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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 23 2014 22:12 GMT
#16641
what an useless argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 22:14:18
June 23 2014 22:13 GMT
#16642
On June 24 2014 06:57 Slaughter wrote:
You are overstating it of course because obviously not everyone is a "combat god" but there is a well defined difference in level between the two parts of the Grand Line. Oda himself hyped the New World, with the whole "people call the 1st half of the Grand Line paradise compared the the second half". Why do you think the SH needed a collective power up before the started it?

Also, Pel's speed has nothing to do with it. Rebecca has observation haki, tell me how any of his machine gun fire (or sword attacks or his swoop attacks) would ever hit her?

How fast do you think Rebecca is? Like maybe just give me a general estimate, since now that I actually think about it, its not like we can get an exact speed from a manga.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 23 2014 22:16 GMT
#16643
On June 24 2014 07:10 Slaughter wrote:
She is a fighter who uses counters and moves that use the opponents own momentum against them. You don't think once Pel comes in for a close attack after his machine guns do nothing that she won't be able to do something?

not really, if hes flying hes not relying on gravity so she can redirect him but she cant make him fall over so itd be easy for him to recover no matter how much she throws him

and without the moat he would barely be taking damage even if she does make him fall
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 23 2014 22:23 GMT
#16644
Fast enough to easily dodge Pel's machine gun fire (it becomes even easier for her if she does in fact have obs Haki). Its probably hard to judge since we haven't actually seen her fight a whole lot but everyone in the manga is pointing to her being extremely fast, fast enough to "not received a single blow from an opponent" as the announcer guy said. She likely has speed that is high among mid teir fighters if you look at the big picture. Like the monster trio or above would be able to track her easily so she wouldn't seem fast, but people below that would have trouble with it.

Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 23:04:38
June 23 2014 23:04 GMT
#16645
Her record in the Colosseum is irrelevant as far as how she would fair against bullets, seeing as how guns aren't allowed in the Colosseum, unless I missed something.

But since you are saying she would easily be able to dodge machinegun fire, are you saying Rebecca is able to travel at like... 1700 MPH? Well maybe that speed is cutting it a little close to be able to "easily" dodge. Maybe she can move at 2500 MPH, that should be sufficient speed to easily dodge a bullet.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 23 2014 23:12 GMT
#16646
On June 24 2014 08:04 Sentenal wrote:
Her record in the Colosseum is irrelevant as far as how she would fair against bullets, seeing as how guns aren't allowed in the Colosseum, unless I missed something.

But since you are saying she would easily be able to dodge machinegun fire, are you saying Rebecca is able to travel at like... 1700 MPH? Well maybe that speed is cutting it a little close to be able to "easily" dodge. Maybe she can move at 2500 MPH, that should be sufficient speed to easily dodge a bullet.

your aware that dodging a bullet doesnt require you to outrun it right?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 23:21:19
June 23 2014 23:19 GMT
#16647
On June 24 2014 08:12 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:04 Sentenal wrote:
Her record in the Colosseum is irrelevant as far as how she would fair against bullets, seeing as how guns aren't allowed in the Colosseum, unless I missed something.

But since you are saying she would easily be able to dodge machinegun fire, are you saying Rebecca is able to travel at like... 1700 MPH? Well maybe that speed is cutting it a little close to be able to "easily" dodge. Maybe she can move at 2500 MPH, that should be sufficient speed to easily dodge a bullet.

your aware that dodging a bullet doesnt require you to outrun it right?

It requires being able to get out of the way of something traveling anywhere from like 550 MPH to 2700 MPH (depending on caliber) that also started moving before you did, from a distance of like, what, 300 meters, or closer, as it often is in One Piece?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 23:34:57
June 23 2014 23:33 GMT
#16648
On June 24 2014 08:19 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:12 Forikorder wrote:
On June 24 2014 08:04 Sentenal wrote:
Her record in the Colosseum is irrelevant as far as how she would fair against bullets, seeing as how guns aren't allowed in the Colosseum, unless I missed something.

But since you are saying she would easily be able to dodge machinegun fire, are you saying Rebecca is able to travel at like... 1700 MPH? Well maybe that speed is cutting it a little close to be able to "easily" dodge. Maybe she can move at 2500 MPH, that should be sufficient speed to easily dodge a bullet.

your aware that dodging a bullet doesnt require you to outrun it right?

It requires being able to get out of the way of something traveling anywhere from like 550 MPH to 2700 MPH (depending on caliber) that also started moving before you did, from a distance of like, what, 300 meters, or closer, as it often is in One Piece?

