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On March 17 2011 21:09 Vortok wrote:
It seems likely that Sanji'll fight Vander Decken to continue his "protect the princess, how dare you threaten a lady as beautiful as her" theme. At least he didn't spout more blood than a Kill Bill movie this time around.
Hodi obviously hasn't taken his pills, and Zoro isn't fighting at full strength (and is underwater). Hard to say how that fight'll turn out. Zoro may have to fight in the water the whole time so that his "true" strength won't be seen until a later story arc. Oda is nothing if not patient. The presence of a swordsman does scream "I'm Zoro's opponent for this arc!" but who knows. Maybe Oda'll change it up due to Luffy vs. poison that's weak sauce compared to Magellan's poison. Would be very uncharacteristic for Luffy to fight someone "weaker" like that while another crew member is fighting a stronger opponent, though.
that sword dude might be stronger than hodi...maybe he works for big mam and when she hears about the sh pirates she will come to fishman island they will all fight and thats why the island will be destroyed
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Bold Prediction: Hodi joins the Straw Hat pirates when they enter the New World.
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On March 18 2011 16:51 Souma wrote:
Bold Prediction: Hodi joins the Straw Hat pirates when they enter the New World.
nah, not gonna happen
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On March 18 2011 17:27 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 16:51 Souma wrote:
Bold Prediction: Hodi joins the Straw Hat pirates when they enter the New World. nah, not gonna happen
Yeah, Hodi's supremacist mindset just doesn't fit with a "good guy" image, and it's something Oda can't change without really testing the disbelief of his readers, considering how ingrained Hodi's viewpoints are.
Also, WHERE THE FUCK IS CARIBOU?!?!?!?
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He's kidnapping mermaids with the intent to sell them later.
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So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now
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On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now
I agree with ur verdict except that there are some things that u have to consider such as some powers are more effective than others. for example, smoker could easily overpower luffy cos he has a logia, but now that luffy has haki, this example is sorta useless.
I mean the matchup between aokiji and ace nails the point cos aokiji is an admiral and seen as more powerful than ace, but ace's power directly counters the admiral's...
just wanted to point that out. XD
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Ah damn, no Jump next week.
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On March 20 2011 02:06 Sophisticado wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now I agree with ur verdict except that there are some things that u have to consider such as some powers are more effective than others. for example, smoker could easily overpower luffy cos he has a logia, but now that luffy has haki, this example is sorta useless. I mean the matchup between aokiji and ace nails the point cos aokiji is an admiral and seen as more powerful than ace, but ace's power directly counters the admiral's... just wanted to point that out. XD
True true. But its also strongly hinted that admirals arent too relent on their powers. Akoji was stabbed by whitebeards bisento infused with haki but was able to nullify it with haki armour. Blackbeard also has the Yami Yami no mi that completely nulls any devil fruit and the Gura Gura no mi but still doesnt think he can take on admiral Akainu, who lost to white beards Gura gura no mi alone. So its not completely rock power scissors with powers. The individuals skill/haki is also has to be taken into account
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On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now
Just so you know, Vice Admirals can't even touch the Shichibukai (go reread/rewatch the Ace arc).
And between Admiral and Yonkou, they may or may not be even, we don't really know I don't think. Whitebeard was deemed the single most strongest individual in One Piece, so can't really put him on the level of the other Yonkou.
The Shichibukai also vary in terms of individual power imo. Donquixote seems like he could be Yonkou/Admiral level.
Ranks are a bit difficult at the moment.
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OP is much more complicated than the level of power. I don't know how you guys can come up the this ladder of power and not take into considerations that there are other factors like Army and Rebel Army in its universe.
Where would Dragon be in this ladder? How about his subordinates? How about the General of the World Army? hmmmmm ..
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I JUST WANNA SEE LUFFYS HAKI IN ACTION! Saw a bit of it in the latest though!
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"the sword guy might be stronger then Hodi"
I seriously doubt Hodi is dead from that fatal blow Zoro dealt to him.... He probably has some kind of imba regeneration of some sort and will be a great challenge for Zoro (EPIC BATTLE INC!?!?!)... And hopefully luffy won't join in because of Jinbes words. He speaketh the truth and the thruth only!
Vander Decken sucks balls, he can drop dead, hes just annoying as hell! :D
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On March 20 2011 10:26 aimaimaim wrote:
OP is much more complicated than the level of power. I don't know how you guys can come up the this ladder of power and not take into considerations that there are other factors like Army and Rebel Army in its universe.
Where would Dragon be in this ladder? How about his subordinates? How about the General of the World Army? hmmmmm ..
