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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ.
The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace.
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On August 17 2014 12:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 03:41 Hyperbola wrote:On August 16 2014 23:21 Eshra wrote:On August 16 2014 09:23 Hyperbola wrote:
I honestly don't care how long oda's arcs take as long as he keeps me entertained. That said, filler does not emtertain me. Tonattas are filler, the factory boss is filler and the nutcrackers are filler. Filler is anything put in front of you that is bland, inconsequential and spontaneous. Latley, one piece has had a lot of filler. It makes me think that oda buying time or trying to drag things out. Like oda is being unfaithful to his own story. Tontattas are filler? o_o Do you just want the manga to be a succession of Luffy fights without any story? When you have an element which you can remove to no determent to the overall story, it's filler. I'm not saying all tonattas are filler but there are many scenes with them that you could remove and nothing would change. Same with the factory boss. Notice how we didn't know about the factory boss until she appeared in her chapter? There was no set up. There was no point to it. She could not exist and we'd still have everything going on in the same way. All she is is white space. Filler. but then you have a hollow stripped down story with no depth that just races through the arcs without actually fleshing anything out
There's no more reasoning to be had here, move on.
Also that art looks bad
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On August 17 2014 12:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ. The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace.
As long as it isn't some massive jump like what some people are hoping. Massive jumps to me would be like 30m->100m, or 100m->300m. They were all massive jumps, and were portrayed as such. But at this point, if we get another massive jump with 400m at the base, then I'm going to call foul. I can stomach 550m, but it better not double or something. 400m is already incredibly high.
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On August 17 2014 13:28 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 12:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ. The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace. As long as it isn't some massive jump like what some people are hoping. Massive jumps to me would be like 30m->100m, or 100m->300m. They were all massive jumps, and were portrayed as such. But at this point, if we get another massive jump with 400m at the base, then I'm going to call foul. I can stomach 550m, but it better not double or something. 400m is already incredibly high.
ah but Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito, so attacking him like this might be one of the most heinous crimes and the thenryuubito might push for a large bounty on Luffy to get him faster
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luffy's final bounty: one piece
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On August 17 2014 13:38 Incognoto wrote:
Kidd is at 470?! :o
We've known this for 2 years already. :o
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-677-page-3.html
On August 17 2014 13:45 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 13:28 Sentenal wrote:On August 17 2014 12:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ. The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace. As long as it isn't some massive jump like what some people are hoping. Massive jumps to me would be like 30m->100m, or 100m->300m. They were all massive jumps, and were portrayed as such. But at this point, if we get another massive jump with 400m at the base, then I'm going to call foul. I can stomach 550m, but it better not double or something. 400m is already incredibly high. ah but Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito, so attacking him like this might be one of the most heinous crimes and the thenryuubito might push for a large bounty on Luffy to get him faster
Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito... He's not any more.
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On August 17 2014 14:20 Elite_ wrote:We've known this for 2 years already. :o http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-677-page-3.htmlShow nested quote +On August 17 2014 13:45 Forikorder wrote:On August 17 2014 13:28 Sentenal wrote:On August 17 2014 12:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ. The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace. As long as it isn't some massive jump like what some people are hoping. Massive jumps to me would be like 30m->100m, or 100m->300m. They were all massive jumps, and were portrayed as such. But at this point, if we get another massive jump with 400m at the base, then I'm going to call foul. I can stomach 550m, but it better not double or something. 400m is already incredibly high. ah but Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito, so attacking him like this might be one of the most heinous crimes and the thenryuubito might push for a large bounty on Luffy to get him faster Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito... He's not any more.
even if hes not technically one now, he still seems to have alot of trust/power in the WG with his secret meetings with CP0 and given the job to assasinate Moria
and they would probably still be pissed someone dare spill Tenryuubito blood
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 17 2014 14:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 14:20 Elite_ wrote:On August 17 2014 13:38 Incognoto wrote:
Kidd is at 470?! :o We've known this for 2 years already. :o http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-677-page-3.htmlOn August 17 2014 13:45 Forikorder wrote:On August 17 2014 13:28 Sentenal wrote:On August 17 2014 12:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 17 2014 04:57 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy's bounty is high enough until he starts rivaling the Youkou, then he can go up again. You people are forgetting that the WG thinks that even 100m is a high enough bounty for someone able to defeat a Shichibukai, so we don't need to inflate the bounties of everyone. If you start inflating bounties, bounties in OP will become like Power Levels in DBZ. The position of the world government is that beyond 300 million increasing the bounty to attract better bounty hunters (which is the main goal of a bounty) is useless , as even the best bounty hunters will go for a prey in that price range. So beyond 300 million the world government is only increasing the bounties to express the relative danger of the individuals to them. While the bounties of Apoo at 350 million and Kidd at 470 million might be functionally the same from the perspective of bounty hunters, it shows that the government cares more about stopping Kidd than Apoo. Since the government is using bounties for such a purpose there is no risk of exponential risings in bounties, more rather of bounty increases tapering off. However, based on other known bounties, I think there still is room for Luffy's bounty to grow right now, to express how much he has improved in the last two years and the magnitude of this new incident with Doflamingo. I think a bounty of 550 million would be very fitting as that was the bounty of Ace. As long as it isn't some massive jump like what some people are hoping. Massive jumps to me would be like 30m->100m, or 100m->300m. They were all massive jumps, and were portrayed as such. But at this point, if we get another massive jump with 400m at the base, then I'm going to call foul. I can stomach 550m, but it better not double or something. 400m is already incredibly high. ah but Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito, so attacking him like this might be one of the most heinous crimes and the thenryuubito might push for a large bounty on Luffy to get him faster Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito... He's not any more. even if hes not technically one now, he still seems to have alot of trust/power in the WG with his secret meetings with CP0 and given the job to assasinate Moria and they would probably still be pissed someone dare spill Tenryuubito blood
He's already spilled Tenryuubito blood though by hitting Saint Charloss. Since doing that + invading Impel Down + being Dragon's son + attacking Marineford to save Ace only netted him a gain of 100 million, from 300 to 400, its evident that when you reach that stage increasing your bounty is incredibly difficult. Rayleigh also said as much.
