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On September 27 2013 13:43 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic. but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close haha no, you are moving your hand through intanglible materia, hence it will pass through. but there is no way to punch a hole into a cloud, wtf. do you know what clouds are made of. its condenced water molecules. it doesnt matter how much force you use cause the cloud has zero friction. The molecules will always attract each others and reform because of the atoms in the water molecules are charged with magnetism. you can hit it with a steel mace, blunt attacks/weapons like fists only affect solid materia wich creates friction. same reason luffy is immune to normal punches unless there is haki involved that overrides his rubber element.
dont be stupid unless its a perfect vacuum theres always friction
with a powerful enough punch you could cause a tsunami with a powerful enough punch you could scatter the cloud to every part of the world
basically it comes down to 1 question does MArocs power work as a logia or not
if it does then its possible to use Haki to prevent the attack from passing through him and so damage him
if it doesnt then its possible that a powerful enough attack would be too much for his ability to recover so hed die
since he regenerates old wounds its almost certainly the second but it could be a combination of both
in any ways a powerful enough Haki blow would kill Marco regardless of how his fruit funtionc
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Goddamnit. The actual One Piece theorycraft arguments are bad enough, but at least on topic. Take this cloud bullshit to PMs please.
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For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something.
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On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something.
why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter
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On September 27 2013 13:48 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:
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In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing.
Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form.
i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic. but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close haha no, you are moving your hand through intanglible materia, hence it will pass through. but there is no way to punch a hole into a cloud, wtf. do you know what clouds are made of. its condenced water molecules. it doesnt matter how much force you use cause the cloud has zero friction. The molecules will always attract each others and reform because of the atoms in the water molecules are charged with magnetism. you can hit it with a steel mace, blunt attacks/weapons like fists only affect solid materia wich creates friction. same reason luffy is immune to normal punches unless there is haki involved that overrides his rubber element. dont be stupid unless its a perfect vacuum theres always friction with a powerful enough punch you could cause a tsunami with a powerful enough punch you could scatter the cloud to every part of the world basically it comes down to 1 question does MArocs power work as a logia or not if it does then its possible to use Haki to prevent the attack from passing through him and so damage him if it doesnt then its possible that a powerful enough attack would be too much for his ability to recover so hed die since he regenerates old wounds its almost certainly the second but it could be a combination of both in any ways a powerful enough Haki blow would kill Marco regardless of how his fruit funtionc
it doesnt work as a logia, logias cant use their element to heal damage they took during seastone.
It is however still intanglible (the blue flames), meaning regular attacks will just pass through like against a logia
Haki works different depending on the sort DF classes. Why would Arnament Haki affect Zoans? it works against humans with modified body compositions. Zoans dont have elemental/unnatural bodies. They turn into animals,
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On September 27 2013 14:01 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:48 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:
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i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared
conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die
no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic. but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close haha no, you are moving your hand through intanglible materia, hence it will pass through. but there is no way to punch a hole into a cloud, wtf. do you know what clouds are made of. its condenced water molecules. it doesnt matter how much force you use cause the cloud has zero friction. The molecules will always attract each others and reform because of the atoms in the water molecules are charged with magnetism. you can hit it with a steel mace, blunt attacks/weapons like fists only affect solid materia wich creates friction. same reason luffy is immune to normal punches unless there is haki involved that overrides his rubber element. dont be stupid unless its a perfect vacuum theres always friction with a powerful enough punch you could cause a tsunami with a powerful enough punch you could scatter the cloud to every part of the world basically it comes down to 1 question does MArocs power work as a logia or not if it does then its possible to use Haki to prevent the attack from passing through him and so damage him if it doesnt then its possible that a powerful enough attack would be too much for his ability to recover so hed die since he regenerates old wounds its almost certainly the second but it could be a combination of both in any ways a powerful enough Haki blow would kill Marco regardless of how his fruit funtionc it doesnt work as a logia, logias cant use their element to heal damage they took during seastone. It is however still intanglible (the blue flames), meaning regular attacks will just pass through like against a logia Haki works different depending on the sort DF classes. Why would Arnament Haki affect Zoans? it works against humans with modified body compositions. Zoans dont have elemental/unnatural bodies. They turn into animals,
your focusing on the wrong things
Marco definently gets attacked, and those attacks definently hit but he also doesnt seem to be affected
so either A) the attacks pass through exactly like a Logia or B) the damage from the attack just gets instantly healed (so either his fruit is a Logia + a Paramecia that isntantly heals wounds or just a paramecia that instantly heals wounds)
either way it then stands to reason that an attack powerful enough would be able to kill him despite his regeneration like if you managed to destroy every single scrap of fire
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On September 27 2013 14:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 14:01 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:48 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:
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Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out.
