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On September 27 2013 00:19 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:13 Incognoto wrote:On September 26 2013 23:31 sc2holar wrote:
Lol at the idea of the Monster trio taking out DD and an Admiral... we are only about halfway through the manga and you already want admirals to be treated like fodder?
When I started watching One Piece, I saw the first Zoro vs Mihawk. The gap between them was impossible. Mihawk was a Shichibukai. The first thing the Straw Hats do upon entering the Grand Line is getting mixed up with Baroque Works and ultimately beating up Crocodile. Yeah, Luffy got really lucky at least several times (Robin saved him, then his water fell back down on him, etc). Nonetheless, it still happened. Luffy did defeat Crocodile. Crocodile was a Shichibukai and as shown in Marineford, one that is on par in terms of strength to Doflamingo. Maybe Crocodile got fat in Alabasta or something, lack of proper fighting in the New World made him weak. Nonetheless, Luffy beat Crocodile. I thought for a while that that meant Luffy was going to beat the fucking shit out everyone. That didn't happen. So, do you really think you can predict what's going to happen? Admirals aren't fodder but they aren't invincible either. Look at how Akainu got beat up by Whitebeard. Look at how Akainu then beat Aokiji (did take him 10 days though). Power levels in One Piece are broad estimates more than anything. i dont remember croc fighting dd. i thought dd cut his head off simply to be funny. also, i thought akainu and akoiji were tied and that akainu was just reccomended by higher rabks than sengoku. im not an expert so would you mind clearing things up for me?
Akainu beat akoiji after 10 days of fighting so he got made Fleet Admiral and akoiji left the marines.
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Akainu had larger support within the organization as a whole, especially among vice admirals and other high ranking memberrs.
Whitebeard was the Strongest man in the World so him being able to hurt (but not knocking out) an admiral doesnt prove anything and has nothing to do with monster trio.
Again Marco is better if you want to judge the admirals strenght. and Zoro and Sanji arent on Marcos level either. Only Marco could have survived Kizarus barrage of light blasts, wich is why he flew in as a sheild.
It doesnt matter how much the strawhats have grown in power, if they defeat an admiral it would dishonour the memory of the whitebeards struggle to save ace.
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you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy.
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On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy.
no way they beat an admiral this soon, especially such a nice guy like the one whos here, if it was an absolute justice type admiral that'd be a different story but hes not
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On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy.
Whitebeard pirates went as all out as you can go during the war. since it was not enought, SHs wont be able to pull it off either. No way Luffy is ALREADY stronger than Whitebeard was lol
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On September 27 2013 00:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy. no way they beat an admiral this soon, especially such a nice guy like the one whos here, if it was an absolute justice type admiral that'd be a different story but hes not
na I don't think they will beat fuji now either, he seems like an admiral that won't go down in battle with the SH.
But I don't think its unlikely to think that Luffy and Zoro could hold their own against him right now. Hell Zoro might have already surpassed Mihawk during their training.
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On September 27 2013 00:42 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy. Whitebeard pirates went as all out as you can go during the war. since it was not enought, SHs wont be able to pull it off either. No way Luffy is ALREADY stronger than Whitebeard was lol
Um, whitebeard pirates vs 4 shichibukai, 3 admirals, garp, sengoku, blackbeard pirates, half the fuckin' marines, every vice admiral, pacifista.
this is 1 admiral and 1 pirate crew (with dofla, 3 strong dudes and small fry) vs Straw hats, entire dwarf nation, law (though he's beat atm), chinjao + his navy, rebecca and toy soldier.
also will the admiral really fight with dofla or will something else happen?
not the same thing at all.
none of the straw hats have shown what they're capable of. it's hard to judge luffy's fight vs hordy because we aren't sure of the drug's strength (nor what kind of power it would procure to someone actually strong). zoro was a monster before, what has he become NOW?
we're talking about the future pirate king and his crew. mugi wara no ichimi = strong as fuck
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thats not the same thing indeed. but you said JUST monter trio vs admiral and DD. and thats a whole other story
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On September 27 2013 00:45 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:40 Forikorder wrote:On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy. no way they beat an admiral this soon, especially such a nice guy like the one whos here, if it was an absolute justice type admiral that'd be a different story but hes not na I don't think they will beat fuji now either, he seems like an admiral that won't go down in battle with the SH. But I don't think its unlikely to think that Luffy and Zoro could hold their own against him right now. Hell Zoro might have already surpassed Mihawk during their training.
if zoro surpassed mihawk his ultimate goal would be fulfilled. i dont think thats the case. would be pretty lame.
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On September 27 2013 00:50 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:42 sc2holar wrote:On September 27 2013 00:35 AsnSensation wrote:
you have no idea how strong the strawhats are now if forced to go all out, so I wouldnt speculate too much.
Luffy beating an admiral at this point isn't too farfetched either, it wouldn't also be "fodder" treatment if he did so because I'm pretty sure every fight he will have with an admiral or yonkou at this point will be an all out, almost to death fight like with lucy. Whitebeard pirates went as all out as you can go during the war. since it was not enought, SHs wont be able to pull it off either. No way Luffy is ALREADY stronger than Whitebeard was lol Um, whitebeard pirates vs 4 shichibukai, 3 admirals, garp, sengoku, blackbeard pirates, half the fuckin' marines, every vice admiral, pacifista. this is 1 admiral and 1 pirate crew (with dofla, 3 strong dudes and small fry) vs Straw hats, entire dwarf nation, law (though he's beat atm), chinjao + his navy, rebecca and toy soldier. also will the admiral really fight with dofla or will something else happen? not the same thing at all.
