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Well, if his nickname "Joker" is actually a reference to the Joker in Batman then I guess he's doing his thing because he enjoys it. The way his character is shown to be, would you really see him as someone who just sits at home and takes what's given to him?
I remember at Marineford where he suddenly got all excited about the idea of the winner determining justice. He seems like someone who just enjoys the madness and doesn't really pick either side. As a member of the royal family I guess he'd have had to step in line and behave. Maybe that's why he left and threw himself into the chaotic, adventurous life of piracy. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Oh, didn't he also say that he'd quit the Shichibukai if he ever got bored of it? I think that's what it's really about with him. Some men just want to watch the world burn - was said about the Joker in Batman. Coincidence?!
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On September 25 2013 23:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well, if his nickname "Joker" is actually a reference to the Joker in Batman then I guess he's doing his thing because he enjoys it. The way his character is shown to be, would you really see him as someone who just sits at home and takes what's given to him?
I remember at Marineford where he suddenly got all excited about the idea of the winner determining justice. He seems like someone who just enjoys the madness and doesn't really pick either side. As a member of the royal family I guess he'd have had to step in line and behave. Maybe that's why he left and threw himself into the chaotic, adventurous life of piracy. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Oh, didn't he also say that he'd quit the Shichibukai if he ever got bored of it? I think that's what it's really about with him. Some men just want to watch the world burn - was said about the Joker in Batman. Coincidence?!
He realy more acts like the Jack Nicholson Joker.
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On September 25 2013 23:16 hasuwary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think it's more like Doflamingo doing whatever the hell he wants because he's got the immunity to do so. why be a pirate when you can be god though? the way hes taken over Dressrosa seems like the next thing hes gonna say is "im just taking back whats rightfully mine" but couldnt he have just used his status as Tenryuubito to have them give him Dressrossa? As seen at SA tenryuubito tend to be realy sadistic,maybe Dofla wanted to become king of dresrossa the cruel way,picking dresrossa for his reign surely has to do with his ancestors.
but he was a pirate long before Dressrossa and he doesnt have taht god complex the rest of the Tenryuubito hve
i get the feeling over the last 800 years some of the original 19 familys got voted off the island
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On September 25 2013 23:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:28 sc2holar wrote:
It has been regarded as a highly possible theory since law stated that only a tenryuubitos could have pulled off the False news article trick, and then suddenly looked like he just had his mind blown and had a flashback to Vergo telling him "You dont know Jokers Past". We also Learned that the CP0 works exclusivley for the tenryuubito.
Those were both huge hints. It was pretty clear that DD either was a tenryuubito himself, or knew/blackmailed/bribed one. im surprised a Tenryuubito was allowed to leave Mariejoa and become a pirate though maybe Doflas family got kicked out?
I would say that he probably couldn't stand the "boring rich life" that those pampered assholes have been shown to live. They just sit back and do jack shit while getting waited on hand and foot. Possibly DD just got sick of it and wanted his own adventure.
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On September 25 2013 23:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:16 hasuwary wrote:On September 25 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think it's more like Doflamingo doing whatever the hell he wants because he's got the immunity to do so. why be a pirate when you can be god though? the way hes taken over Dressrosa seems like the next thing hes gonna say is "im just taking back whats rightfully mine" but couldnt he have just used his status as Tenryuubito to have them give him Dressrossa? As seen at SA tenryuubito tend to be realy sadistic,maybe Dofla wanted to become king of dresrossa the cruel way,picking dresrossa for his reign surely has to do with his ancestors. but he was a pirate long before Dressrossa and he doesnt have taht god complex the rest of the Tenryuubito hve i get the feeling over the last 800 years some of the original 19 familys got voted off the island
Maybe there are just 5 families left - 5 Gorosei
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On September 25 2013 23:26 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 22:28 sc2holar wrote:
It has been regarded as a highly possible theory since law stated that only a tenryuubitos could have pulled off the False news article trick, and then suddenly looked like he just had his mind blown and had a flashback to Vergo telling him "You dont know Jokers Past". We also Learned that the CP0 works exclusivley for the tenryuubito.
Those were both huge hints. It was pretty clear that DD either was a tenryuubito himself, or knew/blackmailed/bribed one. im surprised a Tenryuubito was allowed to leave Mariejoa and become a pirate though maybe Doflas family got kicked out? I would say that he probably couldn't stand the "boring rich life" that those pampered assholes have been shown to live. They just sit back and do jack shit while getting waited on hand and foot. Possibly DD just got sick of it and wanted his own adventure.
the Tenryuubito seem like the sort of people whod kill someone who did that so as to not ruin the image
i think that his family got exiled some time ago, and hes the only one who managed to survive (kinda like Ace) and then he gathered power as a Pirate and now is strong enough to blackmail the WG with his past to get special priveleges as long as he keeps quiet
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I have never appreciate Brook joke b4.
