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On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck...
ya cause cavendish being there and having a powerful personality that he can only have active for X time has nothing to do with luck
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On June 24 2014 00:21 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... ya cause cavendish being there and having a powerful personality that he can only have active for X time has nothing to do with luck
Thats right, Cavendishs wierd limited powerup thing isnt rebeccas problem. Fact remains rebecca was the only one able to dodge him despite the hakuba mode.
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On June 24 2014 00:27 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 00:21 Forikorder wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... ya cause cavendish being there and having a powerful personality that he can only have active for X time has nothing to do with luck Thats right, Cavendishs wierd limited powerup thing isnt rebeccas problem. Fact remains rebecca was the only one able to dodge him despite the hakuba mode.
shes lucky that he was there though since it made her job a ton easier...
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On June 23 2014 14:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:48 Zooper31 wrote:On June 23 2014 13:46 Forikorder wrote:On June 23 2014 13:43 Zooper31 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:51 Forikorder wrote:On June 23 2014 11:43 Zooper31 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:30 vndestiny wrote:
No Rebecca 2014, or any year really. Rebecca is so boring. Agreed. She's basically just another eye candy that actually has some skills with a sword. Though I guess the ship is missing a really capable female ya know? Vote goes to Jimbei, Kinnemon or Kuros. Heck Barto is pretty awesome I'd be happy with him joining too. Robin doesnt count as capable? If Robin like knew haki or was physically strong herself then I think she'd be fine. Atm she's just abusing the fact she can have infinite arms on someone or make a leg really big. But that's still her own leg and can be hurt and damaged just the same. She's on the same level as like Robin and Usopp. Which I would count at the bottom. Rebecca has been remarked as incredibly fast and was the only one withstanding in the coliseum after the devil whirlwind guy got released. That has to say something about her abilities, I'm sure we'll see her do something badass yet this arc and fight someone. shes beaten strong people up to this point and has gone through the insanity of the crews travels plus shes been able to survive on her own with like the entire world hunting her for years why do people seem to think shes a pushover? She's super smart, definitely the smartest on the crew. That's definitely helped her evade people. But 1v1 I don't think she's capable of beating many others until she herself improves. Rebecca can't beat anyone noteworthy either. She barely managed to block a single attack from Cavendish in Hakuba mode. That is literally her only accomplishment so far. Additionally, as far as Haki goes, shes only shown Observation Haki. All things considered, I'd MAYBE put Rebecca on the same level as the Priests of Skypeia. And I have no doubt that Robin would stomp her.
She DEFEATED Cavendish. He's got a pretty good bounty, so Rebecca is pretty strong. Also, blood power, a princess and son of the strongest Gladiator.
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On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck...
She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death.
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On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death.
Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death
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On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death
Thus, I consider luck part of the character's strength like i said.
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On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death
are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy?
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Blood power isn't a thing in OP. Hemelpo is proof of that. He only became competent after Garp took him under his wing. I'm not saying that rebecca can't hold her own but she was very fortunate that Hakuba came out and slaughtered everyone who couldn't react as quickly as she did.
Edit formatting screwed up
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she didnt defeat Cavendish, Cavendish fell asleep huge difference
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On June 24 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy?
He's referring to all of luffy's lucky 2nd chances.a few examples like when Along drop his sorry ass into lake with a rock bound to his feet, that fight ended there and luffy lost if he didn't get help. Crocodile basically killed the shit out of luffy twice, once luffy got saved by Robin, the second time that huge water drop back down and hit luffy when crocodile sucked him dry. There were many other as you remember.
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On June 24 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy?
I am implying that Luffy doesn't kill anyone. 
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On June 24 2014 01:56 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy? He's referring to all of luffy's lucky 2nd chances.a few examples like when Along drop his sorry ass into lake with a rock bound to his feet, that fight ended there and luffy lost if he didn't get help. Crocodile basically killed the shit out of luffy twice, once luffy got saved by Robin, the second time that huge water drop back down and hit luffy when crocodile sucked him dry. There were many other as you remember.
his second death to croc was saved by skill not luck
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On June 24 2014 01:56 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy? I am implying that Luffy doesn't kill anyone.
luffy reflected enough bullets and cannon balls back at people who shot them enough times that those cannon folders are unlikely to survive. They slaughter and killed millions of animals too.
