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On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit.
It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows.
Just kidding.
Seriously though, why do you think that?
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depends on the definition of strong, if strong as in above average then definently but its unlikely hes have haki that could beat Vergos haki if he has a strong fruit in addition
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On September 14 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:
depends on the definition of strong, if strong as in above average then definently but its unlikely hes have haki that could beat Vergos haki if he has a strong fruit in addition
Are you seriously saying that dragon won't have Haki that surpasses Vergos? I mean Sabo is comfortable enough to muck around with an admiral so the big man above him should surely be comfortable too right? If you look at who has been introduced as members of the rev. army surely dragon has gotta be some complete monster of a guy to keep them in check/make them follow him? Given what was said about luffys' little conq. haki outburst during the war surely it's almost certain that Dragon along with Garp has it too right?
If dragon was just an above average dude then surely the WG would have been able to get rid of him easy enough? Plus Sabo seemed to use Haki has the main object of his attacks before consuming the mera and wasn't he taught by Dragon?
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France7248 Posts
he's a leader, it doesn't meant he has to be a strong fighter with strong haki and everything
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On September 14 2014 04:41 Yhamm wrote:
he's a leader, it doesn't meant he has to be a strong fighter with strong haki and everything
Look at the other two members of his family that have been introduced. Both his father and Son are monsters. Is there really any doubt he's not a real top level monster of a dude. He has gotta be able to hold his own against 99.9% of the people out there if he's gonna lead a group that will change the entire world.
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Dragon has a D in his family that alone shows that he is something special.
And do you really think Garp didn't train his son as hard as his grandson?
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On September 14 2014 04:41 Yhamm wrote:
he's a leader, it doesn't meant he has to be a strong fighter with strong haki and everything
In One Piece those tend to go together..
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France7248 Posts
all I see is suppositions and even if they are strong, that doesn't make them facts
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On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that?
Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear.
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On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear.
What about buggy....
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France7248 Posts
On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates.
it's so wrong :/
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On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/
ROFL
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On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. Spandam. Foxy.
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On September 14 2014 07:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. Spandam. Foxy.
One extreme level filler and the other is not really a comparison you can make given the other 99.9 % examples given throughout the story.
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France7248 Posts
On September 14 2014 07:25 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/ ROFL
well I don't know who you are laughing to since your post was so great
but they are not his "subordinate" cause they can't beat him. that is certainly not the reason
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On September 14 2014 07:39 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 07:25 shark. wrote:On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/ ROFL well I don't know who you are laughing to since your post was so great but they are not his "subordinate" cause they can't beat him. that is certainly not the reason
To a very small extent it is for Zoro, especially given his comment after Luffy CH's th 50k guys at Fishman island. I believe it was something along the lines of "That's what I need from my Captain, otherwise he needs to step down" Or something like that, Obviously it's not the whol reason Zoro follows Luffy and to say that's why any of them follow him is just crazy. But just thought I'd point out it MAY play a small, tiny part for Zoro.
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On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/
That's it, that is your argument? Do you know how to make valid points or rebut others? So if Usopp beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No way. If Zoro beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No frikin way.
On September 14 2014 07:08 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. What about buggy....
On September 14 2014 07:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. Spandam. Foxy.
That is called the exception to the rule. Your point would be like if I said "Men are stronger than women" and you said "What about Olympic female powerlifters?"
Not on does Luffy take on responsibilities that others in his crew don't take, he takes on responsibilities that others in his crew CAN'T take. Some of the opponents that Luffy fought and beat were ones that nobody in his crew could beat at the time.
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On September 14 2014 08:23 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/ That's it, that is your argument? Do you know how to make valid points or rebut others? So if Usopp beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No way. If Zoro beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No frikin way. Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 07:08 randombum wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. What about buggy.... Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 07:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. Spandam. Foxy. That is called the exception to the rule. Your point would be like if I said "Men are stronger than women" and you said "What about Olympic female powerlifters?" Not on does Luffy take on responsibilities that others in his crew don't take, he takes on responsibilities that others in his crew CAN'T take. Some of the opponents that Luffy fought and beat were ones that nobody in his crew could beat at the time.
They gave you three entirely different examples, and you think you can brush them off with "they are the exception"? What about the Tenryuubito? They have plenty of followers, yet mostly have been pretty week. What about King Nefertari Cobra? What about Iceburg? All are leaders, and none are worth anything in fighting.
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On September 14 2014 08:23 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +
Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear.
Spandam. Foxy. That is called the exception to the rule. Your point would be like if I said "Men are stronger than women" and you said "What about Olympic female powerlifters?" Not on does Luffy take on responsibilities that others in his crew don't take, he takes on responsibilities that others in his crew CAN'T take. Some of the opponents that Luffy fought and beat were ones that nobody in his crew could beat at the time. Uh yes? That's the point of an exception to the rule. The exception invalidates that rule. That's the meaning of the phrase.