Until today  .
Sorry, I have no art taste. Because I have no eyes.
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On September 25 2013 23:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well, if his nickname "Joker" is actually a reference to the Joker in Batman then I guess he's doing his thing because he enjoys it. The way his character is shown to be, would you really see him as someone who just sits at home and takes what's given to him?
I remember at Marineford where he suddenly got all excited about the idea of the winner determining justice. He seems like someone who just enjoys the madness and doesn't really pick either side. As a member of the royal family I guess he'd have had to step in line and behave. Maybe that's why he left and threw himself into the chaotic, adventurous life of piracy. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Oh, didn't he also say that he'd quit the Shichibukai if he ever got bored of it? I think that's what it's really about with him. Some men just want to watch the world burn - was said about the Joker in Batman. Coincidence?!
His Point about justice was actually a reply to Akainu talking about how justice (marines in his world) will always prevail. he replied this quote:
"Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
This shows how Doflamingo doesnt believe in the concepts of good and evil, and seems to lean more thowards chaos. Like the Joker in TDK (or the killing joke) indeed. Remember the interrogatin scene when he calls out batman for being a freak who dreses up in a bat suit and points out that to the citizens, he is just as much of a "Freak" as the Joker. Quote:
"Dont talk as if you were one of them, youre not. Even if that is what you want to be. To them you are just a freak. Like me! They need you now though, but when they dont... they will cast you out. Like a Leper. You see, all these "Civilized People", their morals, their little codes... is all a bad joke, and dropped at the first sign of trouble! let me show you, when the chips are down, these civilized people, they will each others!"
and he proved he was right by turning gothams white knight Dent and turning him into a murderous madman. Your past and luck in life determines your values, anyone can be turned.
Thats all Miller/Moore/Ledger Joker, Not Nicholson. Jack was just a guy laughing about spraying gas at people
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On September 25 2013 23:29 hasuwary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:16 hasuwary wrote:On September 25 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think it's more like Doflamingo doing whatever the hell he wants because he's got the immunity to do so. why be a pirate when you can be god though? the way hes taken over Dressrosa seems like the next thing hes gonna say is "im just taking back whats rightfully mine" but couldnt he have just used his status as Tenryuubito to have them give him Dressrossa? As seen at SA tenryuubito tend to be realy sadistic,maybe Dofla wanted to become king of dresrossa the cruel way,picking dresrossa for his reign surely has to do with his ancestors. but he was a pirate long before Dressrossa and he doesnt have taht god complex the rest of the Tenryuubito hve i get the feeling over the last 800 years some of the original 19 familys got voted off the island Maybe there are just 5 families left - 5 Gorosei
No, that contradicts what been said multiple times about the Old Kings and founders of the WG being the ancestors to all the Tenryuubito. Also they stand above all Laws so they cant be punished/exiled.
If Doflamingos Family was exiled, then that means we still have no clue how he pulled all of those WG strings or has connections above the fleet admiral. the explanation posted above doesnt hold up, as they could just dispose of him by sending the admirals (and garp :D) after him to get rid of him. I dont think one man can blackmail the entire WG that way.
And what Image does the Tenryuubuto really have anyways? what Charloss did in SA is on par with DF, if not worse. What commoners think about them (fear and hatered i would assume) dont mean a thing to them, they will just kill anyone who openly shows a lack of respect for them and call for an admiral if someone is even daring to threaten with violence. The Tenryuubito already commit murder and slave trade on a regular basis so you kinda have to wonder what they would have to do to get exiled...
I think he simply took dressrosa because of his family history, making it a good base in the new world to conduct his underworld business. if he wasnt king of dressrosa he would have nowhere to build his Smile factory.
the question is why he turned Rikus/Opposition into toys instead of just killing them and ending their linage forever. And how did DD aquire a bounty of 340mil in the first place when his nobility gives him legal immunity? maybe he printed his own bounty with a fake newspaper article to get his warlord positition and earn respect as a pirate, that could be a theory.