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i wouldnt call that implying at all, the CP0 trusted him to kill Moria, if DD was blackmailing them then he could ahve used that to blackmail them further, i wouldnt be surprised if he "attacked" the "heavens pay" ship as a cover story to get his share of the loot
at any rate theres no real evidence that DD and the tenryuubito are at odds with each other, they helped him deal with law by manipulating the newspaper if they wanted him out of the way they could have let law and luffy go straight at him and used the admiral to make sure everything gets done cleanly so seems like they dont actually plan to do away with him
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DD steals from the Tenryuubito and blackmails them, and probably killed some of them with his own hands, and yet you think they aren't at odds. Classic Forikorder.
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On August 17 2014 16:26 Sentenal wrote:
DD steals from the Tenryuubito and blackmails them, and probably killed some of them with his own hands, and yet you think they aren't at odds. Classic Forikorder.
When has DD confirmed killed any Tenryuubito? Can't use his brother as evidence because that hasn't been explained at all yet. All we know is Law is "avenging" him apparently. Also he is a Tenryuubito or "was" I guess now (again not explained at all), he can't really steal something that belongs to him.
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On August 17 2014 17:06 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 16:26 Sentenal wrote:
DD steals from the Tenryuubito and blackmails them, and probably killed some of them with his own hands, and yet you think they aren't at odds. Classic Forikorder. When has DD confirmed killed any Tenryuubito? Can't use his brother as evidence because that hasn't been explained at all yet. All we know is Law is "avenging" him apparently. Also he is a Tenryuubito or "was" I guess now (again not explained at all), he can't really steal something that belongs to him.
Do you know what the word "probably" means? Let me help you out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/probably
Doflamingo also killed his Father. And they outright say he was raiding ships that were carrying Tribute for the Tenryuubito.
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On August 17 2014 16:26 Sentenal wrote:
DD steals from the Tenryuubito and blackmails them, and probably killed some of them with his own hands, and yet you think they aren't at odds. Classic Forikorder.
okay so because he might have stolen some chump change from them, and PROBABLY killed some (Which are your OWN words) you think its ridiculous to think that they could ever be friends and must be mortal enemies despite all the support hes gotten from them this arc
and you really think that the Tenryuubio would allow someone to live after killing a tenryuuibito? just slapping one is enough to have an admiral death team sent after them
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If he stole "chump change", Forikorder, he would not have enough to blackmail them. You do know what blackmail is, right?
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If the Tenryuubito status is hereditary (which is heavily implied by labeling them nobility and referencing the blood of the world's creators), and DD killed anyone in his family, it logically follows that he's killed at least one other Tenryuubito.
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On August 18 2014 03:25 Sentenal wrote:
If he stole "chump change", Forikorder, he would not have enough to blackmail them. You do know what blackmail is, right?
the Ternyuubito are the world nobles who basically run the entire world, they recieve money from the entire world as "heavens pay" (the amount of frequency of such payments are unknown)
at any point in time they want they can point at someone and that person will immediately be taken to Marijoas to be there slave and they can kill anyone they want whenever they want
they are essentially gods who with the power of the marines are able to do whatever they want whenever they want with access to unlimited resources
any amount of money in the "heavens pay" is essentially chump change they collect just because they can
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On August 18 2014 13:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 03:25 Sentenal wrote:
If he stole "chump change", Forikorder, he would not have enough to blackmail them. You do know what blackmail is, right? the Ternyuubito are the world nobles who basically run the entire world, they recieve money from the entire world as "heavens pay" (the amount of frequency of such payments are unknown) at any point in time they want they can point at someone and that person will immediately be taken to Marijoas to be there slave and they can kill anyone they want whenever they want they are essentially gods who with the power of the marines are able to do whatever they want whenever they want with access to unlimited resources any amount of money in the "heavens pay" is essentially chump change they collect just because they can
So, how does it feel to read something, and then completely ignore what they said? How does it feel to not know what "Blackmail" means?
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On August 18 2014 13:50 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 13:42 Forikorder wrote:On August 18 2014 03:25 Sentenal wrote:
If he stole "chump change", Forikorder, he would not have enough to blackmail them. You do know what blackmail is, right? the Ternyuubito are the world nobles who basically run the entire world, they recieve money from the entire world as "heavens pay" (the amount of frequency of such payments are unknown) at any point in time they want they can point at someone and that person will immediately be taken to Marijoas to be there slave and they can kill anyone they want whenever they want they are essentially gods who with the power of the marines are able to do whatever they want whenever they want with access to unlimited resources any amount of money in the "heavens pay" is essentially chump change they collect just because they can So, how does it feel to read something, and then completely ignore what they said? How does it feel to not know what "Blackmail" means?
im aware of what blackmail is, so let me ask you then how do you blackmail someone who holds all the cards? there not hiding there crimes there completely open about killing and enslaving people at random so what could DD do? tell the world there douchebags? the newspaper wont report anything the teny's dont want it to report they control all information and all the military
the only thing he could possibly use it info from the blank century and i doubt he has that info
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