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Why would they ask Vegapunk to make a series of mega cyborgs with lazer beams for them if they didnt trust him. what makes you think the WG doesnt trust Vegapunk. There is nothing in the series suggesting this and it makes no sense.
Rewatch TDK. Harvey gets half his face burnt of first. Then he wakes úp in the hospital, but its when he finds out about rachaels death that he snaps (finding the coin he left to her by his bed, with one side being covered in dust from the explosion). He was offered transplants to restore his face but refused because rachaels death had already drove him mad. So you got the order of events wrong. His injuries didnt affect his sanity because he could have had surgery to restore it.
I never said evil. I said murderous psycho. the joker doesnt believe in good and evil or any morals for that matter.
Harvey was a hero and by "Bringing him down to my level" as the joker puts it he proves to batman that human nature is easy to corrupt. the boats was a different scenario since they were forced either to kill or die cause of the joker.
Harvey killed innocent people just because he lost his mind.
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Why would they ask Vegapunk to make a series of mega cyborgs with lazer beams for them if they didnt trust him. what makes you think the WG doesnt trust Vegapunk. There is nothing in the series suggesting this and it makes no sense.
the big wigs in the WG would be all over Caesers WMDs but Vegapunk put an end to it
plus theres the whole Kuma deal, he could have used Kuma to do a real blow against the rebels instead he programmed him to keep the thousand sunny safe
no hard evidence but im pretty sure Vegapunk is on the smoker side of the marines so obviously people like CP0 cant trust him
Rewatch TDK. Harvey gets half his face burnt of first. Then he wakes úp in the hospital, but its when he finds out about rachaels death that he snaps (finding the coin he left to her by his bed, with one side being covered in dust from the explosion). He was offered transplants to restore his face but refused because rachaels death had already drove him mad. So you got the order of events wrong. His injuries didnt affect his sanity because he could have had surgery to restore it.
I never said evil. I said murderous psycho. the joker doesnt believe in good and evil or any morals for that matter.
Harvey was a hero and by "Bringing him down to my level" as the joker puts it he proves to batman that human nature is easy to corrupt. the boats was a different scenario since they were forced either to kill or die cause of the joker.
Harvey killed innocent people just because he lost his mind.
exactly he lost his mind, he didnt turn evil he just turned crazy
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Ok, once again.
I did not say he turned Evil. Its right there in my post above the part you bolded.
The movie has nothing to do with Good and Evil. The Joker does not believe in good and evil. What is your point?
The Jokers goal was scare and freak out gotham city by turning their white knight Harvey Dent into someone crazy like himself. That would cause them to lose faith in justice. He also wanted to prove to batman that he could do this and that Batmans cause was meaningless.
Pacifistas take direct orders from High ranking marines.
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Can you stop with the little stabs at each other?
Anyway:
On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all.
The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power.
What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines.
Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army.
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On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army.
I wont be suprised if some marines have already joined the revolutionary army.
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On September 26 2013 11:33 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army. I wont be suprised if some marines have already joined the revolutionary army.
On that note I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon was a former high ranking Marine. But yeah.
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Pacifistas take direct orders from High ranking marines.
the Pacifistas take orders from whoever Vegapunk tells them to take orders from the WG knows that if Vegapunk wanted to the Pacifistas become his personal army
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On September 26 2013 11:44 Forikorder wrote:the Pacifistas take orders from whoever Vegapunk tells them to take orders from
Proof?
now im seriously getting tired of you blatantly making stuff up.
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Yeah guys, we honestly know nothing about Vegapunk and the WG's relationship. You can try draw up some concepts, but the closest to any hard fact we have about the man in any shape or form are from:
1) Sumo guy's talk about Pacifistas. Mentions Vegapunk like once.
2) Caeser's flashbacks. Just shows he was in opposition to Caeser's practices.
3) Franky's couple of pages. Just shows he was a genius in youth.
List of things we actually know about Vegapunk:
- He makes cool robots.
- Probably wears a striped shirt and lab coat.
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On September 26 2013 12:04 bittman wrote:
Yeah guys, we honestly know nothing about Vegapunk and the WG's relationship. You can try draw up some concepts, but the closest to any hard fact we have about the man in any shape or form are from:
1) Sumo guy's talk about Pacifistas. Mentions Vegapunk like once.
2) Caeser's flashbacks. Just shows he was in opposition to Caeser's practices.