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On September 26 2013 00:12 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:29 hasuwary wrote:On September 25 2013 23:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:16 hasuwary wrote:On September 25 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:On September 25 2013 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think it's more like Doflamingo doing whatever the hell he wants because he's got the immunity to do so. why be a pirate when you can be god though? the way hes taken over Dressrosa seems like the next thing hes gonna say is "im just taking back whats rightfully mine" but couldnt he have just used his status as Tenryuubito to have them give him Dressrossa? As seen at SA tenryuubito tend to be realy sadistic,maybe Dofla wanted to become king of dresrossa the cruel way,picking dresrossa for his reign surely has to do with his ancestors. but he was a pirate long before Dressrossa and he doesnt have taht god complex the rest of the Tenryuubito hve i get the feeling over the last 800 years some of the original 19 familys got voted off the island Maybe there are just 5 families left - 5 Gorosei No, that contradicts what been said multiple times about the Old Kings and founders of the WG being the ancestors to all the Tenryuubito. Also they stand above all Laws so they cant be punished/exiled. If Doflamingos Family was exiled, then that means we still have no clue how he pulled all of those WG strings or has connections above the fleet admiral. the explanation posted above doesnt hold up, as they could just dispose of him by sending the admirals (and garp :D) after him to get rid of him. I dont think one man can blackmail the entire WG that way. And what Image does the Tenryuubuto really have anyways? what Charloss did in SA is on par with DF, if not worse. What commoners think about them (fear and hatered i would assume) dont mean a thing to them, they will just kill anyone who openly shows a lack of respect for them and call for an admiral if someone is even daring to threaten with violence. The Tenryuubito already commit murder and slave trade on a regular basis so you kinda have to wonder what they would have to do to get exiled... I think he simply took dressrosa because of his family history, making it a good base in the new world to conduct his underworld business. if he wasnt king of dressrosa he would have nowhere to build his Smile factory. the question is why he turned Rikus/Opposition into toys instead of just killing them and ending their linage forever. And how did DD aquire a bounty of 340mil in the first place when his nobility gives him legal immunity? maybe he printed his own bounty with a fake newspaper article to get his warlord positition and earn respect as a pirate, that could be a theory.
Or his identity is just unknown to most. I don't think it's outrageous to think that DD could run away (as a child even) and keep his identity hidden from all but a select few. The people who make the bounties probably don't even know he's a noble. He obviously doesn't care about it so why tell them? He probably found it amusing as his bounty increased, making him "more dangerous" to the very world government he is a part of.
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I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all.
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"Dont talk as if you were one of them, youre not. Even if that is what you want to be. To them you are just a freak. Like me! They need you now though, but when they dont... they will cast you out. Like a Leper. You see, all these "Civilized People", their morals, their little codes... is all a bad joke, and dropped at the first sign of trouble! let me show you, when the chips are down, these civilized people, they will each others!"
and he proved he was right by turning gothams white knight Dent and turning him into a murderous madman. Your past and luck in life determines your values, anyone can be turned.
no he was proved wrong when the boats didnt blow each other up
If Doflamingos Family was exiled, then that means we still have no clue how he pulled all of those WG strings or has connections above the fleet admiral. the explanation posted above doesnt hold up, as they could just dispose of him by sending the admirals (and garp :D) after him to get rid of him. I dont think one man can blackmail the entire WG that way.
he has enough connections and personal power that they cant just send a couple admirals
plus hes useful as long as he keeps his mouth shut so there being careful, they may have a plan to dispose of him when needed but for now theres no reason to
The Tenryuubito already commit murder and slave trade on a regular basis so you kinda have to wonder what they would have to do to get exiled...
well of the orignal 20 countries, only 19 bought the whole "abandon the country live like gods thing" so as the TEnryuubitos god complex grew more kings may have been like "the fuck are you guys doing"
the question is why he turned Rikus/Opposition into toys instead of just killing them and ending their linage forever. And how did DD aquire a bounty of 340mil in the first place when his nobility gives him legal immunity? maybe he printed his own bounty with a fake newspaper article to get his warlord positition and earn respect as a pirate, that could be a theory .
id say this supports my theory, noone knew Dofla was a tenryuubito until he was already a powerful pirate and then pulled his family tree on the WG and started blackmailing them
I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all.
they dont, but Dofla managed to take over a country by force using only his 3 seat dude so between the CPs and the admirals theyd be able to make it clear that the Tenryuubito must not be touched
i wonder if Dofla is going to turn into some sort of anti-hero, hes been supplying smiles to hundred beast kaidou and sheltering Caeser whos been working on making giants and WMDs
makes me wonder if he plans to take down the WG someday
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Man the art really took a nose dive this week.
Also I guess Oda confirmed stuff we already knew. Pretty boring chapter after a week break.
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just an amazing chapter all around
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So much stuff in only 20 pages, Oda sure knows how to not waste his time.
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On September 25 2013 22:16 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On September 25 2013 08:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, I can make up random theories like Doflamingo is actually a Tenryuubito, back it up with some random pages, but at the end of the day, it just an idea, it can never be validiated or unvalidiated, ... Or it can be revealed the very next day. WTF. tbh i remember reading speculation for it weeks ago somewhere
pretty sure people(myself included) were speculating about him being a tenryuubito back when something like "they don't know about his past" or something was said .-. I can't even rememeber in what context though
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On September 26 2013 08:23 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:16 rabidch wrote:On September 25 2013 22:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On September 25 2013 08:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, I can make up random theories like Doflamingo is actually a Tenryuubito, back it up with some random pages, but at the end of the day, it just an idea, it can never be validiated or unvalidiated, ... Or it can be revealed the very next day. WTF. tbh i remember reading speculation for it weeks ago somewhere pretty sure people(myself included) were speculating about him being a tenryuubito back when something like "they don't know about his past" or something was said .-. I can't even rememeber in what context though
Yeah I figured it was common knowledge that he was related to the tenryuubito after the chapter where Vergo warned Law that he didn't know the truth about Dofla's past. Some people even thought he was related to the Goresei or however you spell it.
