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On April 16 2014 13:57 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 13:56 betaflame wrote:On April 16 2014 13:27 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 13:14 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 13:13 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So DD told King Riku he could buy his kingdom back if he got enough money when DD himself knew that would be impossible, but let him try and fail miserably anyway? Thats sounds pretty scummy to me. noone said honor cant be scummy look up lawful evil Scummy behavior is not worth honor Scummy behavior is subjective  So is honor. Therefore this entire discussion is based on how everyone individually views morality, and therefore pointless.
Thus why you should not participate in the discussion. Eventually they will figure that out.
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On April 16 2014 14:17 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 13:57 Zooper31 wrote:On April 16 2014 13:56 betaflame wrote:On April 16 2014 13:27 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 13:14 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 13:13 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So DD told King Riku he could buy his kingdom back if he got enough money when DD himself knew that would be impossible, but let him try and fail miserably anyway? Thats sounds pretty scummy to me. noone said honor cant be scummy look up lawful evil Scummy behavior is not worth honor Scummy behavior is subjective  So is honor. Therefore this entire discussion is based on how everyone individually views morality, and therefore pointless. Thus why you should not participate in the discussion. Eventually they will figure that out.
I move that we no longer discuss the honorability of characters from One Piece here on out with out the words "in my opinion."
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On April 16 2014 13:57 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 13:56 betaflame wrote:On April 16 2014 13:27 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 13:14 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 13:13 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So DD told King Riku he could buy his kingdom back if he got enough money when DD himself knew that would be impossible, but let him try and fail miserably anyway? Thats sounds pretty scummy to me. noone said honor cant be scummy look up lawful evil Scummy behavior is not worth honor Scummy behavior is subjective  So is honor. Therefore this entire discussion is based on how everyone individually views morality, and therefore pointless.
Actually I think true honor is the opposite of subjective. There are honorable actions and there are actions that aren't honorable. Though laying down the ground-work for what is honorable and what isn't would be a tedious task at best.
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On April 16 2014 14:28 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 13:57 Zooper31 wrote:On April 16 2014 13:56 betaflame wrote:On April 16 2014 13:27 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 13:14 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 13:13 GettingIt wrote:On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So DD told King Riku he could buy his kingdom back if he got enough money when DD himself knew that would be impossible, but let him try and fail miserably anyway? Thats sounds pretty scummy to me. noone said honor cant be scummy look up lawful evil Scummy behavior is not worth honor Scummy behavior is subjective  So is honor. Therefore this entire discussion is based on how everyone individually views morality, and therefore pointless. Actually I think true honor is the opposite of subjective. There are honorable actions and there are actions that aren't honorable. Though laying down the ground-work for what is honorable and what isn't would be a tedious task at best. the problem is lack of objectivity people use there own moral compass and anything against it is unhonourable and anything for it is honourable
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So today no one piece?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
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I'm confused, there's totally Bleach and Naruto. Are we sure there's no One Piece?
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It's not Golden Week. One Piece is on break.
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Why does it seem like there have been way more breaks than usual this year? There was that 3 week break in winter....
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It's fine considering how good the story is.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On April 16 2014 16:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does it seem like there have been way more breaks than usual this year? There was that 3 week break in winter....
There are rumors of Oda's health not being as good as it was, since he overworks himself
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On April 16 2014 16:59 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 16:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does it seem like there have been way more breaks than usual this year? There was that 3 week break in winter.... There are rumors of Oda's health not being as good as it was, since he overworks himself 
That's why breaks are fundamentally a good thing.
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On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So if King Riku did have 10 billion beli than DD would have let King Riku keep Dressrosa? No of course not. If DD had made a mistake and King Riku actually did that much money DD would have just made it 20 billion beli. The entire point of the money was to get King Riku to go outside with his men and take money from his citizens so DD could betray King Riku while he was doing it and make Riku massacre his own citizens.
DD did lie to Law very clearly over the telephone. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/7
DD also lied to the world with the newspaper. What kind of argument is it to say since DD didn't say it the newspaper said makes it not a lie? DD told the newspaper to print the lie because he has that sort of influence.
As for the fruit DD messed up. He cheats in other places so it's not out of character for him to cheat in the arena even though he didn't. They were planning to have more than Diamante participate in the tournament, but the factory attack pulled men.
Oohh DD won't cheat because he is honorable. What is honorable though is entirely subjective as long as people look trust DD it means he is honorable. So cheating and lying can be honorable so wtf is the point of using the word honor?
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So is there one next week or is next week golden week? I don't think I can handle a two week break right now.. Break, Chapter, break is going to be tough enough D:
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It's break this week, One piece next week, then Golden week and presumably One Piece again.