Well we're not trying to decide the power level of every individual in One Piece. Just the ones we've witnessed so far (extensively) to see where Luffy might be at. Nothing more and nothing less.
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On March 20 2011 10:21 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now Just so you know, Vice Admirals can't even touch the Shichibukai (go reread/rewatch the Ace arc). And between Admiral and Yonkou, they may or may not be even, we don't really know I don't think. Whitebeard was deemed the single most strongest individual in One Piece, so can't really put him on the level of the other Yonkou. The Shichibukai also vary in terms of individual power imo. Donquixote seems like he could be Yonkou/Admiral level. Ranks are a bit difficult at the moment.
Can you give some examples to back up your claim :/. Ive been giving numerous examples so i think its only fair that you back up that claim with evidence
And Whitebeard was deemed strongest man on the earth physically. Probably because of his physical strength and his DF power combined. But also remember that shanks was able to hold his own vs whitebeard making it clear that the Yonkous are around the same level as each other
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On March 20 2011 10:31 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 10:26 aimaimaim wrote:
OP is much more complicated than the level of power. I don't know how you guys can come up the this ladder of power and not take into considerations that there are other factors like Army and Rebel Army in its universe.
Where would Dragon be in this ladder? How about his subordinates? How about the General of the World Army? hmmmmm .. Well we're not trying to decide the power level of every individual in One Piece. Just the ones we've witnessed so far (extensively) to see where Luffy might be at. Nothing more and nothing less.
Exactly
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On March 20 2011 10:34 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 10:21 Souma wrote:On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now Just so you know, Vice Admirals can't even touch the Shichibukai (go reread/rewatch the Ace arc). And between Admiral and Yonkou, they may or may not be even, we don't really know I don't think. Whitebeard was deemed the single most strongest individual in One Piece, so can't really put him on the level of the other Yonkou. The Shichibukai also vary in terms of individual power imo. Donquixote seems like he could be Yonkou/Admiral level. Ranks are a bit difficult at the moment. Can you give some examples to back up your claim :/. Ive been giving numerous examples so i think its only fair that you back up that claim with evidence
The Vice Admiral and Shichibukai claim? Sure, if you revisit the Ace arc, you can see the Vice Admirals all EASILY being crushed by Whitebeard's commanders and Little Oars Jr. The Shichibukai are at least on par with the Whitebeard commanders, and Little Oars Jr. was taken down by Kuma in one shot.
And by the way, Whitebeard's #1 Marco was able to go toe-to-toe with Admiral Kizaru, and Diamond Jozu was able to repel Mihawk's big slash (though this isn't that much information, Mihawk could probably still own him, and the fact that Diamond is... well, made out of Diamond kind of benefits vs. Mihawk).
The Vice Admirals were all pretty much fodder in that big war. Garp is a different story though, as he is Admiral class (remember, he refused his promotion).
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On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now
Vice admiral and admiral are different ranks. Fleet admiral is also a different rank than admiral.
During the war Luffy was already VA level - hit that during CP9 arc with level 2.
Devilfruit powers are all part of the fun of One Piece but after timeskip Luffy and Zoro are atleast admiral level and Sanji has gotta be pretty fucking beast himself.
Before timeskip the strongest Shibukai: Hawk Eyes / Don Flamingo - #1/2 (dunno who's stronger), #3 I'd say Hancock, #4 Jubei the rest don't really matter anymore / maybe I forgot someone.
Gotta keep an eye out for Kidd, Law and the rest of the Yonko. Oh and ofcourse Blackbeard. But personally from what we've seen > Blackbeard's darkness shouldn''t be too bad of a match vs Luffy. Luffy's jetpistol on him in Impel Down fucked him up and Luffy doesn't need rubber powers to beat the shit out of someone.
We all know who the future pirate king is
On March 17 2011 21:32 MaboTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:09 Vortok wrote:
It seems likely that Sanji'll fight Vander Decken to continue his "protect the princess, how dare you threaten a lady as beautiful as her" theme. At least he didn't spout more blood than a Kill Bill movie this time around.
