EPTNow that I think about the grand scheme of things for luffy, it seems that the WB war's ultimate purpose is to give luffy WB crew's full support on his future yonkou battle
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
Now that I think about the grand scheme of things for luffy, it seems that the WB war's ultimate purpose is to give luffy WB crew's full support on his future yonkou battle | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 28 2013 01:10 Mataza wrote: Just how new to this thread are you? Also if we're going by real world physics, then gravity should arguably be the strongest power(which may be Fujitora's power, but we cannot be sure). Gravity can accelerate objects in space(asteroids) to almost light speed, giving them the power to destroy planets. Anyway, thanks for already bringing up why Marco, the incredbile flying highlander, failed to singlehandedly beat the Marines and rescue Ace. His secret weakness must be the element of fist, I guess. This goes to show that Legendary is better than Mythical, Marine and Zoan respectively. Oda is awesome because of stuff like this. The way i remember it, Blackbeard Ordered Marco to retreat and lead the his men back to the moby dick during his first confrontation with Akainu during wich he was badly hurt. Marco flew in to protect him and held off Sakazuki but was given a strict order by his pop/captain to NOT intervene and to lead everyone to safety because he was intending to die and take marineford with him. then he split the earth in two so that he was left alone isolated with the marines and none of the division commanders intervened until Whitebeard told them to rally behind Luffy after the inmates arrival. might not be a hundred percent accurate but im going to reread the marineford volumes tonight, Marco arguably had the best results against the Ádmirals of all the WB pirates including whitebeard. He started of by lowering the marines morale notably by sending their strongest physical fighter Kizaru flying with one kick. During most of the war his job was to pretty much keep any admiral busy at any time, wich he succeeded at. He landed a few strong hits on Aokiji and coming out without a scratch, And he would have WON them the war by saving ace when he flew in and took a full force maigou from akainu through the chest without flinching or showing signs of damage. if it wasnt for Ace stubborn "í dont run from battles" policy he would have lived and the marines would have failed in front of the whole world watching. After Luffy freed Ace and Marco saved them both Whitebeard ordered them to retreat since they had achieved their goal. Then Akainu started hurling insults at whitebeard calling him a failure from a past era. This is when Ace fucked up and refused to leave, and Ace died in an attempt to replicate Marcos action by trying to take the hit for Luffy, getting his chest basicly pierced with a giant hot magma fist. At this point their cause was basicly lost plus the timely arrival of teach and his new recruits, and the top division commanders havinh to focus on protecting Luffy from Akainu who was lurking around underground tryinh to find an opening. Not counting WB the biggest heroes in the war (despite everything being in vain because ace fucked up and fell for cheap trashtalk from Sakazuki were: Luffy Jinbei Marco Ivankov The Garp filler i confused with marco was him intervening in the fight between BB and sengoku, knocking out burgess. Garp still became my favourite character during the war though... The "You better keep holding me down like that Sengoku, or else i am going to kill that damned Sakazuki]" after witnessing him murder Ace reduced me to tears and is still my favourite quote from the series. i dont doubt that Garp is like luffy; when he really gets pissed he can take out anyone and Akainu is just a rookie with a strong DF in comparison... Being able to knock down Marco wich no other admiral including akainu managed to do proves that he is still one of the top sharks around. EDIT:ranking characters against each others is pointless, but i still want to point out that most people severly underrate or dont give enough credit to these characters: Ivankov Marco Magellan Garp Kizaru Ivankov taking out the Cyborg empowered Kuma like some silly show, and taking a maigou hit head on. literary. Marco for being ranked top 3 under BB by the gorosei and actually saving ace and luffy wich people forget. Magellans DF is probably the Paramecia i would like to fight the least. He almost killed BB, they survived out of pure luck of brining antidotes. Garp for simply being funny, powerful and well writen (his mannerisms are so similiar to luffy you can really tell they are related. same logical fallacies  And finally kizaru because people seem to think he is weaker than the other 2 original marines when he is in fact just lazy but has powers that if used properly (and it happens sometimes) cannot be put within the same category as Kuzan (Light vs Ice, come on. the purest form of energy that exists vs a walking polar winter?) he is funny too, and the strongest physical/haki fighter among the 3 originals (kicks with the force of the collision speed of light imbued with haki... ouch) Akainu has massive AoE damage and lethal logia powers that destroy other logia users. Kuzan has the most strategical and defensive DF that makes him the ultimate support/crowd control weapon. he can move around on water and lets say freeze the ocean beneath an opposing fleet of ships, to freeze them in place for a strategic advantage, allowing you to form an optimal position against theirs without them being able to escape | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote: For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages. Just stop. Take it to PM or something. Why don't you do what I do and just anytime you see it is them writting something you just ignore and move to the next post. Be adult the frivolous debate between the two is annoying yes but every other post b******* about it is too. Just ignore it and you will be fine. