:22 solidbebe wrote: Outlaw was reduced to a week though.
I guess you can add me to the few who can read japanese but my kanji knowledge is severely lacking, who even came up with that stupid system anyway ~_~
Too bad Kanji predate Kana. But I never understood the point of using two conflicting system either.
Hatred of foreigners IMO.
But apparently Kana was invented in the 9th century, which makes it even more puzzling. I guess it could be easier to learn for commoners.
iirc kata was for simplification of reading and a kind of rejection of the full Chinese usage and hiragana a further simplification of kata after a long time. Not like they are particularly conflicting anyway, kanji provides the spacing necessary in the language and just makes your life so much easier once you know it. In a language with a decent amount of homophones it is quite invaluable.
On February 22 2013 01:22 solidbebe wrote: Outlaw was reduced to a week though.
I guess you can add me to the few who can read japanese but my kanji knowledge is severely lacking, who even came up with that stupid system anyway ~_~
Too bad Kanji predate Kana. But I never understood the point of using two conflicting system either.
Hatred of foreigners IMO.
But apparently Kana was invented in the 9th century, which makes it even more puzzling. I guess it could be easier to learn for commoners.
iirc kata was for simplification of reading and a kind of rejection of the full Chinese usage and hiragana a further simplification of kata after a long time. Not like they are particularly conflicting anyway, kanji provides the spacing necessary in the language and just makes your life so much easier once you know it. In a language with a decent amount of homophones it is quite invaluable.
This discussion made me read wikipedia for a bit and it looks like hiragana was invented way before kata. A simplified version of chinese was created for japan which had no written language. It was kind of a low class person's language as all the high class just learned chinese. Kata was something invented buddhists to suplement kanji usage, to make their difficult texts easier to understand.
I'm not exactly a regular poster in this thread, but my Japanese is half-decent. I minored in it in college, passed the JLPT3, have 6,834 "words" learned in Memrise and another 4k in anki. 1790 kanji according to anki too. I can read VNs/LNs well enough, but at a pace that's like 1/4th of what I read English in so spending 200 hours on a long VN just isn't happening.
On February 22 2013 01:22 solidbebe wrote: Outlaw was reduced to a week though.
I guess you can add me to the few who can read japanese but my kanji knowledge is severely lacking, who even came up with that stupid system anyway ~_~
Too bad Kanji predate Kana. But I never understood the point of using two conflicting system either.
Hatred of foreigners IMO.
But apparently Kana was invented in the 9th century, which makes it even more puzzling. I guess it could be easier to learn for commoners.
iirc kata was for simplification of reading and a kind of rejection of the full Chinese usage and hiragana a further simplification of kata after a long time. Not like they are particularly conflicting anyway, kanji provides the spacing necessary in the language and just makes your life so much easier once you know it. In a language with a decent amount of homophones it is quite invaluable.
This discussion made me read wikipedia for a bit and it looks like hiragana was invented way before kata. A simplified version of chinese was created for japan which had no written language. It was kind of a low class person's language as all the high class just learned chinese. Kata was something invented buddhists to suplement kanji usage, to make their difficult texts easier to understand.
idk where you wiki'd it from but far as the Japanese wiki went...日本は本来固有の文字を持たず、中国大陸より文章を記す文字として漢字が伝わった。"Japan does not have a native written language of its own, rather, it took the characters for written text from China in form of kanji." The article then goes on to cover the appearance of katakana-like characters during the nara period and some things that started to look like hiragana. Which, like you mentioned, seems to have originated in buddhist scripts for easier reading.
Unless I misunderstood you and that all you meant to say was that Hiragana predates Katakana. In that case, katakana was found from texts at the end of the 8th century and hiragana started popping up during early 9th century.
On February 22 2013 01:53 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'm not exactly a regular poster in this thread, but my Japanese is half-decent. I minored in it in college, passed the JLPT3, have 6,834 "words" learned in Memrise and another 4k in anki. 1790 kanji according to anki too. I can read VNs/LNs well enough, but at a pace that's like 1/4th of what I read English in so spending 200 hours on a long VN just isn't happening.
You're better than some fansub translators I know.
On February 22 2013 01:22 solidbebe wrote: Outlaw was reduced to a week though.
I guess you can add me to the few who can read japanese but my kanji knowledge is severely lacking, who even came up with that stupid system anyway ~_~
Too bad Kanji predate Kana. But I never understood the point of using two conflicting system either.
Hatred of foreigners IMO.