no it requeires you to no longer be where the bullet is going, which does not mean moving after the bullet it means moving after the shooter can no longer adjust his aim

or moving faster then he can accurately aim
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 23:42:56
June 23 2014 23:39 GMT
#16649
Forik, why don't you go look up what words mean before you actually start this stuff. You clearly have no idea how words work or what simple words like "dodge" actually mean and imply. If you are "dodging a bullet", that implies that if you do not actively dodge the bullet, you would be hit. And in order for that to be true, you have to be in the bullet's trajectory. You can move at 0 MPH if the bullet is already going to miss and not get hit.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 24 2014 00:02 GMT
#16650
Why are you questioning such capabilities when its not even an impressive ability in OP? Zoro has cut bullets with his sword. It's not a hard feat at all, especially with observation Haki.
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 00:08:39
June 24 2014 00:06 GMT
#16651
I dunno, I think being able to move at speeds exceeding a thousand miles per hour is an impressive ability. Also, are you trying to imply Rebecca is on the same level as Zoro?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 24 2014 00:09 GMT
#16652
Zoro could do that back when he was just some scrub in the east blue. I don't know why your impressed by it because its not especially impressive in the OP world.
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 00:12:33
June 24 2014 00:12 GMT
#16653
Slaughter, you do realize that moving at speeds I'm talking about is like DBZ Levels of Bullshit, right? There are like 2 characters in OP who are faster than what I'm talking about, and they move at the speed of light and lightning. And I guess Kuma too. So 3 characters.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 24 2014 00:12 GMT
#16654
Why are you arguing semantics Sentenal? Defending against gun fire in some way or another has been shown to be fairly easy for anyone with some skills in fighting in the One Piece world.

Either way I don't think using Pell as some sort of metric for the strength of Rebecca is a fruitful topic of conversation either.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2014 00:14 GMT
#16655
I'm not arguing semantics, I'm just amazed that people think moving at retarded speeds in OP is common and easy. Defending against gunfire is a completely different thing from being fast enough to avoid a bullet.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 24 2014 00:24 GMT
#16656
Anime/manga exaggerate why are you surprised? A lot of characters can do this. Everyone with obs haki could do it. Its not something especially special in the OP world. Your mixing in real world standards for human ability. Sanji from the start of his appearance can track, jump, hit with precision a cannon ball out of the air. People do amazing feats that would be considered impossible all the time so sorry if I am somewhat confused as to why you are suddenly putting one of those feats up against standards in the real world.
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 00:46:09
June 24 2014 00:39 GMT
#16657
What, do you want me to start talking about cannon balls now? Name one character who is not named Kizaru, Enel, or Kuma, who can naturally move at speeds exceeding a thousand miles per hour. Luffy didn't even come close to that speed when running his ass off at Marineford, not that it would have made a difference with Kizaru there. Hundreds, sure, and thats super-human as hell. But thousands? I don't think you are trying to wrap your head around just how fast a thousand miles per hour really is. You are talking about people regularly going much faster than the speed of sound like its common.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 01:08:38
June 24 2014 01:06 GMT
#16658
The point I am trying to make Sent is that we take for granted the massive amount of impossible stuff that characters pull all the time in this series. Sanji kicking cannon balls and Zoro cutting bullets are just examples of feats that are "impossible" but yet get done all the time anyway. You just seem to be zeroing in on dodging bullets and calling bullshit on it when there are equally insane things being done all the time. Rebecca wouldn't even have to move at "retarded speeds" if she has Obs Haki because that is not how it works because you are predicting. Like Luffy when he dodged the shots of the Celestial dragon or dodging lasers of the pacifista.

As to your point about the characters you brought up, no one BUT thats a different type of movement. Its super fast movement over longer ranges (plus CP9 guys and everyone who does the shave tech move pretty fast but who knows how that ranks because when its animated it looks similarly as fast to the eye).
Never Knows Best.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 24 2014 01:08 GMT
#16659
On June 24 2014 09:39 Sentenal wrote:
What, do you want me to start talking about cannon balls now? Name one character who is not named Kizaru, Enel, or Kuma, who can naturally move at speeds exceeding a thousand miles per hour. Luffy didn't even come close to that speed when running his ass off at Marineford, not that it would have made a difference with Kizaru there. Hundreds, sure, and thats super-human as hell. But thousands? I don't think you are trying to wrap your head around just how fast a thousand miles per hour really is. You are talking about people regularly going much faster than the speed of sound like its common.

noone has to move that fast you just have figure out where the bullet is going and move pre-emptively
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2014 01:20 GMT
#16660
On June 24 2014 10:06 Slaughter wrote:
The point I am trying to make Sent is that we take for granted the massive amount of impossible stuff that characters pull all the time in this series. Sanji kicking cannon balls and Zoro cutting bullets are just examples of feats that are "impossible" but yet get done all the time anyway. You just seem to be zeroing in on dodging bullets and calling bullshit on it when there are equally insane things being done all the time. Rebecca wouldn't even have to move at "retarded speeds" if she has Obs Haki because that is not how it works because you are predicting. Like Luffy when he dodged the shots of the Celestial dragon or dodging lasers of the pacifista.

Well this is actually going into semantics territory now, but as I said with Forik earlier, I consider what you are talking about being different from "dodging" a bullet.

Do we have any information on the range of Obs Haki? I know Enel was able to use it over an incredibly long distance (partially due to his Devil Fruit), and people like Luffy have been able to sense "presences" in the nearby area (but not knowing exactly where it was), but do we know the range of actually being able to predict attacks coming from a long distance away? Like for example, would a Non-Enel person with Obs Haki have been able to predict Usopp's long range sniping back at the Bridge of Hesitation?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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