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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 01:13:58
April 17 2014 01:02 GMT
#15081
I can't believe you people are arguing about what is and what isn't honor. Honor is me torturing myself to watch Card Captor Sakura as part of a deal to get Nagisama to read Muv-Luv: Alternative. Anything else need not apply.

Also, DD is running a business, the Colosseum included. Offering fake prizes there would ruin his reputation as a business dealer. It has nothing to do with how "honorable" someone is, so I have no idea how this topic even came up. DD isn't stupid enough to ruin everything he has going for him over an event he thinks he will easily win anyway.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 01:45:14
April 17 2014 01:34 GMT
#15082
On April 17 2014 09:18 rei wrote:

And there we go.

When the fruit was first revealed I was wondering if it was even real or a fake. If it was fake from the start and DD never had the fruit then he would have to make a tournament where his men were guaranteed to win. That's the scenario I could see a fake fruit working. I did suggest reputation as a counter point earlier, but we got the honor trolling.

Either way the arena odds were supposed to be stacked in such a way to guarantee Diamante would win, more of DD's men were supposed to participate and maybe there was some rigging that never happened because Sabo destroyed the arena.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 17 2014 02:00 GMT
#15083
On April 17 2014 10:34 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 09:18 rei wrote:

And there we go.

When the fruit was first revealed I was wondering if it was even real or a fake. If it was fake from the start and DD never had the fruit then he would have to make a tournament where his men were guaranteed to win. That's the scenario I could see a fake fruit working. I did suggest reputation as a counter point earlier, but we got the honor trolling.

Either way the arena odds were supposed to be stacked in such a way to guarantee Diamante would win, more of DD's men were supposed to participate and maybe there was some rigging that never happened because Sabo destroyed the arena.

just keep editing and keep thinking about it, you will get it eventually. at this point i don't need to keep bashing a dead horse.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 17 2014 02:45 GMT
#15084
I'm aware of both Forikorder and you being called trolls a lot in this thread, but I still wanted my own go at it. Even you replying to Sentenal saying you weren't a troll just nobody can refute your points. Though at least Forikorder's arguments just seem dumb or incorrect rather than intentionally dishonest and off topic.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 02:51:24
April 17 2014 02:51 GMT
#15085
ad hominem
How about you stop being off topic and talk about trolling and get back on topic about one piece?
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 03:35:23
April 17 2014 03:28 GMT
#15086
On April 16 2014 17:06 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 16:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 16 2014 16:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it seem like there have been way more breaks than usual this year?
There was that 3 week break in winter....


There are rumors of Oda's health not being as good as it was, since he overworks himself


That's why breaks are fundamentally a good thing.



This however does not mean I have to enjoy not having One Piece this week.

BUt yes Oda take a well deserved break.

On April 17 2014 11:45 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm aware of both Forikorder and you being called trolls a lot in this thread, but I still wanted my own go at it. Even you replying to Sentenal saying you weren't a troll just nobody can refute your points. Though at least Forikorder's arguments just seem dumb or incorrect rather than intentionally dishonest and off topic.


I'm not going to say anymore about it than this. Rei and fork are yes trolls but this time rei has a point.
DD has honorable points to him but because he has dishonorable points this means he is not honorable.
Nobody is perfect. Some people strive for it more than others.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 03:29:44
April 17 2014 03:28 GMT
#15087
It's appropriate when you reply with just a smiley face and the "keep editing and thinking about it, you will get it eventually." Plus all your previous points about honor were just to muddle any meaning the word honor even proclaiming there is no such thing as honor when you were initially arguing that DD wouldn't do something because honor.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 03:39:08
April 17 2014 03:36 GMT
#15088
When it comes down to it, whether DD's version of "honor" matches our own personal definition of the word is irrelevant. This entire trollfest has shown just how subjective the word is, with DD being honorable to some, and dishonorable to others. But in light of this context, of what rei originally said ("Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards"), the only question that matters is if DD considers himself to be "honorable" or not. And then it opens up a whole new bag of worms as to what his code of honor actually is, if he does. But seeing as how we can't really pick DD's brain due to him being a fictional character, we just have to rely on our own interpretation. Which again, brings us back to the subjectivity of the entire argument, thus making this a pointless, never ending cycle.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
April 17 2014 04:29 GMT
#15089
On April 17 2014 12:36 Sentenal wrote:
When it comes down to it, whether DD's version of "honor" matches our own personal definition of the word is irrelevant. This entire trollfest has shown just how subjective the word is, with DD being honorable to some, and dishonorable to others. But in light of this context, of what rei originally said ("Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards"), the only question that matters is if DD considers himself to be "honorable" or not. And then it opens up a whole new bag of worms as to what his code of honor actually is, if he does. But seeing as how we can't really pick DD's brain due to him being a fictional character, we just have to rely on our own interpretation. Which again, brings us back to the subjectivity of the entire argument, thus making this a pointless, never ending cycle.