But apparently Kana was invented in the 9th century, which makes it even more puzzling. I guess it could be easier to learn for commoners.
iirc kata was for simplification of reading and a kind of rejection of the full Chinese usage and hiragana a further simplification of kata after a long time. Not like they are particularly conflicting anyway, kanji provides the spacing necessary in the language and just makes your life so much easier once you know it. In a language with a decent amount of homophones it is quite invaluable.
This discussion made me read wikipedia for a bit and it looks like hiragana was invented way before kata. A simplified version of chinese was created for japan which had no written language. It was kind of a low class person's language as all the high class just learned chinese. Kata was something invented buddhists to suplement kanji usage, to make their difficult texts easier to understand.
idk where you wiki'd it from but far as the Japanese wiki went...日本は本来固有の文字を持たず、中国大陸より文章を記す文字として漢字が伝わった。"Japan does not have a native written language of its own, rather, it took the characters for written text from China in form of kanji. The article then goes on to cover the appearance of katakana-like characters during the nara period and some things that started to look like hiragana.
Hmm I didn't say that wasn't the case though. (I believe, rereading what I wrote it's pretty vague).
You said hiragana was a further simplification of kata, I meant to say that hiragana actually existed before kata. I checked some more sites though and it just confused me. Apparently something called man'yōgana was invented in the 9th century but I have no idea what that is.
edit* Every site gives a different year for everything. screw this
On February 22 2013 01:53 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'm not exactly a regular poster in this thread, but my Japanese is half-decent. I minored in it in college, passed the JLPT3, have 6,834 "words" learned in Memrise and another 4k in anki. 1790 kanji according to anki too. I can read VNs/LNs well enough, but at a pace that's like 1/4th of what I read English in so spending 200 hours on a long VN just isn't happening.
This is pretty damn good. I've frequently read that around 2000 kanji is what's required for newspapers/books/daily reading material.
On February 22 2013 01:22 solidbebe wrote: Outlaw was reduced to a week though.
I guess you can add me to the few who can read japanese but my kanji knowledge is severely lacking, who even came up with that stupid system anyway ~_~
Too bad Kanji predate Kana. But I never understood the point of using two conflicting system either.
Hatred of foreigners IMO.
But apparently Kana was invented in the 9th century, which makes it even more puzzling. I guess it could be easier to learn for commoners.
iirc kata was for simplification of reading and a kind of rejection of the full Chinese usage and hiragana a further simplification of kata after a long time. Not like they are particularly conflicting anyway, kanji provides the spacing necessary in the language and just makes your life so much easier once you know it. In a language with a decent amount of homophones it is quite invaluable.
This discussion made me read wikipedia for a bit and it looks like hiragana was invented way before kata. A simplified version of chinese was created for japan which had no written language. It was kind of a low class person's language as all the high class just learned chinese. Kata was something invented buddhists to suplement kanji usage, to make their difficult texts easier to understand.
idk where you wiki'd it from but far as the Japanese wiki went...日本は本来固有の文字を持たず、中国大陸より文章を記す文字として漢字が伝わった。"Japan does not have a native written language of its own, rather, it took the characters for written text from China in form of kanji. The article then goes on to cover the appearance of katakana-like characters during the nara period and some things that started to look like hiragana.
Hmm I didn't say that wasn't the case though. (I believe, rereading what I wrote it's pretty vague).
You said hiragana was a further simplification of kata, I meant to say that hiragana actually existed before kata. I checked some more sites though and it just confused me. Apparently something called man'yōgana was invented in the 9th century but I have no idea what that is.
edit* Every site gives a different year for everything. screw this
"man'yōgana" is just the use of kanji purely to pronounce Japanese sounds, with no meanings attached. As for hiragana, it looks like it might also have been derived from kanji directly, but it was not recognized as its own form of characters until after katakana.
I dont fcking dare to watch makoto's works unless i am watching it with my best friends gf etc, note i said more than 1 best friend which is very hard to get them over and is not like they are all anime fans.
I finished Mushishi a while ago, it was really good, great artwork (those mountains) and music too. Something I always wondered though is why is Ginko the only guy with modern clothes while every else wears old fashioned Japanese clothes?
On February 22 2013 07:12 coasts wrote: I finished Mushishi a while ago, it was really good, great artwork (those mountains) and music too. Something I always wondered though is why is Ginko the only guy with modern clothes while every else wears old fashioned Japanese clothes?
On February 22 2013 07:12 coasts wrote: I finished Mushishi a while ago, it was really good, great artwork (those mountains) and music too. Something I always wondered though is why is Ginko the only guy with modern clothes while every else wears old fashioned Japanese clothes?
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