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On September 25 2013 01:12 b3n3tt3 wrote:just found this somewhere on the mangaspoiler site. + Show Spoiler +
Please fix your original post to include all the information that wasn't spoilered. This thread only discusses manga chapters as they have been released, not spoiled... :/
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On September 26 2013 03:09 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +"Dont talk as if you were one of them, youre not. Even if that is what you want to be. To them you are just a freak. Like me! They need you now though, but when they dont... they will cast you out. Like a Leper. You see, all these "Civilized People", their morals, their little codes... is all a bad joke, and dropped at the first sign of trouble! let me show you, when the chips are down, these civilized people, they will each others!"
and he proved he was right by turning gothams white knight Dent and turning him into a murderous madman. Your past and luck in life determines your values, anyone can be turned. no he was proved wrong when the boats didnt blow each other up Show nested quote +If Doflamingos Family was exiled, then that means we still have no clue how he pulled all of those WG strings or has connections above the fleet admiral. the explanation posted above doesnt hold up, as they could just dispose of him by sending the admirals (and garp :D) after him to get rid of him. I dont think one man can blackmail the entire WG that way. he has enough connections and personal power that they cant just send a couple admirals plus hes useful as long as he keeps his mouth shut so there being careful, they may have a plan to dispose of him when needed but for now theres no reason to Show nested quote +The Tenryuubito already commit murder and slave trade on a regular basis so you kinda have to wonder what they would have to do to get exiled... well of the orignal 20 countries, only 19 bought the whole "abandon the country live like gods thing" so as the TEnryuubitos god complex grew more kings may have been like "the fuck are you guys doing" Show nested quote +the question is why he turned Rikus/Opposition into toys instead of just killing them and ending their linage forever. And how did DD aquire a bounty of 340mil in the first place when his nobility gives him legal immunity? maybe he printed his own bounty with a fake newspaper article to get his warlord positition and earn respect as a pirate, that could be a theory . id say this supports my theory, noone knew Dofla was a tenryuubito until he was already a powerful pirate and then pulled his family tree on the WG and started blackmailing them Show nested quote +I wonder if the dragons have any actual power in terms of strength. I mean some of the higher ranking marines seem to be the types that would be disgusted with the behavior of the dragons and they were powerful people. I'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt to dispose of those gluttonous fools at some point considering they are basically like the royals of old who really only care about themselves. Surely there have been high ranking and powerful people within the marine/WG system who have questioned why they give a shit about these people at all. they dont, but Dofla managed to take over a country by force using only his 3 seat dude so between the CPs and the admirals theyd be able to make it clear that the Tenryuubito must not be touched i wonder if Dofla is going to turn into some sort of anti-hero, hes been supplying smiles to hundred beast kaidou and sheltering Caeser whos been working on making giants and WMDs makes me wonder if he plans to take down the WG someday
The Joker won because turning dent into a madman was his "Ace card". The Boats was a distraction tp allow dent to run rampart. rewatch the movie  he proved that even someone as good as Dent could become a murderous psychopath once his chips went down. Joker just had to kill his girlfriend.
I like your theories though and especially the part about DD being a potential anti-hero, (like crocodile almost turned into) and Kuzan seems to be turning into aswell.
I wonder how DDs relationship witht he WG really looks like though? on the other hand he seems to just abuse his position to his advantage, but on the other hand they have asked him for favors in the past (moria. why go to him instead of using their robot slave kuma who is 100% loyal and wont ask for anything in return and cannot speak so will not leak it?)
Maybe they like having a Tenryuubito "Infiltrating" the Pirate world, believing his heart will always be loyal to mareijos in the end?
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The Joker won because turning dent into a madman was his "Ace card". The Boats was a distraction tp allow dent to run rampart. rewatch the movie he proved that even someone as good as Dent could become a murderous psychopath once his chips went down. Joker just had to kill his girlfriend.
and burn half his face off only then did he go insane
not really showing "good men will turn evil" but "good men will turn insane"
besides showing one good man can do evil is less then showing 2 boatloads of people wont
I wonder how DDs relationship witht he WG really looks like though? on the other hand he seems to just abuse his position to his advantage, but on the other hand they have asked him for favors in the past (moria. why go to him instead of using their robot slave kuma who is 100% loyal and wont ask for anything in return and cannot speak so will not leak it?)
they probably dont trust Vegapunk, Kuma is Vegapunks tool not the WG
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