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break right before golden week
wow
that's so smart so it's like two breaks in one. wow
oda-sensei rest well plz
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On April 16 2014 23:05 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So if King Riku did have 10 billion beli than DD would have let King Riku keep Dressrosa? No of course not. If DD had made a mistake and King Riku actually did that much money DD would have just made it 20 billion beli. The entire point of the money was to get King Riku to go outside with his men and take money from his citizens so DD could betray King Riku while he was doing it and make Riku massacre his own citizens. DD did lie to Law very clearly over the telephone. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/7DD also lied to the world with the newspaper. What kind of argument is it to say since DD didn't say it the newspaper said makes it not a lie? DD told the newspaper to print the lie because he has that sort of influence. As for the fruit DD messed up. He cheats in other places so it's not out of character for him to cheat in the arena even though he didn't. They were planning to have more than Diamante participate in the tournament, but the factory attack pulled men. Oohh DD won't cheat because he is honorable. What is honorable though is entirely subjective as long as people look trust DD it means he is honorable. So cheating and lying can be honorable so wtf is the point of using the word honor?
i don't think you get it, there is no such thing as honor, it's fake, it's made up by people, like Santa, and Jesus, or your constitutional rights. All of them aren't real things, they are only in people's head, you can't touch it, you can't taste it. They are merely ideas people came up with. Just because millions of people believe in Jesus doesn't make it real. But rights are real... If you think your rights are real then let me direct you here Rights are not rights when they can be taken away at any time without provocation.
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And I don't think you get what I'm saying. You're trying argue a point by saying DD is honorable yet at the same time argue honor is subjective word in order to justify DD being honorable. You make your own argument pointless by doing so.
On April 14 2014 11:51 rei wrote: Doflamingo is a honorable person who would never cheat his combatants of his coliseum out of their fight rewards. Even evil people have a code that they follow, he's not as low as to put out something fake, he would lose all credibility in the underworld if he hadn't been good for his words. On top of that he didn't plan on allowing anyone that's not a toy walking out of that coliseum in the first place. (he didn't say anything about not killing the person who won the fruit and regain the fruit afterward)
If the word is pointless than just show DD isn't the kind of person who would cheat people. Though as I've pointed out he has history of lying and backstabbing. So it wouldn't be out of character to cheat in the arena even though he didn't. Diamante did say they didn't plan on giving away the fruit and it was planned for more DD members to participate.
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On April 17 2014 08:36 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 23:05 BlackMagister wrote:On April 16 2014 11:58 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2014 03:06 BlackMagister wrote: How the heck are you interpreting someone who lies to win as someone who plays straight up? His big wins were vs King Riku and Law both involved really big lies. he didnt lie to Riku if he had gathered the money he would ahve given up, he just ensured it was impossible to get the money same here he didnt lie about the fire fruit he just had his best man guarding it and he never told law hed resign he just had the newspaper print false information and never corrected it (besides again Law is trying to destroy everything DD has built up and probably kill him lying to him isnt that big a deal) So if King Riku did have 10 billion beli than DD would have let King Riku keep Dressrosa? No of course not. If DD had made a mistake and King Riku actually did that much money DD would have just made it 20 billion beli. The entire point of the money was to get King Riku to go outside with his men and take money from his citizens so DD could betray King Riku while he was doing it and make Riku massacre his own citizens. DD did lie to Law very clearly over the telephone. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/7DD also lied to the world with the newspaper. What kind of argument is it to say since DD didn't say it the newspaper said makes it not a lie? DD told the newspaper to print the lie because he has that sort of influence. As for the fruit DD messed up. He cheats in other places so it's not out of character for him to cheat in the arena even though he didn't. They were planning to have more than Diamante participate in the tournament, but the factory attack pulled men. Oohh DD won't cheat because he is honorable. What is honorable though is entirely subjective as long as people look trust DD it means he is honorable. So cheating and lying can be honorable so wtf is the point of using the word honor? i don't think you get it, there is no such thing as honor, it's fake, it's made up by people, like Santa, and Jesus, or your constitutional rights. All of them aren't real things, they are only in people's head, you can't touch it, you can't taste it. They are merely ideas people came up with. Just because millions of people believe in Jesus doesn't make it real. But rights are real... If you think your rights are real then let me direct you here Rights are not rights when they can be taken away at any time without provocation. Right, we get that is the claim you're making, but the claim is wrong. Honour is a social construct, correct, but it also has nessacary and sufficient conditions so that we can separate it from say, "kindness", or "meanness"
What you are essentially saying is also a direct contradiction. You are claiming that DD has the property "honourable" and then you claim that "honourable" does not exist, as nothing that is socially constructed exists (apparently) So your original claim "DD is honourable" i.e. DD has the property "honourable" becomes "DD has a vacuous meaningless property" i.e. DD has...? you are ascribing no properties to him, because you are rejecting the very existence of the property you were trying to ascribe to him in the first place.
The whole "social constructs dont exist" is non-sense anyway. Something being constructed in no way stops it existing. Does football not exist? You are confusing so many topics, I dont really know where to start.
I would rather you stop talking about this, because it is a massive de-rail, and you are very wrong. Unfortunatly, not only are you very wrong, you are also very stubborn, and the amount of effort it would take to explain to you why you are wrong, would take more of my time than i could really be bothered to offer to you for free. So if you could just read my previous posts, think about the ridiculous claims you are making and conclude that this once you were mistaken, I would be much obliged.
Just to finally add one point: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/honour here is link to the definition of honour. It is a social construct, but it clearly exists, and I can clearly create statements with truth values based on this definition, and to reject that is folly. i.e. I can find examples which fit this, and examples with lie outside of this
Once again, I recommend you read Aristotle, who's rule of the golden mean might help you understand how seemingly subjective terms can have genuine meaning. His idea's have obviously been developed on a lot over the years, but he is a nice starting point if you are hung up over relativism.
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