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Na, while I do agree that she has been underestimated by some people, others are drastically overestimating her.
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On June 24 2014 02:38 Slaughter wrote:
Na, while I do agree that she has been underestimated by some people, others are drastically overestimating her.
you're right she is strong but not even close to luffy/zoro level haxed .. maybe franky level or lower than franky level but definitely not fodder level or shit level useless like how Forikorder is proclaiming it passionately .. since she is surviving new-world and was able to beat almost all her enemies while not really trying to harm them except luffy level enemies of course ..
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On June 24 2014 02:05 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:56 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 01:18 Forikorder wrote:On June 24 2014 01:15 sharkie wrote:On June 24 2014 01:14 rei wrote:On June 24 2014 00:18 sc2holar wrote:On June 24 2014 00:10 rei wrote:
two schools of views here, we have measure strength by the result. and then we have measure strength by process that leads up to the result. One of them you don't need to read between the lines while the other you have to make your own analysis.
I always consider luck as part of someone's strength. Like luffy for example, he wouldn't be alive if he wasn't lucky for many of his encounters. except as pointed out by Sabo, Rebeccas victory had nothing to do with luck... She wasn't lucky that she dodged that attack, she was lucky that the format of the tournament gave the win to her, she would have died if it were a fight to the death. Luffy would have also died if it were a fight to the death are you implying Hakuba could beat Luffy? He's referring to all of luffy's lucky 2nd chances.a few examples like when Along drop his sorry ass into lake with a rock bound to his feet, that fight ended there and luffy lost if he didn't get help. Crocodile basically killed the shit out of luffy twice, once luffy got saved by Robin, the second time that huge water drop back down and hit luffy when crocodile sucked him dry. There were many other as you remember. his second death to croc was saved by skill not luck
crocodile could have killed him on the spot instead of dropping him down the wall.
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On June 24 2014 02:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:38 Slaughter wrote:
Na, while I do agree that she has been underestimated by some people, others are drastically overestimating her. you're right she is strong but not even close to luffy/zoro level haxed .. maybe franky level or lower than franky level but definitely not fodder level or shit level useless like how Forikorder is proclaiming it passionately .. since she is surviving new-world and was able to beat almost all her enemies while not really trying to harm them except luffy level enemies of course ..
im not saying shes useless im saying shes weaker then every strawhat
crocodile could have killed him on the spot instead of dropping him down the wall.
Croc did kill him on the spot
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On June 24 2014 03:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:45 goody153 wrote:On June 24 2014 02:38 Slaughter wrote:
Na, while I do agree that she has been underestimated by some people, others are drastically overestimating her. you're right she is strong but not even close to luffy/zoro level haxed .. maybe franky level or lower than franky level but definitely not fodder level or shit level useless like how Forikorder is proclaiming it passionately .. since she is surviving new-world and was able to beat almost all her enemies while not really trying to harm them except luffy level enemies of course .. im not saying shes useless im saying shes weaker then every strawhat Show nested quote +
crocodile could have killed him on the spot instead of dropping him down the wall.
Croc did kill him on the spot
You seriously claim that this undefeated gladiator from the new world is weaker than nami, chopper and usopp?
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On June 24 2014 03:19 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:10 Forikorder wrote:On June 24 2014 02:45 goody153 wrote:On June 24 2014 02:38 Slaughter wrote:
Na, while I do agree that she has been underestimated by some people, others are drastically overestimating her. you're right she is strong but not even close to luffy/zoro level haxed .. maybe franky level or lower than franky level but definitely not fodder level or shit level useless like how Forikorder is proclaiming it passionately .. since she is surviving new-world and was able to beat almost all her enemies while not really trying to harm them except luffy level enemies of course .. im not saying shes useless im saying shes weaker then every strawhat
crocodile could have killed him on the spot instead of dropping him down the wall.
Croc did kill him on the spot You seriously claim that this undefeated gladiator from the new world is weaker than nami, chopper and usopp?
the undefeated gladiator who only took out fodder, and who can only win in the specific situation of the ring (since the water and fish are neccesary for her to KO) and has literally no offensive capability is indeed weaker then Nami chopper and usopp
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