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Goes on to do exactly that. Hilarious. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On September 27 2013 23:58 bittman wrote: Oh, all that is totally in the manga: http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-19/one-piece/chapter-567.html Yeah Garp is hard to pick, because we haven't really seen a full fight with him. I actually had high hopes he'd be a big player in the WB war, but he just had some cameos like the ones you mentioned. It's also super clear he's not as strong as he used to be. But then again WB was weaker too, and he was still OP as hell. EDIT: That clip also proves to me why I shouldn't watch the anime hahaha. Like 2 minutes vs 1.5 pages. Manga 4 life yo! Haha then yeah you haven't missed anything from what I can remember. I still love the animated medium so although it takes longer, there's some epic moments (and music) that works so well it's suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper worth it :D I think I've given up on ever getting to see the major players go all out or know their actual "power level", and I think the uncertainty has actually made it so much more interesting. I imagine it's to prevent them from overshadowing Luffy since it is his "Grand Adventure" after all! That said, if anyone ever wanted to go a dream fight á la Akuma vs Chameleon I'd sure watch it. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On September 28 2013 08:44 Mataza wrote: "It is pointless ranking characters by power" Goes on to do exactly that. Hilarious. keywords being ranking Saying that im ranking characters is applying your idea of power to my post. In OP you can be a key character in a group/organization not because of your fighting power but because of your unique abilities. Someone who can save their entire crew is equally important/powerful as someone who can blow up an entire enemy ship. a few examples: Mr 2: Bon Kurei during impel down arc Mr 3 during marineford. Aokiji stoping whitebeards Tsunamis Thats why you cant. for example. rank the Admirals in power. Because just because one of them is a stronger 1on1 physical fighter doesnt mean he is more powerful. Kizarus kicks might be the strongest hit but akainu still has the strongest AoE damage (scorched earth) and Aokiji is a master of crowd control. so they are all equal. that was the point of listing their individual unique strenghts. pay attention to what i actually wrote and drop your attitude, please. Writing "Look at this guy, im laughing so hard because he is stupid!" like you basicly did, is something you can get a warning for. And you never explained what a Legendary Zoan is. Moonfire: some characters have gone borderline "all out" i think. Whitebeard did after Aces death, but it was also important for Oda to have him live up to the "Strongest man in the world" title. Im sure Kuzan and Akainu went all out in their 10day fight, a shame we didnt get to see at least small bits of it!. Sengoku was sorta giving his everything against blackbeard because i imagine he was desperate to save marineford, and it pushed him into going into his DF form wich is kinda odd that he didnt do in the previous fight. That being said he looked pretty underwhelming. other than that, characters only go all out if they fight Luffy and he is about to beat them :/ | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
http://www1.watchop.com/watch/one-piece-episode-614-english-subbed/ wait im confused, did I forget to watch last week's episode and Zoro's epic scene was already aired last week?^^ seems like it's this one http://www1.watchop.com/watch/one-piece-episode-613-english-subbed/ | ||
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Elerris
Australia137 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
On September 29 2013 20:38 Elerris wrote: I wonder what the main characters would be like in 10 years, especially chopper. I'm sure Luffy, Sanji and Zoro would be on godlike levels, but I think seeing a matured Chopper with Haki smashing hoes left and right would be a sick sight. Luffy would probably be dead from his gear powers and vigor hormones. Sanji would probably too busy running his restaurant. And zoro would have probably lost his other eye and probably an arm or a leg. Haha, but really. Why would anyone dedicate 10 years of their life to fighting? One piece takes place over a very short period of time. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire cast settled down and went on with their lives by the end of next year or so (in one piece time of course). I mean once you reach the last island on the grand line, there isn't much else left, is there? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:38 Hyperbola wrote: Is it safe? Luffy would probably be dead from his gear powers and vigor hormones. Sanji would probably too busy running his restaurant. And zoro would have probably lost his other eye and probably an arm or a leg. Haha, but really. Why would anyone dedicate 10 years of their life to fighting? One piece takes place over a very short period of time. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire cast settled down and went on with their lives by the end of next year or so (in one piece time of course). I mean once you reach the last island on the grand line, there isn't much else left, is there? even ignoring that pretty much every character in one piece HAS dedicated there entire lives to fighting once Luffy reachs Raftel hell go look for some other adventure, Raftel only matters becuase it seems fun to reach it as soon as he does reach it hell keep looking for more adventures | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
was curious, does anyone know the name of the soundtrack during the loguetown flashback @ the start of the episode? | ||
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Soet
Sweden66 Posts
On September 30 2013 07:12 Incognoto wrote: some people in the thread said they liked episode 613 with zoro vs snow logia was curious, does anyone know the name of the soundtrack during the loguetown flashback @ the start of the episode? Uunan and the stone storage room. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
I really like him for not having a devil fruit! shanks and Rayleigh also are so OP but no DF! more macho points for them | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 30 2013 14:06 Soet wrote: Uunan and the stone storage room. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G77OKKTTmX4 Thanks! So sexy I've been looking for that one for a while. ^^ Yeah Garp is amazing. It's important to note that he and Sengoku were on par with the entire Blackbeard pirates at Marineford. ALL of them. That's right, the crew of the current Yonko, Blackbeard. Garp was also on par with the Pirate King. The more you think about it, the more amazing/strong Garp is. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On September 29 2013 03:04 sc2holar wrote: keywords being ranking Saying that im ranking characters is applying your idea of power to my post. In OP you can be a key character in a group/organization not because of your fighting power but because of your unique abilities. Someone who can save their entire crew is equally important/powerful as someone who can blow up an entire enemy ship. a few examples: Mr 2: Bon Kurei during impel down arc Mr 3 during marineford. Aokiji stoping whitebeards Tsunamis Thats why you cant. for example. rank the Admirals in power. Because just because one of them is a stronger 1on1 physical fighter doesnt mean he is more powerful. Kizarus kicks might be the strongest hit but akainu still has the strongest AoE damage (scorched earth) and Aokiji is a master of crowd control. so they are all equal. that was the point of listing their individual unique strenghts. pay attention to what i actually wrote and drop your attitude, please. Writing "Look at this guy, im laughing so hard because he is stupid!" like you basicly did, is something you can get a warning for. And you never explained what a Legendary Zoan is. Moonfire: some characters have gone borderline "all out" i think. Whitebeard did after Aces death, but it was also important for Oda to have him live up to the "Strongest man in the world" title. Im sure Kuzan and Akainu went all out in their 10day fight, a shame we didnt get to see at least small bits of it!. Sengoku was sorta giving his everything against blackbeard because i imagine he was desperate to save marineford, and it pushed him into going into his DF form wich is kinda odd that he didnt do in the previous fight. That being said he looked pretty underwhelming. other than that, characters only go all out if they fight Luffy and he is about to beat them :/ Hey, u are making this up to prove, or describe ur point/opinion/imagination in detail. When u use assumptions like Akainu have master crowd control. Kizaru has strong kick. Thus every1 has their own strong point therefore in the end they are equally balanced. It feels like MMORPG game design. Where all class/race have to be balanced. I tink every1 opinion is equally valid unless proven otherwise from valid sources.. Just like ghost? Keke, nobody can disprove the existence of ghost or, how they look. Because nobody seen it b4. "Look at this guy, im laughing so hard because he is stupid!" I tink the last 3 words is assumption too. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Legendary Marine. That's what respectively means. The list of adjectives apply in the same order to the list of nouns. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
The day that SH disbands I will cry so hard. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:32 BurningSera wrote: Blasphemy, the whole crew will go on their unlimited adventures in their world (remember there are different routes to get into Grand Line) and forever happily travelling together in future. They can get a bigger ship so that everyone can have their families on the ship. The day that SH disbands I will cry so hard. most likely if any of them do have familys theyd leave them on an island and jsut visit them instead of dragging thema round the world | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8947 Posts
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