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On September 27 2013 12:06 DODswe4 wrote:
I have a hard time beliving you could cut hes head off. mostly because he needs to revert to hes phonix form (or semi form). How is he gonna do that if he lost hes head
No if you strap seastone to him and cut his head off, he dies.
no seastone and he will just revert to phoenix upon contact as a reflex, like even weak logias like enel could do. or use observation haki and dodge. he is suuperfast.
His fruit practicly works more like a logia than a zoan. i wish we got to see more of sengokus mythical zoan, because that one actually did feel underwhelming for a mythical zoan wich is supposed to be the most powerful devil fruits.
It was like, he could turn into a golden statue that could send shockwaves that looked less potent that whitebeards quakes
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On September 27 2013 12:14 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:06 DODswe4 wrote:
I have a hard time beliving you could cut hes head off. mostly because he needs to revert to hes phonix form (or semi form). How is he gonna do that if he lost hes head No if you strap seastone to him and cut his head off, he dies. no seastone and he will just revert to phoenix upon contact as a reflex, like even weak logias like enel could do. or use observation haki and dodge. he is suuperfast. His fruit practicly works more like a logia than a zoan. i wish we got to see more of sengokus mythical zoan, because that one actually did feel underwhelming for a mythical zoan wich is supposed to be the most powerful devil fruits. It was like, he could turn into a golden statue that could send shockwaves that looked less potent that whitebeards quakes
Whitebeard had the msot broken fruit possible though
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On September 27 2013 12:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Youre wrong about the "Doflamingo underestimating Luffy" part though, Doffy is observant, he knows that Luffy smashed crocodile, about the CP9 thing and is one of the few who knows the truth about Moria being defeated. He also witnessed luffy during Marineford.
During PH, he instructed Vergo to go after law but avoid confrontations with Luffy, saying "Be careful of the strawhat boy, nobody can tell what he is capable of yet. And i saw him use conquerors haki during the War".
Heck, he has kinda observed luffys journey since luffy smashed Bellamy in mock town. if i remember right he keeps thinking of Luffy as second to Law though he doesnt get Luffys the bigger threat, he think that hes gonna get crushed at the colloseum and we all know theres noone there Luffys level Show nested quote +
And eating a Zoan gives the user a passive bonus that multiplies their normal strenght by 10. thats enought offensive power right there fir a guy who trained with Whitebeard...
look it up on the wiki, i think it was said by someone from CP9
tahts just in general, its not a gurantee its probably based on "animals are all muscle so getting animal muscle makes you stronger" its like saying whos stronger, a human or a half-human half-gorilla? Show nested quote +On what point exactly?
we saw him heal damage that he took under seastone.
what is it that you are trying ti say.
the wiki links to the chapters where everything they claim is seen so there is evidence for everything.
im smelling troll
of course Reis a troll hes been trollng for ages
Nope doflamingo told vergo multiple times to not get involved with the strawhats because he had seen what the kid was capable of.
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On September 27 2013 12:18 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:12 Forikorder wrote:Youre wrong about the "Doflamingo underestimating Luffy" part though, Doffy is observant, he knows that Luffy smashed crocodile, about the CP9 thing and is one of the few who knows the truth about Moria being defeated. He also witnessed luffy during Marineford.
During PH, he instructed Vergo to go after law but avoid confrontations with Luffy, saying "Be careful of the strawhat boy, nobody can tell what he is capable of yet. And i saw him use conquerors haki during the War".
Heck, he has kinda observed luffys journey since luffy smashed Bellamy in mock town. if i remember right he keeps thinking of Luffy as second to Law though he doesnt get Luffys the bigger threat, he think that hes gonna get crushed at the colloseum and we all know theres noone there Luffys level
And eating a Zoan gives the user a passive bonus that multiplies their normal strenght by 10. thats enought offensive power right there fir a guy who trained with Whitebeard...
look it up on the wiki, i think it was said by someone from CP9
tahts just in general, its not a gurantee its probably based on "animals are all muscle so getting animal muscle makes you stronger" its like saying whos stronger, a human or a half-human half-gorilla? On what point exactly?
we saw him heal damage that he took under seastone.
what is it that you are trying ti say.
the wiki links to the chapters where everything they claim is seen so there is evidence for everything.
im smelling troll
of course Reis a troll hes been trollng for ages Nope doflamingo told vergo multiple times to not get involved with the strawhats because he had seen what the kid was capable of.
aside from then though he just treats Strawhat as some nobody he thinks laws the real deal and thinks strawhat will get wooped at the Colloseum
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On September 27 2013 01:32 politik wrote:
Did anyone else think that Chopper's "I'm starting to lose consciousness... I don't wanna die" was extremely morbid by OP standards?
