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On October 04 2013 02:15 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 01:24 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 01:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:50 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 00:41 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:32 Incognoto wrote:
.. Not really. maybe Whitebeard but that's because he was the world's strongest man.
Look at the fight between Aokiji and Akainu. It completely transformed the island, that's for sure. But Punk Hazard is still there on the map. It even took on Caesar's weapons of mass destruction.
Unlike the Maxim, which would probably have actually knocked down Skyepia. For all I care Enel is just some weakling who ate a Logia fruit. I don't care about him. But that weakling, armed with his weapon, obtained the power to destroy an island.
That's my point. ^^
Um.. don't over think this and don't turn this into a mindless debate. this is all just my 2 euro cents they literally split the island in 2, if they really wanted to they could have destroyed the island, Aokiji could have just melted it if he wanted to since hed made of magma and he can only destroy the sky islands What is your reasoning behind this statement? they could ahve jsut reduced it to rubble if they can split it in 2 there strong enough to smash whats left wouldnt be very elegant but they could have literally taken punk hazard off the map I am not sure if you are trolling or just stupid. Neither of their powers would be fit to destroy land - quite the contrary actually. Nothing suggests that splitting the island in two was intended, but rather it would appear to be a side effect of their battle. you think magma is unfit to destroy an island? he could jsut melt it if he wants to and if they did it by accident that only shows what they could do on purpose
You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island.
On October 04 2013 04:08 flamewheel wrote:
Not really a valid assumption to make because one, the intent of the fight isn't to destroy the island (blah blah look at these side effects) and two, you don't know if it took ten days for the island to become what it is now. Just because the fight lasted ten days doesn't mean you can logically make that inference.
There is nothing that suggests that either Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island. White- and/or Blackbeard might be able to because of the Gura Gura fruit. If Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island it is safe to say that everyone at atleast their power level would be able to destroy an island, since neither of their fruits would be fit to do so.
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On October 04 2013 04:15 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 02:15 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 01:24 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 01:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:50 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 00:41 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:32 Incognoto wrote:
.. Not really. maybe Whitebeard but that's because he was the world's strongest man.
Look at the fight between Aokiji and Akainu. It completely transformed the island, that's for sure. But Punk Hazard is still there on the map. It even took on Caesar's weapons of mass destruction.
Unlike the Maxim, which would probably have actually knocked down Skyepia. For all I care Enel is just some weakling who ate a Logia fruit. I don't care about him. But that weakling, armed with his weapon, obtained the power to destroy an island.
That's my point. ^^
Um.. don't over think this and don't turn this into a mindless debate. this is all just my 2 euro cents they literally split the island in 2, if they really wanted to they could have destroyed the island, Aokiji could have just melted it if he wanted to since hed made of magma and he can only destroy the sky islands What is your reasoning behind this statement? they could ahve jsut reduced it to rubble if they can split it in 2 there strong enough to smash whats left wouldnt be very elegant but they could have literally taken punk hazard off the map I am not sure if you are trolling or just stupid. Neither of their powers would be fit to destroy land - quite the contrary actually. Nothing suggests that splitting the island in two was intended, but rather it would appear to be a side effect of their battle. you think magma is unfit to destroy an island? he could jsut melt it if he wants to and if they did it by accident that only shows what they could do on purpose You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island. Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 04:08 flamewheel wrote:
Not really a valid assumption to make because one, the intent of the fight isn't to destroy the island (blah blah look at these side effects) and two, you don't know if it took ten days for the island to become what it is now. Just because the fight lasted ten days doesn't mean you can logically make that inference. There is nothing that suggests that either Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island. White- and/or Blackbeard might be able to because of the Gura Gura fruit. If Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island it is safe to say that everyone at atleast their power level would be able to destroy an island, since neither of their fruits would be fit to do so.
yeah dont see how they would be able to destroy islands with ice and magma. for one magma hardens so the magmaguy just creates new islands while ice... I dont think ice can make anything explode.
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On October 04 2013 03:16 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 02:34 Mataza wrote:On October 04 2013 00:20 shell wrote:
Many DF's have the power to sink islands, does that make them ancient weapons?
Whitebeard could tsunami a continent and then shake it until oblivion!
Ace could burn everything
Aoikiji could ice it all up
BB could suck a island into his darkness
Fujitora could meteor smash a island
so?