he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings.
pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic. but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close haha no, you are moving your hand through intanglible materia, hence it will pass through. but there is no way to punch a hole into a cloud, wtf. do you know what clouds are made of. its condenced water molecules. it doesnt matter how much force you use cause the cloud has zero friction. The molecules will always attract each others and reform because of the atoms in the water molecules are charged with magnetism. you can hit it with a steel mace, blunt attacks/weapons like fists only affect solid materia wich creates friction. same reason luffy is immune to normal punches unless there is haki involved that overrides his rubber element. dont be stupid unless its a perfect vacuum theres always friction with a powerful enough punch you could cause a tsunami with a powerful enough punch you could scatter the cloud to every part of the world basically it comes down to 1 question does MArocs power work as a logia or not if it does then its possible to use Haki to prevent the attack from passing through him and so damage him if it doesnt then its possible that a powerful enough attack would be too much for his ability to recover so hed die since he regenerates old wounds its almost certainly the second but it could be a combination of both in any ways a powerful enough Haki blow would kill Marco regardless of how his fruit funtionc it doesnt work as a logia, logias cant use their element to heal damage they took during seastone. It is however still intanglible (the blue flames), meaning regular attacks will just pass through like against a logia Haki works different depending on the sort DF classes. Why would Arnament Haki affect Zoans? it works against humans with modified body compositions. Zoans dont have elemental/unnatural bodies. They turn into animals, your focusing on the wrong things Marco definently gets attacked, and those attacks definently hit but he also doesnt seem to be affected so either A) the attacks pass through exactly like a Logia or B) the damage from the attack just gets instantly healed (so either his fruit is a Logia + a Paramecia that isntantly heals wounds or just a paramecia that instantly heals wounds) either way it then stands to reason that an attack powerful enough would be able to kill him despite his regeneration like if you managed to destroy every single scrap of fire
attacks pass through like a logia when he is in his phoenix form. phoenix form also allows him to heal.
but he can also use BH in his intanglible form (bird) wich i dont think logias can do.
so for we have yet to see a someone damage his fire at all.
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His Phoenix Form is deadly because he seems to be completley immune to at least elemental attacks due to total intanglibility, and he can also use Arnament Haki at the same time, basicly being able to hit with haki but not able to be be attacked back. plus he can fly.
this makes a counter to logias, they have no way to harm him but he can slash them with his claws and beak with haki.
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On September 27 2013 13:56 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something. why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter
this isnt discussion, this is arguing over pointless shit for no reason.
can a mod just temp ban these 2
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On September 27 2013 14:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something. why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter this isnt discussion, this is arguing over pointless shit for no reason. can a mod just temp ban these 2
Because there is nothing else to talk about. Its not we are preventing anyone else from bringing something up.
Feel free to talk about anything. if you dont intend to use the thread, stop complaining. like, if me and forik werent talking about this right now, noone would posst in the thread at all. how is that any better? call it ridiculous nitpicking, i call it nerdy obsessing over details in a manga we both obviously LOVE.
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On September 27 2013 14:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something. why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter this isnt discussion, this is arguing over pointless shit for no reason. can a mod just temp ban these 2
Discussion apparently is different from arguing.
I have no issues with them having this discussion, and in fact this discussion on what they're discussing is even more off-topic.