Yes...this REALLY got to me.
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On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head.
In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing.
Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form.
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On September 27 2013 12:22 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:18 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:12 Forikorder wrote:Youre wrong about the "Doflamingo underestimating Luffy" part though, Doffy is observant, he knows that Luffy smashed crocodile, about the CP9 thing and is one of the few who knows the truth about Moria being defeated. He also witnessed luffy during Marineford.
During PH, he instructed Vergo to go after law but avoid confrontations with Luffy, saying "Be careful of the strawhat boy, nobody can tell what he is capable of yet. And i saw him use conquerors haki during the War".
Heck, he has kinda observed luffys journey since luffy smashed Bellamy in mock town. if i remember right he keeps thinking of Luffy as second to Law though he doesnt get Luffys the bigger threat, he think that hes gonna get crushed at the colloseum and we all know theres noone there Luffys level
And eating a Zoan gives the user a passive bonus that multiplies their normal strenght by 10. thats enought offensive power right there fir a guy who trained with Whitebeard...
look it up on the wiki, i think it was said by someone from CP9
tahts just in general, its not a gurantee its probably based on "animals are all muscle so getting animal muscle makes you stronger" its like saying whos stronger, a human or a half-human half-gorilla? On what point exactly?
we saw him heal damage that he took under seastone.
what is it that you are trying ti say.
the wiki links to the chapters where everything they claim is seen so there is evidence for everything.
im smelling troll
of course Reis a troll hes been trollng for ages Nope doflamingo told vergo multiple times to not get involved with the strawhats because he had seen what the kid was capable of. aside from then though he just treats Strawhat as some nobody he thinks laws the real deal and thinks strawhat will get wooped at the Colloseum
Maybe luffy will get wooped in the colloseum, he knows more about whats planned than we do. But that has nothing to do with kaw being the real deal. the reason he sent luffy to the colloseum instead of law was that Law was the one who had promised to deliver ceasar. What do you mean with "aside from then", thats when he compared the two. he has never said "law is the real danger" or anything like that afterwards. He really thinks luffy is stronger than Law. He has no reason to think differently after the events at PH.
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On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form.
i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared
conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die
no way to know for certain
Maybe luffy will get wooped in the colloseum, he knows more about whats planned than we do. But that has nothing to do with kaw being the real deal. the reason he sent luffy to the colloseum instead of law was that Law was the one who had promised to deliver ceasar. What do you mean with "aside from then", thats when he compared the two. he has never said "law is the real danger" or anything like that afterwards. He really thinks luffy is stronger than Law. He has no reason to think differently after the events at PH.
theres a 0% cahnce Luffy loses to anytone introduced this arc, only serious established characters have a snowballs chance in hell against him
hes always talking to Law, he never talks to Luffy or show any interest aside from dangling the bait, Luffy doesnt show up on his radar he thinks "as long as i get Law i win" but he doesnt realise that Law is a distraction and what Luffy is doing is what really matters
thats why hes gonna lose while hes wasting time giving some plot exposition the SHs are about to close in on his factory and destroy it
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On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain
Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out.
he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings.
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Colosseum Round 5!
Forikorder vs sc2holar vs rei! Ding ding... >.>
I think DD underestimates Luffy. Sure, DD is super observant and informed; but Luffy spent 2 years away from the world training - he has been overtaken by the other supernovas in stature because of it. People simply don't know the level of his strength yet including DD. I certainly think he can take DD at this juncture.
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On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings.
pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki
im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb)
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On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Show nested quote +
Maybe luffy will get wooped in the colloseum, he knows more about whats planned than we do. But that has nothing to do with kaw being the real deal. the reason he sent luffy to the colloseum instead of law was that Law was the one who had promised to deliver ceasar. What do you mean with "aside from then", thats when he compared the two. he has never said "law is the real danger" or anything like that afterwards. He really thinks luffy is stronger than Law. He has no reason to think differently after the events at PH.
theres a 0% cahnce Luffy loses to anytone introduced this arc, only serious established characters have a snowballs chance in hell against him hes always talking to Law, he never talks to Luffy or show any interest aside from dangling the bait, Luffy doesnt show up on his radar he thinks "as long as i get Law i win" but he doesnt realise that Law is a distraction and what Luffy is doing is what really matters thats why hes gonna lose while hes wasting time giving some plot exposition the SHs are about to close in on his factory and destroy it
Thats because Law is the one with Ceasars heart, Law is the one making demands, and Law is the one he wants to punish. he doesnt care about Luffy atm because he is not the one threatening to kill ceasar. What him and law are talking about is business. Luffy has no business with DD.