Whitebeard pirates were the strongest crew and still one of the strongest according to the old dude in the WG. How many admirals were taken down by them. Whitebeard, and jozu were the only people to harm a freakin admiral. Marco fought = them. So the top 3 of the strongest crew in the entire OP verse fought = or > an admiral. I know there are tons of others who could fight an admiral but to put monster trio in that catagory when i doubt they even have surpassed their teachers would be a bit too much of a push to me. I doubt their allies can help them out either other than the mass number stratagy which the Admiral has shown some crazy casual AOE.
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dude you don't know what the hell is going to happen like the rest of us..
Don't shatter our dreams for your own personal "One Piece biggest fan" fantasy 
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Did anyone else think that Chopper's "I'm starting to lose consciousness... I don't wanna die" was extremely morbid by OP standards?
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On September 27 2013 01:32 politik wrote:
Did anyone else think that Chopper's "I'm starting to lose consciousness... I don't wanna die" was extremely morbid by OP standards?
As opposed to Zoro being about to cut off his own feet to escape Mr 3's wax death trap?
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On September 26 2013 12:21 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 11:36 Mataza wrote:On September 26 2013 11:33 DODswe4 wrote:On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army. I wont be suprised if some marines have already joined the revolutionary army. On that note I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon was a former high ranking Marine. But yeah. now that i think about it this could be very true. seems weird that even though garp is a marine hero, dragon and luffy have never taken the marine path. and if there is severe corruption and stuff within the wg dragon could have protested. otherwise there would be no reason for him to be the head of the revolutionary army anyway
You don't have to be in the marines to know that someone has to stand against the WG. All you have to do is go to SA and see the CD's abuse of power and slave shop to realize the WG has to go.
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On September 26 2013 21:48 AsnSensation wrote:calling this guy to be Doflamingo's dad... + Show Spoiler +seems to be the youngest of the gorusei
Hoooly shit! I think you're right! But why would the son of one of the most powerful people on the planet go off and become a pirate? Maybe he had a falling out with his dad? He might still have some power due to his family name but I kind of doubt that he's directly in league with the Grousei. Speaking of which, I wonder how Grousei are elected. Are they voted in by the world nobles like shareholders vote in CEOs or are they the most influential of the celestial dragons?
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who knows maybe they are the 5 heads of the most influential Royal Families.
What still bothers me about this revelation is that we have this picture of DD as a kid and he was filthy & dirty, which means he probably wasn't raised in Mary Joa.
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On September 27 2013 02:17 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 12:21 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 26 2013 11:36 Mataza wrote:On September 26 2013 11:33 DODswe4 wrote:On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army. I wont be suprised if some marines have already joined the revolutionary army. On that note I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon was a former high ranking Marine. But yeah. now that i think about it this could be very true. seems weird that even though garp is a marine hero, dragon and luffy have never taken the marine path. and if there is severe corruption and stuff within the wg dragon could have protested. otherwise there would be no reason for him to be the head of the revolutionary army anyway You don't have to be in the marines to know that someone has to stand against the WG. All you have to do is go to SA and see the CD's abuse of power and slave shop to realize the WG has to go.
Or look at a map of goa kingdom, take a walk through the grey terminal and proceed to the nobles plaza. (wich seems to the only place with local kingdoms and rulers) to realize that the world in one piece is built and centered around fucked up values. he entire social structure in the seas outside of the grand line seems to be miniature versions of mareijos and SA, with clean walled off cities inhabited by regular nobles (who are pretty much like world nobles without full immunity, but they share the same ideals and morals) surrounded by poor rural villages that the pirates raid.
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On September 27 2013 05:01 AsnSensation wrote:
who knows maybe they are the 5 heads of the most influential Royal Families.
What still bothers me about this revelation is that we have this picture of DD as a kid and he was filthy & dirty, which means he probably wasn't raised in Mary Joa.
I'm thinking he was an adopted child by the royal family. Would also explain his love of young rookies and taking them under his wing, per what sc2holar thinks.
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I think the way to change the world of one piece is to do what dragon does, start local revolutions all around the world and bring island after island, kingdom after kingdom into the opposition. this way you are simultaniously shutting down the local marine/royals defence forces as you take over, and the Main marine fleet is stuck in the new world dealing with the pirate threat and cannot afford to be spread thin.
starting by striking mareijos and killing the gorosei and tenryuubito would just create chaos and anarchy if the WG suddenly just dissapears. the way to go is to give people all over the world an ideal to strive for and let them be a part of building a new world. let them be a part of the revolution and let them decide how to shape the next era of civilization.
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On September 27 2013 05:15 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 05:01 AsnSensation wrote:
who knows maybe they are the 5 heads of the most influential Royal Families.
What still bothers me about this revelation is that we have this picture of DD as a kid and he was filthy & dirty, which means he probably wasn't raised in Mary Joa. I'm thinking he was an adopted child by the royal family. Would also explain his love of young rookies and taking them under his wing, per what sc2holar thinks.
Thinks? Thats what he does. We saw it already back in mock town with bellamy and his crew, and he was apparently not the first.
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