They're discussing One Piece in the One Piece thread. I'm sorry, maybe we should have 2 one piece threads. The discussion one and the one where we go "Sick chapter! See you all next week!"
The issue I have with the argument is that some of it is based on fiction. We don't know enough about the Phoenix form to be sure of anything.
Also, there have currently only been about 3 logias introduced that don't have haki. And they were weak enough that Marco could probably beat them without even going Phoenix (Croc, Enel, Caribou). The strongest logias can damage Marco as much as he can damage the strongest logias.
Though if you look at Akainu you'll see the breadth of his strength in that regard. "Damage" basically meant Akainu went "Oh this guy is a little annoying". Then again lavaman is a bit OP in OP in my rose-coloured eyes <3
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On September 27 2013 15:06 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 14:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 27 2013 13:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something. why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter this isnt discussion, this is arguing over pointless shit for no reason. can a mod just temp ban these 2 Because there is nothing else to talk about. Its not we are preventing anyone else from bringing something up. Feel free to talk about anything. if you dont intend to use the thread, stop complaining. like, if me and forik werent talking about this right now, noone would posst in the thread at all. how is that any better? call it ridiculous nitpicking, i call it nerdy obsessing over details in a manga we both obviously LOVE.
You are using the thread for a personal discussion. Stop it. You guys were both warned on the last page and completely ignored it from my point of view.
Take it to PMs, we can't have other discussions in here because 8/10 posts are you guys argueing with each other over something that will never happen or can't be proven. Several of us have asked you to stop alrdy, who knows how many are tired of it too but aren't willing to post.
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Lavaman? Lightman is so OP oda had to make him retarded to make the concept work. Concentrated beams of isolated light particles can reach much higher degrees than lava. and kizaru is like a sniper with extreme accuracy, taking out the key in luffys hand from the other side of marineford. oh and he can teleport around the earth by moving at the speed of light.
We dont if haki actually affects phoenix form marco at all though. as a mythical zoan, the rarest form of power, it might be completley unique and 100% intanglible, everything just passes through. If Mythical Zoans are meant to be accurate to the mythological creature in question, he should be invincible  and we have actually never seen a haki infused logia attack afaik (at least we have never seen one painted out in black so its not 100% confirmed). Logia can user other forms of haki thought and admirals are strong enough guys to hit you hard with their haki infused physical fist. i believe Kizaru likes to charge up his kicks at the speed of light and then release and activate haki,
also enel does have haki they just call it MANTRA. he had a level of observation haki unheard of since he left for his paradise
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On September 27 2013 15:58 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:06 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 14:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 27 2013 13:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:51 Incognoto wrote:
For Christ's sake, STOP arguing about something so frivolous. You're making the thread annoying to read by nit-picking every little detail like that, it's been going on for pages.
Just stop. Take it to PM or something. why are you expecting anything different so long after the chapter is released? if you dont like discussion like this then only follow the thread a day or two after each chapter this isnt discussion, this is arguing over pointless shit for no reason. can a mod just temp ban these 2 Because there is nothing else to talk about. Its not we are preventing anyone else from bringing something up. Feel free to talk about anything. if you dont intend to use the thread, stop complaining. like, if me and forik werent talking about this right now, noone would posst in the thread at all. how is that any better? call it ridiculous nitpicking, i call it nerdy obsessing over details in a manga we both obviously LOVE. You are using the thread for a personal discussion. Stop it. You guys were both warned on the last page and completely ignored it from my point of view. Take it to PMs, we can't have other discussions in here because 8/10 posts are you guys argueing with each other over something that will never happen or can't be proven. Several of us have asked you to stop alrdy, who knows how many are tired of it too but aren't willing to post.
there are at least 3 people talking about a particular subject on this page. that qualifies for a group discussion and no reason to take that through PM, if its even possible to maintain a 3way conversation through private messages.
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I did post last page with content and you guys just ignored it with this steamroll about clouds and it gets buried.