Enel sucks just face it.. ;D A continent. As if there are more continents than one. There is the red line and then there is islands and the red line again. FYI Albasta is as big as Australia and Fishman Island is as big as Ireland. You've never seen an actual to-scale map of the world. There could be a Pangaea in the North Blue or something. Also, even though devil fruits can destroy islands, it would take a while. It took Aokiji and Akainu 10 days of fighting to "destroy" Punk Hazard. By that time everyone could just run away. A giant bomb is a lot more effective.
Give me a source on that please, as australia is pretty big. And even if ireland is still an island, I am pretty sure that it has space for several cities that are physically seperate, as in not in the same bubble.
It sounds highly unlikely to me.
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On October 04 2013 04:49 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 04:15 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 02:15 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 01:24 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 01:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:50 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 00:41 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:32 Incognoto wrote:
.. Not really. maybe Whitebeard but that's because he was the world's strongest man.
Look at the fight between Aokiji and Akainu. It completely transformed the island, that's for sure. But Punk Hazard is still there on the map. It even took on Caesar's weapons of mass destruction.
Unlike the Maxim, which would probably have actually knocked down Skyepia. For all I care Enel is just some weakling who ate a Logia fruit. I don't care about him. But that weakling, armed with his weapon, obtained the power to destroy an island.
That's my point. ^^
Um.. don't over think this and don't turn this into a mindless debate. this is all just my 2 euro cents they literally split the island in 2, if they really wanted to they could have destroyed the island, Aokiji could have just melted it if he wanted to since hed made of magma and he can only destroy the sky islands What is your reasoning behind this statement? they could ahve jsut reduced it to rubble if they can split it in 2 there strong enough to smash whats left wouldnt be very elegant but they could have literally taken punk hazard off the map I am not sure if you are trolling or just stupid. Neither of their powers would be fit to destroy land - quite the contrary actually. Nothing suggests that splitting the island in two was intended, but rather it would appear to be a side effect of their battle. you think magma is unfit to destroy an island? he could jsut melt it if he wants to and if they did it by accident that only shows what they could do on purpose You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island. On October 04 2013 04:08 flamewheel wrote:
Not really a valid assumption to make because one, the intent of the fight isn't to destroy the island (blah blah look at these side effects) and two, you don't know if it took ten days for the island to become what it is now. Just because the fight lasted ten days doesn't mean you can logically make that inference. There is nothing that suggests that either Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island. White- and/or Blackbeard might be able to because of the Gura Gura fruit. If Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island it is safe to say that everyone at atleast their power level would be able to destroy an island, since neither of their fruits would be fit to do so. yeah dont see how they would be able to destroy islands with ice and magma. for one magma hardens so the magmaguy just creates new islands while ice... I dont think ice can make anything explode.
An old method of mining is to heat stone up using fire and the pouring water on it. Making it break up.
Using an ice ability it would theoretically be possible to lower the temperature fast enough to shatter the stones making up the island. Worst case you repeat it after it heats up from the ambient heat again.
Not sure how soil is effected, though I guess you could create very strong winds to scrape it away.
As for reading this, when getting caught up I finally realised I could tilt the screen 90 degrees and not have to scroll or read tiny text any longer. Felt so stupid I hadn't been doing that for years.
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On October 04 2013 05:41 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 04:49 agahamsorr0w wrote:On October 04 2013 04:15 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 02:15 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 01:24 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 01:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:50 Prog455 wrote:On October 04 2013 00:41 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2013 00:32 Incognoto wrote:
.. Not really. maybe Whitebeard but that's because he was the world's strongest man.
Look at the fight between Aokiji and Akainu. It completely transformed the island, that's for sure. But Punk Hazard is still there on the map. It even took on Caesar's weapons of mass destruction.
Unlike the Maxim, which would probably have actually knocked down Skyepia. For all I care Enel is just some weakling who ate a Logia fruit. I don't care about him. But that weakling, armed with his weapon, obtained the power to destroy an island.