You're forgetting the part where even if we had solid proof from Oda, "Oda is wrong" then comes into play, making it all pointless regardless.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 11:58:40
April 17 2014 11:58 GMT
#15090
Oh good, I didnt realise discussing subjective things was pointless, should we just close this thread then?
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
April 17 2014 14:53 GMT
#15091
I think with regards to why the Fire Fruit was real to begin with is not about DD Cheating about the existence of the prize to begin with.

One, only 4 champions will arise from the group stages. Afterwards, they will be stacked against each other and DD's champion right?

Not only that, DD's power is that of a puppeteer and you can't see the strings. So basically, in the worst case scenario, should the flow of the coliseum fights not go his way, he could always interrupt from afar to manipulate the outcome of the fight to have his combatant edge out in the end.

But all of this was prevented from becoming a reality with the SH/Law interruption to DD and the dwarves attacking the smile factory. So he needed to be aware of 3 fronts now.

That's my take on it. It's not really an issue of honor since I see it that DD had enough foresight to give himself enough leeway that he had his side have the odds in favor on his side in his coliseum.

My two cents.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 17 2014 14:55 GMT
#15092
On April 17 2014 12:36 Sentenal wrote:
When it comes down to it, whether DD's version of "honor" matches our own personal definition of the word is irrelevant. This entire trollfest has shown just how subjective the word is, with DD being honorable to some, and dishonorable to others. But in light of this context, of what rei originally said ("Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards"), the only question that matters is if DD considers himself to be "honorable" or not. And then it opens up a whole new bag of worms as to what his code of honor actually is, if he does. But seeing as how we can't really pick DD's brain due to him being a fictional character, we just have to rely on our own interpretation. Which again, brings us back to the subjectivity of the entire argument, thus making this a pointless, never ending cycle.


We actually know a lot about Donflamingo's world view. Just check out his speech during the Marine Fort Arc


He doesn't believe in absolute justice, right and wrong, you can infer that he will do whatever it takes for any objectives, and he thinks the end will justify the means.

There are clues as to what Donflamingo is to his crews. Compare Monet's death with how Zorro took all luffy's damage in order to keep Kuma away, or took his own eye and bow down to Mihawk in order to gain power to support luffy's quest. Both Monet and Zorro aren't sacrificing themselves out of fear, but they are willing to do it because they believe that person is more important than their own lives and ambitions.

Then there are Donflamingo's trust in his crew, and he looks after his own crewmates. Remember Baby5 keeps getting trick into stupid marriages? and how mingo keeps going around and killing all of the people that takes advantage of her? and He didn't kill Bellemy or law when he could have done so for all their failures, he even kept law's seat as part of his crew.

Another clue is law's objectives in this whole operation. The intimidate objective: He wants to force Mingo to be the target of Kaido by making kaido angry at Mingo.(if he wanted to do Mingo in, he would not have the need to go after the factory, just go straight after Mingo first and then deal with the factories after Mingo is defeated.) and Law's long term objective? he team up with luffy to take down Kaido. Now why would he needed the first objective to fuck over mingo in the first place? If he wanted to take down Kaido why go after Mingo? If you put these together, it's obvious that he wants Mingo to join forces with him and luffy when they face Kaido. Now how does this explain how it's a clue to Mingo's character? Law knows Mingo will do whatever it takes to achieve an objective, so if Kaido becomes a problem for Mingo, he will do whatever it takes, when it comes down to it even if he has to team up with the people who fucked him over in the first place. If law thinks Mingo's type of guy that's as short sighted as to not team up with him to deal with Kaido because of the whole destroying factory thing, he would have never started this operation.

GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
April 17 2014 16:04 GMT
#15093
On April 17 2014 23:55 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 12:36 Sentenal wrote:
When it comes down to it, whether DD's version of "honor" matches our own personal definition of the word is irrelevant. This entire trollfest has shown just how subjective the word is, with DD being honorable to some, and dishonorable to others. But in light of this context, of what rei originally said ("Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards"), the only question that matters is if DD considers himself to be "honorable" or not. And then it opens up a whole new bag of worms as to what his code of honor actually is, if he does. But seeing as how we can't really pick DD's brain due to him being a fictional character, we just have to rely on our own interpretation. Which again, brings us back to the subjectivity of the entire argument, thus making this a pointless, never ending cycle.


We actually know a lot about Donflamingo's world view. Just check out his speech during the Marine Fort Arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbZcCIXkXY

He doesn't believe in absolute justice, right and wrong, you can infer that he will do whatever it takes for any objectives, and he thinks the end will justify the means.

There are clues as to what Donflamingo is to his crews. Compare Monet's death with how Zorro took all luffy's damage in order to keep Kuma away, or took his own eye and bow down to Mihawk in order to gain power to support luffy's quest. Both Monet and Zorro aren't sacrificing themselves out of fear, but they are willing to do it because they believe that person is more important than their own lives and ambitions.

Then there are Donflamingo's trust in his crew, and he looks after his own crewmates. Remember Baby5 keeps getting trick into stupid marriages? and how mingo keeps going around and killing all of the people that takes advantage of her? and He didn't kill Bellemy or law when he could have done so for all their failures, he even kept law's seat as part of his crew.

Another clue is law's objectives in this whole operation. The intimidate objective: He wants to force Mingo to be the target of Kaido by making kaido angry at Mingo.(if he wanted to do Mingo in, he would not have the need to go after the factory, just go straight after Mingo first and then deal with the factories after Mingo is defeated.) and Law's long term objective? he team up with luffy to take down Kaido. Now why would he needed the first objective to fuck over mingo in the first place? If he wanted to take down Kaido why go after Mingo? If you put these together, it's obvious that he wants Mingo to join forces with him and luffy when they face Kaido. Now how does this explain how it's a clue to Mingo's character? Law knows Mingo will do whatever it takes to achieve an objective, so if Kaido becomes a problem for Mingo, he will do whatever it takes, when it comes down to it even if he has to team up with the people who fucked him over in the first place. If law thinks Mingo's type of guy that's as short sighted as to not team up with him to deal with Kaido because of the whole destroying factory thing, he would have never started this operation.



And the cycle continues.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 17 2014 16:23 GMT
#15094
What the fuck are you guys up to
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
April 17 2014 16:25 GMT
#15095
We're going crazy with the lack of One Piece.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 17 2014 16:40 GMT
#15096
I also agree with rei.

Doflamingo is definitely an honorable person. He does whatever he can in order to keep his promise to Kaidou. Only honorable person can do something like this.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 17 2014 16:50 GMT
#15097
Does someone actually read these walls of text? Go read other manga or the Bleach thread, much more fun to be had.
Revolutionist fan
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
April 17 2014 16:50 GMT
#15098
I think the real debate here is whether to spell it Honor or Honour.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 17 2014 16:52 GMT
#15099
On April 18 2014 01:50 GettingIt wrote:
I think the real debate here is whether to spell it Honor or Honour.


Hodor!
Revolutionist fan
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 17 2014 16:56 GMT
#15100
On April 18 2014 01:40 Mensol wrote:
I also agree with rei.

Doflamingo is definitely an honorable person. He does whatever he can in order to keep his promise to Kaidou. Only honorable person can do something like this.

id say honorable is strong for Doflamingo but i wouldnt say hes a dishonourable person
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