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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
June 24 2014 01:24 GMT
#16661
no to rebe, yes to barto~
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 24 2014 01:24 GMT
#16662
I would say it most likely depends on the user and their level of mastery. I can't think of instances where this was tested. Kizaru once was shot by some random pirate trying to make a name for himself but it just went through him because he was a logia BUT I think it has been stated that logias can be vulnerable to surprise attack so maybe that indicates he sensed it?
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2014 01:27 GMT
#16663
Its hard to tell about that, since when Logia users were affected by surprise attacks (Smoker and Ace), it was in a comedic scene, with Luffy bursting into a restaurant on top of the two. So that might have been like the times where Nami is able to beat Luffy to a pulp, despite him being Rubber (happens for comedic effect).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 02:12:47
June 24 2014 01:42 GMT
#16664
I think the range of observation haki of someone who isn't Enel is in the hundred meters range. I base this on the fact that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji were able to sense Caribou's presence in Ryugu castle when he was attacking Shirahoshi despite being fairly far across the castle from it. Additionally Aisa could hear voices disappearing all over Upper Yard. However as to the maximum range of observation haki can't be too much more than that as Sanji was swimming around in the lake on Punk Hazard to find the samurai's torso which means he couldn't simply scan the whole lake. Of course the range probably differs based on levels of mastery of observation haki.

From what Sanji says as he's swimming, that is that "he's been using observation haki for some time", mean that people who have observation haki probably do not use it or at least use it at full strength all the time which renders them vulnerable to surprise attacks.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2014 01:47 GMT
#16665
They sensed his presence, but I think at the time they just sensed something akin to a wild animal, not that it was actually Caribou attacking the princess. Which makes me think that the farther the range, the less information they are actually able to gather with their Observation Haki... Which makes sense.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
June 24 2014 02:23 GMT
#16666
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?

"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 24 2014 02:25 GMT
#16667
On June 24 2014 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?


pro tip if its after friday theres nothing pointful happening in the thread
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
June 24 2014 02:27 GMT
#16668
On June 24 2014 11:25 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?


pro tip if its after friday theres nothing pointful happening in the thread

Well, we lasted the two week break without anything tooo bad(Either that or in my state of One Piece deprived depression I blocked it out) So my hopes were higher then normal with just the normal one week interval T.T
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
June 24 2014 02:33 GMT
#16669
On June 24 2014 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?


Not as pointless as the Rokushiki vs. Haki or the Enel power level debates.
As for Sanji, I don't think we'll see much of him until the action dies down. It will be bad pacing for Oda to cut to another storyline when things are really escalating. I personally don't think he's in much trouble. People underestimate Sanji a lot but he's very good at slipping away or sneaking about as we've seen in the Alabasta and Water 7 arcs.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 24 2014 02:39 GMT
#16670
On June 24 2014 11:33 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?


Not as pointless as the Rokushiki vs. Haki or the Enel power level debates.
As for Sanji, I don't think we'll see much of him until the action dies down. It will be bad pacing for Oda to cut to another storyline when things are really escalating. I personally don't think he's in much trouble. People underestimate Sanji a lot but he's very good at slipping away or sneaking about as we've seen in the Alabasta and Water 7 arcs.

i think "who would win in a fight against rebecca and pel" is about as pointless as it gets
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
June 24 2014 02:43 GMT
#16671
I'd put "is gas a state a matter or a 'thing'?" as a strong contender.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 02:46:27
June 24 2014 02:45 GMT
#16672
On June 24 2014 11:33 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 11:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I was all excitied when I checked my subscribed thread tab and say 84 new posts in this thread.. Boy was that fucking disappointing. Has to have been one of the most pointless arguments I've ever had the displeasure of reading(Though I only read the first bit of it.).

Can't fucking wait for this week's chapter though... Maybe we will finally get a glimpse into wtf Sanji has been up too?