"I think DD underestimates Luffy. Sure, DD is super observant and informed; but Luffy spent 2 years away from the world training - he has been overtaken by the other supernovas in stature because of it. People simply don't know the level of his strength yet including DD. I certainly think he can take DD at this juncture."
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At least stop te obnoxious doubleposting, you had at least 3 doublepost on the last 3 pahes alone
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they're just making a mess of the thread for no reason. their discussion isn't even interesting. Trying to over think how the one piece universe is just stupid, Oda himself probably doesn't think about clouds and all that nonsense.
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On September 27 2013 16:16 Zholistic wrote:I did post last page with content and you guys just ignored it with this steamroll about clouds and it gets buried. Show nested quote +"I think DD underestimates Luffy. Sure, DD is super observant and informed; but Luffy spent 2 years away from the world training - he has been overtaken by the other supernovas in stature because of it. People simply don't know the level of his strength yet including DD. I certainly think he can take DD at this juncture."
Well, lets just say i disagree with both points. DD warned vergo of not engaging Luffy (and Vergo is not to be underestimated) in punk hazard, post timeskip. DD might even asume that luffy has been training during the timeskip since neither he nor his crew has been seen or heard of for two years, wich he commented on in their 3 way mushi conversation with law on the way to Dressrosa ("Yo strawhat! where have you been the last two years?") and he is smart enough to draw such a conclusion. if im not mistaking, there were pictures printed in the newspaper of him and rayleight at marineford. i think DD knows who Rayleight is (he was a pirate when the dark king was still active) and i think he at least suspects that he has been trained by Rayleight.
Second i think Law has dibs on DD from now on. Luffy will take out Kaidou but let Law get some well deserved revenge against doflamingo.
My personal theory is that Doflamingo willl leave law to fujitora to be taken to impel down soon and take off to watch the arena playoffs. Fujitora will express his disgust for DD for abusing his title as both tenryuubito, warlord and king in such a horrible way, that he will call akainu and inform him of what he has learned. Akainus religious faith in the law as the basis for absolute justice will mean he does not care, and he will reveal for both fuji and the readers that the top marines always knew that DD was a celestial dragon but had they said anything, DD or his relatives would have made them slaves overnight (they can make a marine of any rank a slave, and the other way around if they pleased)
This will lead to a Fujitora losing faith in the WG when a name and family is enought for a highly corrupt sadistic pirate to recieve the silver silk gloves treatment.
this can lead to various roads depending on how long oda wants the arc to go on for. it could also put Fuji in the same list of possible future revolutionaries, along with Kuzan and Smoker.
Edit: Incognito: Belive it or not but i find it interesting how Marcos Devil Fruit Works since it is so Unique and there are a few implications in marineford gut nothing really confirmed. It had nothing to do with clouds, it was a metaphor relevant to the topic
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i dont mind them arguing about this kind of stuff. the thread is dead anyways when theres no chapter out and i am fascinated by mythical creatures and physics. i seriously dobt mibd.
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phoenixes are mythical creatures and marco has never been seen in pure blue flames. we can be pretty certain hes a zoan.
sc2holar seems to know his shit while forik just... keeps arguing against hard proof... it even males me wonder if he follow one piece or just copy pastes from other fora
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On September 27 2013 16:38 agahamsorr0w wrote:
i dont mind them arguing about this kind of stuff. the thread is dead anyways when theres no chapter out and i am fascinated by mythical creatures and physics. i seriously dobt mibd.
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phoenixes are mythical creatures and marco has never been seen in pure blue flames. we can be pretty certain hes a zoan.
sc2holar seems to know his shit while forik just... keeps arguing against hard proof... it even males me wonder if he follow one piece or just copy pastes from other fora
Kizaru confirmed that Marco did indeed eat a Mythical Zoan fruit, an even more rare type than logias. (and his subordinates/the narrator in the manga confirm his powers: (no matter what harms him or how it happens he always regenerates with blue flames - the first commander division of the whitebeard pirates. Marco the Phoenix!") He is also portrayed in blue flames in both the anime and action figures and when it comes to colouring the anime is canon.
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