That's my point. ^^
Um.. don't over think this and don't turn this into a mindless debate. this is all just my 2 euro cents they literally split the island in 2, if they really wanted to they could have destroyed the island, Aokiji could have just melted it if he wanted to since hed made of magma and he can only destroy the sky islands What is your reasoning behind this statement? they could ahve jsut reduced it to rubble if they can split it in 2 there strong enough to smash whats left wouldnt be very elegant but they could have literally taken punk hazard off the map I am not sure if you are trolling or just stupid. Neither of their powers would be fit to destroy land - quite the contrary actually. Nothing suggests that splitting the island in two was intended, but rather it would appear to be a side effect of their battle. you think magma is unfit to destroy an island? he could jsut melt it if he wants to and if they did it by accident that only shows what they could do on purpose You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island. On October 04 2013 04:08 flamewheel wrote:
Not really a valid assumption to make because one, the intent of the fight isn't to destroy the island (blah blah look at these side effects) and two, you don't know if it took ten days for the island to become what it is now. Just because the fight lasted ten days doesn't mean you can logically make that inference. There is nothing that suggests that either Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island. White- and/or Blackbeard might be able to because of the Gura Gura fruit. If Aokiji or Akainu would be able to destroy an island it is safe to say that everyone at atleast their power level would be able to destroy an island, since neither of their fruits would be fit to do so. yeah dont see how they would be able to destroy islands with ice and magma. for one magma hardens so the magmaguy just creates new islands while ice... I dont think ice can make anything explode. An old method of mining is to heat stone up using fire and the pouring water on it. Making it break up. Using an ice ability it would theoretically be possible to lower the temperature fast enough to shatter the stones making up the island. Worst case you repeat it after it heats up from the ambient heat again. Not sure how soil is effected, though I guess you could create very strong winds to scrape it away. As for reading this, when getting caught up I finally realised I could tilt the screen 90 degrees and not have to scroll or read tiny text any longer. Felt so stupid I hadn't been doing that for years.
If you engulf stone in magma and pour water on it, you will have a bigger stone. In regards to freezing something to shatter it, you have to keep in mind that if you shatter something it does not disappear. It merely turns into smaller pieces.
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i hate what this thread turned into lol.
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Geology discussion you mean?
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Guys, the last time we started talking about science in a One Piece thread, Forikorder told me that Gas wasn't a state of matter. Be careful what you discuss here.
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SO back to current story: I recall Law getting his ass served to him by Donflamingo. Unless it's a ruse or he has some super plan, I can't imagine Sanji being stronger. I think he shouldn't be stronger than any of the 11 supernovas.
I thought we agreed a few pages back that science and fighting power in a Shonen is totally dependent on plot and not "realism".
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Is seems as though once DD was shown to be able to fake giving up his title Law got curious and played for information. I guess time too since he had to wait for the Sunny. Seemingly he was never in any 'real' danger.
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Sanji... ran all the way from Dressrosa to Green bit in like a minute.
How many miles is that?
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Who knows I don't think we have anything to give scale do we?
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On October 04 2013 11:36 Hyperbola wrote:Sanji... ran all the way from Dressrosa to Green bit in like a minute. How many miles is that?
Not surprising, his legs are strong enough to propel him into the sky and move in sea water. Running at immense speeds shouldn't be a problem.
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On October 04 2013 11:44 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 11:36 Hyperbola wrote:Sanji... ran all the way from Dressrosa to Green bit in like a minute. How many miles is that? Not surprising, his legs are strong enough to propel him into the sky and move in sea water. Running at immense speeds shouldn't be a problem.
I imagine running away from okamas for two years would make you pretty damn fast.
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You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island.
but its magic magma that would jsut disapear after its no longer important to the plot
its really a good question what happens to stuff that the devil fruit users create like what would happen if Akainu tried to create so much magma that it would like overcrowd the world or something
Guys, the last time we started talking about science in a One Piece thread, Forikorder told me that Gas wasn't a state of matter. Be careful what you discuss here.
no im pretty sure i never said that
SO back to current story: I recall Law getting his ass served to him by Donflamingo. Unless it's a ruse or he has some super plan, I can't imagine Sanji being stronger. I think he shouldn't be stronger than any of the 11 supernovas.