Not as pointless as the Rokushiki vs. Haki or the Enel power level debates.
As for Sanji, I don't think we'll see much of him until the action dies down. It will be bad pacing for Oda to cut to another storyline when things are really escalating. I personally don't think he's in much trouble. People underestimate Sanji a lot but he's very good at slipping away or sneaking about as we've seen in the Alabasta and Water 7 arcs.

I don't think he's in trouble at all. I think much like in previous arcs when he disappears or just isn't a part of the main action he is going to show up with a critical thing for them to win.

Considering he is the third piece of the monster trio I agree people don't give him enough credit any more. Which is understandable since he hasn't really done anything notable in the new world yet. I'm expecting big things from him when he does show up.

Also I think this calls for a poll "Most useless argument in this thread ever." I'm just too lazy to make it..
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 24 2014 03:18 GMT
#16673
Poll: Most Useless Argument in this Thread Ever

Is gas a state of matter or a 'thing'? (5)
 
36%

Is Enel invincible? aka rei vs the world (3)
 
21%

where is it ever stated that Rokushiki is not haki anyway? -Forikorder (3)
 
21%

New strawhat crew member aka can rebecca beat pell in a fight? aka lecture on ballistic physics (1)
 
7%

Is Franky the third member of the monster trio because lasers? Sanji's weak, right? (1)
 
7%

Fuck mangapanda. (1)
 
7%

How does armament haki actually work? Only against logia? Against everyone but Buggy? (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Most Useless Argument in this Thread Ever

(Vote): Is Enel invincible? aka rei vs the world
(Vote): New strawhat crew member aka can rebecca beat pell in a fight? aka lecture on ballistic physics
(Vote): Is Franky the third member of the monster trio because lasers? Sanji's weak, right?
(Vote): where is it ever stated that Rokushiki is not haki anyway? -Forikorder
(Vote): Is gas a state of matter or a 'thing'?
(Vote): Fuck mangapanda.
(Vote): How does armament haki actually work? Only against logia? Against everyone but Buggy?

Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 24 2014 03:30 GMT
#16674
i feel compelled to state that my stance has always been gas is both a state of matter and a thing
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
June 24 2014 03:47 GMT
#16675
Fuck mangapanda wasn't a useless argument lol. What was there to argue anyway.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 24 2014 04:10 GMT
#16676
On June 24 2014 12:47 vndestiny wrote:
Fuck mangapanda wasn't a useless argument lol. What was there to argue anyway.


There was nothing to argue, which was why it was useless. I guess it wasn't really an argument, more of a pitchforking, but I included it anyway as an important landmark of this thread.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 04:47:08
June 24 2014 04:43 GMT
#16677
On June 24 2014 12:30 Forikorder wrote:
i feel compelled to state that my stance has always been gas is both a state of matter and a thing

Riiiiiight...
On January 01 2013 16:10 Forikorder wrote:
noone will ever have a solid solid fruit becuase solid is not an actual thing its a state. gas is an actual thing solid is not. same deal with the liquid liquid fruit.



I also like the description of the Rebecca vs Pell thing. Made me chuckle.

I also remember there was some argument about how strong Ace was, and some dude ranking the Whitebeard Pirate Commanders based on which Division they were in charge of. That was pretty funny IIRC. And I remember some dude here going ham, accusing all marines of being evil facists.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
June 24 2014 04:47 GMT
#16678
Wow... I actually read the whole thing, after I comment I like Kinemon in strawhat crew. . .which is page 830.


It feels like arguing for the sake of arguing, writing positive points to justify ur argument.

Like Old world is paradise therefore Strong people like MR.1 or Cp9 Kaku , Enel has no chance in the new world. Every cannon fodder is as strong as them.

This is clearly a biased justification to justify ur argument.

You never noe how Oda going to reintroduce Strong character back into storyline, we can only guess. He could reintroduce CP9 after 2 years become strong, and able to fight on par with strawhat just like the CP9 saga. or maybe he will reintroduce them as fodder to show how strong new world is. This is just a guess.