"Men are stronger than women." Some women are stronger than some men. Therefore it is a false statement. However if you wrote "men are generally (or on average) stronger than women" that would be true.
Not saying Dragon doesn't have or have haki. That remains to be seen. He probably does, but in order to be strong, he doesn't neccessarily need to have haki, just like whitebeard. Though weather or not whitebeard does have haki can be debated, Oda never wrote that he did. Nor does being a leader in One piece depend on being stronger than your immediate inferiors. It's a trend but was it ever determined that Luffy is in fact stronger than Zoro? Heck, Smoker was said to be stronger than many above his own rank. You have taken a general theme, and turned it into gospel, combining it with that leaders must have haki as well. To which I can respond...Whitebeard.
Also lol at "Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates."
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On September 14 2014 08:35 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2014 08:23 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 07:19 Yhamm wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. it's so wrong :/ That's it, that is your argument? Do you know how to make valid points or rebut others? So if Usopp beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No way. If Zoro beat Luffy when they fought he would still be following him? No frikin way. On September 14 2014 07:08 randombum wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. What about buggy.... On September 14 2014 07:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On September 14 2014 06:04 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 14 2014 00:30 Mataza wrote:On September 13 2014 13:53 ElizarTringov wrote:On September 13 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 13 2014 11:08 Hyperbola wrote:
I actually dislike the whole "colored limbs" thing. It makes every fight seem the same. I liked Haki when it was vague. When you'd kick a logia and they'd go HUHH because they didn't expect your foot to make contact. Nowadays many fights are just two guys beating on each other with black arms and legs. Just to name a few:
1. Luffy vs. Chinjao
2. Luffy vs. Zephyr
3. Luffy vs. World
4. Vergo vs. Smoker
It also doesn't help that people can go full black mode with haki when they're 'advanced'. This basically means that every fight between high level pirates will be two fully black guys slogging it out. Haki right now seems more like a devil fruit rather than a natural form of combat. It's too invasive. It draws too much attention instead of being in the background like it should and always has been up until the time skip. i doubt well ever see another Haki user like Vergo, maybe one or two more but certainly not so common as to have 2 of them fight each other In the case of Dragon, it absolutely makes sense that he has strong haki. or a strong fruit or some other sort of power It makes sense that he has both strong haki and a strong devil fruit. It makes sense to me that he is super saiyan 3, as he has no eyebrows. Just kidding. Seriously though, why do you think that? Because he is a top dog, leader of the revolutionary army, son of Garp, father of luffy, mentor of Sabo. Notice the sheer amount of Baller Status people who follow him: Kuma(previously), Sabo, Emporio Ivankov. Notice the fact the he openly opposes the World Government. Who he was raised by, the people he is surrounded by and who he is fighting against shows that he isn't just some two bit punk, he is the real deal, strong haki and strong fruit but at the very LEAST strong haki. The characters in One Piece do not follow weak people.If a character in One Piece is stronger than the leader than what is stopping that character from taking the leadership position? Nothing, thus by default a leader is one who is strong enough to not be beaten by his subordinates. This point is shown time and again throughout One Piece. Ace couldn't beat White Beard and thus became his subordinate. Nobody in Luffy's crew can beat Luffy and thus they are his subordinates. Nobody in Arlong's crew could beat him and thus they became his subordinates. It doesn't make any sense that someone stronger in the world of pirates would submit themselves to someone weaker. While certain things in One Piece don't make sense the leadership dynamics are very clear. Spandam. Foxy. That is called the exception to the rule. Your point would be like if I said "Men are stronger than women" and you said "What about Olympic female powerlifters?" Not on does Luffy take on responsibilities that others in his crew don't take, he takes on responsibilities that others in his crew CAN'T take. Some of the opponents that Luffy fought and beat were ones that nobody in his crew could beat at the time. They gave you three entirely different examples, and you think you can brush them off with "they are the exception"? What about the Tenryuubito? They have plenty of followers, yet mostly have been pretty week. What about King Nefertari Cobra? What about Iceburg? All are leaders, and none are worth anything in fighting.
They gave me 3 examples in a sea of yonkos, shickibukai, pirate captains who are stronger than their crew. What you failed to mention is that they are political leaders more so than leaders of an army or pirates. Luffy, Captains of other crews, the 4 Yonkos, the 3 Admirals, the 7 Shichibukai are leaders of a fighting force(one of them is the exception because he is alone-mihawk, the other is the exception because he got posses an army from sheer luck and he is a comical character so it makes sense-buggy) they aren't political leaders.
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