3) Franky's couple of pages. Just shows he was a genius in youth.
List of things we actually know about Vegapunk:
- He makes cool robots.
- Probably wears a striped shirt and lab coat.
He made the Pacifistas for the marines/wg did he not? He also initiated the program by slowly transforming one of the warlords into a robot. He definitely has some kind of relationship with them, probably in the form of funding/labs where he can let his genius roam free and the WG get some cool stuff out of it.
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On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army.
Revolutions have happened relatively frequently throughout history. Especially with the exaggerated asshole way the dragons act now, do they actually contribute anything to the running of the WG? Are they involved in the decision making process? No doubt they have a ideological system in place that legitimizes their "standing" but history has shown that if things turn rough the system can break down and people won't see a need to keep it in place. In OP though, the majority of the world seems to be unaware of what the dragons do and overall there seems to more or less relative stability/security and the dragons don't seem to fuck with people on a mass, noticeable scale. This is probably why it is taking Dragon so long to get his revolution in full gear, most people are content and happily oblivious to what is going on outside of their own kingdoms/islands.
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On September 26 2013 11:36 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 11:33 DODswe4 wrote:On September 26 2013 11:31 Mataza wrote:Can you stop with the little stabs at each other? Anyway: On September 26 2013 01:43 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. The celestial Dragons have quite literally the Marines as physical power. What you describe, in long words, is revolution. If you had history class, you probably know that changing a government by force is dangerous and brings years of suffering to all the people under that government. Protecting the current order with the selfish tenryuubito at the top is(I assume) the lesser evil in the eyes of the Marines. Because if they didn't think so, they would probably join the existing rebellion, Dragon's revolutionary army. I wont be suprised if some marines have already joined the revolutionary army. On that note I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon was a former high ranking Marine. But yeah.
now that i think about it this could be very true. seems weird that even though garp is a marine hero, dragon and luffy have never taken the marine path. and if there is severe corruption and stuff within the wg dragon could have protested. otherwise there would be no reason for him to be the head of the revolutionary army anyway
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On September 26 2013 11:59 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 11:44 Forikorder wrote:Pacifistas take direct orders from High ranking marines. the Pacifistas take orders from whoever Vegapunk tells them to take orders from Proof? now im seriously getting tired of you blatantly making stuff up.
he made them who else would program there loyalty?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
can you two take it to pms
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On September 26 2013 12:25 flamewheel wrote:
can you two take it to pms
why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers
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On September 26 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers
I'm ganna quote this every time anyone say anything about not wanting to hear enel discussion.
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On September 26 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers
Because this is less about you two discussing the story than it is trying to show that you have a bigger one pieceness than the other person. The last I-don't-know-how-many pages has been filled with, for the most part, you and sc2holar to the point where I don't get anything out of reading what you write.
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On September 26 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers
You guys post these walls of text, multiple paragraphs long like it's your job. You don't even say much, just argue about senseless things. If you're not going to stop, then can you please post tl;dr after your posts... and then delete the rest of the post?
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On September 26 2013 12:46 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 26 2013 12:25 flamewheel wrote:
can you two take it to pms why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers Because this is less about you two discussing the story than it is trying to show that you have a bigger one pieceness than the other person. The last I-don't-know-how-many pages has been filled with, for the most part, you and sc2holar to the point where I don't get anything out of reading what you write.
its just inevitable for any serious discussion to go such ways, without new information all you can do is go over old information as closely as possible
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On September 26 2013 12:48 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 12:46 flamewheel wrote:On September 26 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 26 2013 12:25 flamewheel wrote:
can you two take it to pms why follow the thread if you get annoyed whenever people discuss the story? seems counter-intuitive like following a live report thread and complaining about spoilers Because this is less about you two discussing the story than it is trying to show that you have a bigger one pieceness than the other person. The last I-don't-know-how-many pages has been filled with, for the most part, you and sc2holar to the point where I don't get anything out of reading what you write. its just inevitable for any serious discussion to go such ways, without new information all you can do is go over old information as closely as possible
You could also start by showing you are speculating with wordings like "may do", "would", "could", "maybe", "probably", "I think", "my best guess", "I wouldn't be surprised, if", "the most likely explanation according to our knowledge".
And the thing between you and sc2holar has obviously gotten personal, as you just won't agree with each other on *anything*. If it's not about what is right, but rather who is right, then that's called a pissing contest.
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