Again, why would he say "Law is just a brat, but strawhat surprised the entire world in marineford. Even using conquerors haki at his age! Take care of law and come back with ceasar, let the strawhats go"
We dont know what Doffy has planned for the colloseum. There might be something else than a fight planned. But just like with Aokiji, im sure doflamingo feels he doesnt hav a reason to fight him and therefor wont take a confrontation without a good reason. He got what he wanted wich was ceasar+law.. Fuji is the one who is more likely to come look for Luffy
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the stupid amount of posts in this thread regarding trivial shit almost makes me want to unsubscribe. go find a hobby guys
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Like, what?
Kiiiing......PUUUUNCHHH?
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On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings.
a 3 years old can shoot his ass with a sea stone bullet and he dies. He's no where near enel's level.
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On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb)
Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is Zoan so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking.
the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames.
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On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames.
Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure
also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark
also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too
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On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too
it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. There was no lasting effects. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic.
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On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic.
but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close
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On September 27 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:27 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 13:16 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:56 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:47 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:32 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 12:26 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 12:14 vndestiny wrote:
Yeah he might be able to recover small injuries given his main body is relatively still intact, much like Wolverine lol. I have a hard time believing that he can survive a full blast from Whirebeard which might blow him to pieces.
And healing holes on your body is completely different to, idk, regrowing a head. In his phoenix form he can basicly not be harmed. he took a maigou punch to the chest, the same kind that killed ace, and it did nothing. Akainu took a full blast from WB and survived. in his phoenix form, Marcos healing and doding powers are waaay beyond logias. because he is made up of magical blue flames that everything will just pass through, even if you use haki. because thats the advantage of his fruit being a zoan instead of logia. his phoenix form counts as his physical body. And his phoenix form is like a hologram that everything just passes through, even haki cannot harm him in this form. i dont think thats true, we saw stuff actually pass through him, when Kizaru shot him with the lazers there was a defineite hole it passed through it just immediately disapeared conceivably if he was hit by a Haki attack powerful enough to instantly kill him (like literally instantly he cant survive for ven 1 second) then hed die no way to know for certain Yes, thats the thing. Everything passes through him and creates temporal holes that dissapear when they have passed. its like sticking an iron rod into a fire. it will create a "hole" in the fire until you take it out. he took a maigo punch in his phoenix form that was enough to kill ace in his logia form and open a crater in whitebeards chest. it did nothing to marco. Thats a reak 1hit kill move, if anything. but the flames are magical, its his phoenic form works like a ghost or something. if try to hit him its as if youre just hitting through a water sprinkler or something completley non-physical. He is a Phoenix after all and in mythology phoenixes are immortal beings. pretty much any logia but Ace could survive the maigo punch since we havent seen fruit attacks backed up with Haki im saying like an attack thats even more devastating then the maigo punch (it didnt instant kill Ace he suffered) reinforced with Haki so Marco cant logia out of it (for lack of a better verb) Haki only works against logias. Marcos form is phoenix so it wont work. using haki wont help if youre still just punching through a "hologram" metaphoricly speaking. the reason you can haki punch a logia is because logias real bodies are still flesh, and they just hide by turning into an element temporarly. Zoans work differently, both the phoenix form and the human forms are "true" and they share the same wounds etc. except marcos phoenix form cant be wounded because you cant touch it. otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks, not go straight through creating a hole that instantly dissapears when pulling his hand out, like sticking a spear through flames. Marcos never taken a haki blow so we dont know for sure also "otherwise a powerful attack like maigou would at least leave some marks" " creating a hole" contradiction if it creates a hole its leaving a mark also Haki doesnt only work on Logias it works on Luffy too it didnt create a hole, it was gone when he pulled out his arm. Its like renting a plane, fly up and punch a cloud. it will look like you are piercing a hole into it since there is no substance there to block you. but once you pull it out you will notice that cloud looks the same. thats how he was affected. Mythical zoans are magical, again, so they can defy established OP logic. but if i punch a cloud, i am making a hole and if i punch hard enough the hole wont close
haha no, you are moving your hand through intanglible materia, hence it will pass through. but there is no way to punch a hole into a cloud, wtf. do you know what clouds are made of. its condenced water molecules. it doesnt matter how much force you use cause the cloud has zero friction. The molecules will always attract each others and reform because of the atoms in the water molecules are charged with magnetism. you can hit it with a steel mace, blunt attacks/weapons like fists only affect solid materia wich creates friction. same reason luffy is immune to normal punches unless there is haki involved that overrides his rubber element.
when something hard, solid clashes with matera with similiar attributes, the clash creates friction (small quakes) that cause things to break. a cloud is not made of solid materia hence a fist just passes through it.
If you punched water REALLY HARD, would you create a hole in the water?
think about it dude its pretty simple
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