I thought we agreed a few pages back that science and fighting power in a Shonen is totally dependent on plot and not "realism".
his goal was to stall them since he escaped so easily he probably fought jsut hard enough to make it believable but not hard enough they accidently kill him
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On October 04 2013 12:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island. but its magic magma that would jsut disapear after its no longer important to the plot its really a good question what happens to stuff that the devil fruit users create like what would happen if Akainu tried to create so much magma that it would like overcrowd the world or something Show nested quote +
Guys, the last time we started talking about science in a One Piece thread, Forikorder told me that Gas wasn't a state of matter. Be careful what you discuss here.
no im pretty sure i never said that Show nested quote +
SO back to current story: I recall Law getting his ass served to him by Donflamingo. Unless it's a ruse or he has some super plan, I can't imagine Sanji being stronger. I think he shouldn't be stronger than any of the 11 supernovas.
I thought we agreed a few pages back that science and fighting power in a Shonen is totally dependent on plot and not "realism".
his goal was to stall them since he escaped so easily he probably fought jsut hard enough to make it believable but not hard enough they accidently kill him
Sure looks like it to me...
Forikorder wrote:
noone will ever have a solid solid fruit becuase solid is not an actual thing its a state
gas is an actual thing solid is not someone could have a stone stone fruit or a mud mud fruit or a sand sand fruit or a metal metal fruit but couldnt have a solid solid fruit the fruits are generally very specific, Magellan can only create poison, Luffy can only stretch, whitebeard can only create earthquakes Ace can only create fire Caeser can only create gas
same deal with the liquid liquid fruit someone could have a water water fruit or a blood blood fruit but not control over all liquids
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On October 04 2013 12:16 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:10 Forikorder wrote:You can't melt an island. Even if you could melt an island the amount of magma required to do so would eventually hardend and turn into a new island. but its magic magma that would jsut disapear after its no longer important to the plot its really a good question what happens to stuff that the devil fruit users create like what would happen if Akainu tried to create so much magma that it would like overcrowd the world or something
Guys, the last time we started talking about science in a One Piece thread, Forikorder told me that Gas wasn't a state of matter. Be careful what you discuss here.
no im pretty sure i never said that
SO back to current story: I recall Law getting his ass served to him by Donflamingo. Unless it's a ruse or he has some super plan, I can't imagine Sanji being stronger. I think he shouldn't be stronger than any of the 11 supernovas.
I thought we agreed a few pages back that science and fighting power in a Shonen is totally dependent on plot and not "realism".
his goal was to stall them since he escaped so easily he probably fought jsut hard enough to make it believable but not hard enough they accidently kill him Sure looks like it to me... Show nested quote +Forikorder wrote:
noone will ever have a solid solid fruit becuase solid is not an actual thing its a state
gas is an actual thing solid is not someone could have a stone stone fruit or a mud mud fruit or a sand sand fruit or a metal metal fruit but couldnt have a solid solid fruit the fruits are generally very specific, Magellan can only create poison, Luffy can only stretch, whitebeard can only create earthquakes Ace can only create fire Caeser can only create gas
same deal with the liquid liquid fruit someone could have a water water fruit or a blood blood fruit but not control over all liquids
i never said that Gas wasnt a state of matter just that gas isnt only a state of matter its also a thing that can be called gas
if someone saids "look a solid" or "look a liquid" you have no idea what hes talking about since there is a vast amount of solid and liquid things in the world if someone saids "look theres gas" you have a very good idea what hes talking about
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Except that's not what you said. Basically you were saying that Gas isn't a state of matter. Thus, "Forikorder told me that gas wasn't a state of matter."
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On October 04 2013 12:33 Sentenal wrote:
So... Basically you are saying that Gas isn't a state of matter. Which is what I said.
no thats the exact opposite of what im saying
if i grab a rock noones going to describe it as a solid there going to describe it as a rock
but if i fill a baloon with helium its going to be described as full of gas
gas is both a state of matter and a blanket term for everything in that state (or at least alot of things)
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You are really bad at language, aren't you? You can describe a rock as a solid, because that's what it is. You can describe water as a liquid, because that's what it is. You claimed "gas is an actual thing solid is not ". You didn't say it was both. This "it is both!!!" stuff is only something you are fabricating after the fact. Now, I realize this is a very embarrassing claim to make, and you probably wish you could have never said it because of that, but that doesn't change the fact of what you said.
But anyway, its pointless to continue this, since the facts are clear. Just wanted to warn people about talking about basic science you learn in elementary school, since some people might make some outrageous claims.
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