But I am pretty sure Mr.1 and crocrodile going back to New world is not a fodder . Who is with me? I like Mr.1 and crocrodile <3 <3 <3 . There must have some storyline and character development involved I cant wait . .

Rebbeca has only fight some no name fodder, and it is Habuka who destroyed all the strong fighters. Rebbeca has "dodge" Hakuba attack (which is no luck), and then win in this circumstances. This is too open ended.. ..therefore there are people arguing because of Hakuba there it made things easier for Rebbeca to win.

Anyway, I just wan to see the swordsman trio, u noe, Ice sword, 2 sword fire sword, and 3 sword Zoro, killing shit together again..

And Kinemon technique is actually named, right? When he use his 2 sword fire style. And he is a strong samurai from renowned ...ancient samurai world? Wano I tink . . His backstory is nice too . . I just wan to see more of them fighting together.

Actually come to tink of it, I dont really mind if Kinemon join Strawhat or not, just wanna see some Kinemon action will satisfy me. Maybe he could teach Zoro firesword skill . or hand Zoro the fire sword. Zoro always wanted a fire sword right?
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 24 2014 04:56 GMT
#16679
lmao i can't even believe that rebecca being weak was actually something which was argued.

she's clearly fucking strong i can't believe people still deny it


i also think she'll take out diamante before dressroaa finishes btw
maru lover forever
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 05:09:56
June 24 2014 05:08 GMT
#16680
On June 24 2014 13:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow... I actually read the whole thing, after I comment I like Kinemon in strawhat crew. . .which is page 830.


It feels like arguing for the sake of arguing, writing positive points to justify ur argument.

Like Old world is paradise therefore Strong people like MR.1 or Cp9 Kaku , Enel has no chance in the new world. Every cannon fodder is as strong as them.

This is clearly a biased justification to justify ur argument.

You never noe how Oda going to reintroduce Strong character back into storyline, we can only guess. He could reintroduce CP9 after 2 years become strong, and able to fight on par with strawhat just like the CP9 saga. or maybe he will reintroduce them as fodder to show how strong new world is. This is just a guess.


But I am pretty sure Mr.1 and crocrodile going back to New world is not a fodder . Who is with me? I like Mr.1 and crocrodile <3 <3 <3 . There must have some storyline and character development involved I cant wait . .

Rebbeca has only fight some no name fodder, and it is Habuka who destroyed all the strong fighters. Rebbeca has "dodge" Hakuba attack (which is no luck), and then win in this circumstances. This is too open ended.. ..therefore there are people arguing because of Hakuba there it made things easier for Rebbeca to win.

Anyway, I just wan to see the swordsman trio, u noe, Ice sword, 2 sword fire sword, and 3 sword Zoro, killing shit together again..

And Kinemon technique is actually named, right? When he use his 2 sword fire style. And he is a strong samurai from renowned ...ancient samurai world? Wano I tink . . His backstory is nice too . . I just wan to see more of them fighting together.

Actually come to tink of it, I dont really mind if Kinemon join Strawhat or not, just wanna see some Kinemon action will satisfy me. Maybe he could teach Zoro firesword skill . or hand Zoro the fire sword. Zoro always wanted a fire sword right?



Well you are misconstruing the argument. The argument is that as they were when they appeared they wouldn't last in the New World (neither would the straw hats at that point in time either). No one said they can't also grow in power and appear later. Power isn't static.


On June 24 2014 13:56 Incognoto wrote:
lmao i can't even believe that rebecca being weak was actually something which was argued.

she's clearly fucking strong i can't believe people still deny it


i also think she'll take out diamante before dressroaa finishes btw



Why would Oda have Rebecca take out anyone of significance? This is the time for the SH to make their move so they obviously will be doing most of the heavy lifting, plus there is a hoard of pissed off strong guys itching to fight DF and his crew. She might encounter him yes, but most likely in a way where he insults her more and she attacks but fails then Luffy or someone (Kuros?) takes him out.
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