Hodi obviously hasn't taken his pills, and Zoro isn't fighting at full strength (and is underwater). Hard to say how that fight'll turn out. Zoro may have to fight in the water the whole time so that his "true" strength won't be seen until a later story arc. Oda is nothing if not patient. The presence of a swordsman does scream "I'm Zoro's opponent for this arc!" but who knows. Maybe Oda'll change it up due to Luffy vs. poison that's weak sauce compared to Magellan's poison. Would be very uncharacteristic for Luffy to fight someone "weaker" like that while another crew member is fighting a stronger opponent, though. that sword dude might be stronger than hodi...maybe he works for big mam and when she hears about the sh pirates she will come to fishman island they will all fight and thats why the island will be destroyed
Ya... when I was following water city arc I thought Franky was pretty gay villian. Then Luffy finally beat Lucci's ass like a year later but still - it was fucking sweet. Oda is real good at building up a climax, sometimes it feels like it takes too long to get started but then you read Bleach and are like "oh right..."
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On March 20 2011 10:39 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 10:34 Tabbris wrote:On March 20 2011 10:21 Souma wrote:On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
So ill try and give a estimate on luffys so called power lvl.....
Lets make a list from strongest to weakest.
1.Yonkou/Fleet admiral
2.Admiral
3.Vice admiral/Shichibukai
Okey we know Luffy was able to beat Two Shichibukai but lets look at the circumstance. Luffy accidently found Crocodiles major weakness. He would of nornally needed haki to beat him but he was able to by pass that because he got lucky. The second one he beat was Gekko Moria Who was considered to be too weak to even be a Shichibukai anymore. So this hints that luffy was not at the level of a regular Shichibukai before the time lapse. Further proof is that ace and blackbeard are both Shichibukai level but still seems miles ahead of luffy in power. Even Smoker whose only a commador(2 ranks below vice admiral) seems to out class luffy. After the Two year time lapse it seems like luffy caught up to his brother who was Shichibukai level. That is why i believe Luffy is now as strong as a Vice admiral/Shichibukai But still ways weaker than a admiral and Younko.
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now Just so you know, Vice Admirals can't even touch the Shichibukai (go reread/rewatch the Ace arc). And between Admiral and Yonkou, they may or may not be even, we don't really know I don't think. Whitebeard was deemed the single most strongest individual in One Piece, so can't really put him on the level of the other Yonkou. The Shichibukai also vary in terms of individual power imo. Donquixote seems like he could be Yonkou/Admiral level. Ranks are a bit difficult at the moment. Can you give some examples to back up your claim :/. Ive been giving numerous examples so i think its only fair that you back up that claim with evidence The Vice Admiral and Shichibukai claim? Sure, if you revisit the Ace arc, you can see the Vice Admirals all EASILY being crushed by Whitebeard's commanders and Little Oars Jr. The Shichibukai are at least on par with the Whitebeard commanders and Little Oars Jr. was taken down by Kuma in one shot. And by the way, Whitebeard's #1 Marco was able to go toe-to-toe with Admiral Kizaru, and Diamond Jozu was able to repel Mihawk's big slash (though this isn't that much information, Mihawk could probably still own him, and the fact that Diamond is... well, made out of Diamond kind of benefits vs. Mihawk). The Vice Admirals were all pretty much fodder in that big war. Garp is a different story though, as he is Admiral class (remember, he refused his promotion).
Yeah you make a good point. I just reread that. It also makes sense since there is like double or triple the number of vice admirals compared to Shichibukai.
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On March 20 2011 10:16 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 02:06 Sophisticado wrote:On March 19 2011 13:29 Tabbris wrote:
TLDR- Luffy is at a Vice admiral/Shichibukai Level now I agree with ur verdict except that there are some things that u have to consider such as some powers are more effective than others. for example, smoker could easily overpower luffy cos he has a logia, but now that luffy has haki, this example is sorta useless. I mean the matchup between aokiji and ace nails the point cos aokiji is an admiral and seen as more powerful than ace, but ace's power directly counters the admiral's... just wanted to point that out. XD True true. But its also strongly hinted that admirals arent too relent on their powers. Akoji was stabbed by whitebeards bisento infused with haki but was able to nullify it with haki armour. Blackbeard also has the Yami Yami no mi that completely nulls any devil fruit and the Gura Gura no mi but still doesnt think he can take on admiral Akainu, who lost to white beards Gura gura no mi alone. So its not completely rock power scissors with powers. The individuals skill/haki is also has to be taken into account
Also remember both garp and sengoku are supposed to have stepped down from their positions.
Sengoku nominated "I believe" Aokiji was recommended for the new fleet admiral. This means that there is a VA position open and either the FA or A position open depending on whether or not Aokiji accepted the FA position. IMHO I could see smoker as an excellent candidate for the VA position.
I think a ranking of power is important but as was proved in luffy vs crocodile or Nami vs Kalifa I you cannot ignore luck or the failure to give up or intelligence when determining the outcome of a fight.
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