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Chro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States240 Posts
May 10 2013 01:50 GMT
#7441
I kinda refuse to believe that oda, who has planned out one piece for 20+ years just decided to change everything to make fun of fairy tail. Whatever happens here will probably have been for shadowed since the early days.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
May 10 2013 10:56 GMT
#7442
On May 10 2013 10:50 Chro wrote:
I kinda refuse to believe that oda, who has planned out one piece for 20+ years just decided to change everything to make fun of fairy tail. Whatever happens here will probably have been for shadowed since the early days.


Well it's a name lol. I think he can change the name to anything he wants as long as it resembles Luffy, but the chose Lucy in the end. Not that I agree with the theory, just saying that details like these can be tweaked easily without affecting the grandeur of things.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
May 10 2013 14:28 GMT
#7443
On May 10 2013 10:27 Sableyeah wrote:
If you've read Bakuman you'd know that almost every author would know what's going on in other mangas. Fairy Tail being quite popular and all. Not saying Bakuman is 100% truth but it's safe to assume decent relations. And Fairy Tail does somewhat resemble One Piece in art at a certain degree.


Do you really think after writing and drawing mangas all day every day, Oda spends his little spare time reading the 20 or so Jump mangas every week plus non Jump mangas, like Fairy Tail? How about no.

And yeah I've read Bakuman, and nothing in it supports what you are saying.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 10 2013 14:31 GMT
#7444
On May 10 2013 23:28 mavignon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:27 Sableyeah wrote:
If you've read Bakuman you'd know that almost every author would know what's going on in other mangas. Fairy Tail being quite popular and all. Not saying Bakuman is 100% truth but it's safe to assume decent relations. And Fairy Tail does somewhat resemble One Piece in art at a certain degree.


Do you really think after writing and drawing mangas all day every day, Oda spends his little spare time reading the 20 or so Jump mangas every week plus non Jump mangas, like Fairy Tail? How about no.

And yeah I've read Bakuman, and nothing in it supports what you are saying.

im quite sure he spends some time reading other mangas good refrence and can help give him ideas and shit
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 10 2013 17:12 GMT
#7445
I don't see any reason to not think it's possible. It's just a little reference.

No reason to overblow this. It's not parody, or a joke at the cost of the other author. Last I heard most manga authors respect each other, since they have the same job. They're colleagues, after all.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 10 2013 23:15 GMT
#7446
On May 10 2013 23:28 mavignon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:27 Sableyeah wrote:
If you've read Bakuman you'd know that almost every author would know what's going on in other mangas. Fairy Tail being quite popular and all. Not saying Bakuman is 100% truth but it's safe to assume decent relations. And Fairy Tail does somewhat resemble One Piece in art at a certain degree.


Do you really think after writing and drawing mangas all day every day, Oda spends his little spare time reading the 20 or so Jump mangas every week plus non Jump mangas, like Fairy Tail? How about no.


definitely yes.
I'm a graduate student and I do spend most of my time doing my own research but I also spend considerable amount of time reading papers in my field as well.
It's silly to think Oda is not extremely well educated in the work of his peers.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
May 11 2013 11:55 GMT
#7447
Its like saying you (pro gamers) dont watch streams as a SC2 player or read builds etc etc. If you want to be competitive, you research.

I wonder who else this Chinjao guy works for other than his own country.
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
May 11 2013 12:02 GMT
#7448
On May 11 2013 20:55 Sableyeah wrote:
Its like saying you (pro gamers) dont watch streams as a SC2 player or read builds etc etc. If you want to be competitive, you research.

I wonder who else this Chinjao guy works for other than his own country.


I think it's Kaido, based purely on the number. It would be cool if Kaido crew have numbers on them as a special sign, like Whitebeard crew has the flag on their backs.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 11 2013 15:15 GMT
#7449
On May 11 2013 21:02 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 20:55 Sableyeah wrote:
Its like saying you (pro gamers) dont watch streams as a SC2 player or read builds etc etc. If you want to be competitive, you research.

I wonder who else this Chinjao guy works for other than his own country.


I think it's Kaido, based purely on the number. It would be cool if Kaido crew have numbers on them as a special sign, like Whitebeard crew has the flag on their backs.


I have almost no doubt at all that Chinjao works for Kaido.
maru lover forever
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
May 11 2013 15:18 GMT
#7450
Dragon hype just went up thank to Chinjao haha. I can't watch to see his response after losing to Luffy.(I just can't see Luffy losing in the group stages)
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 11 2013 15:23 GMT
#7451
I don't see how Dragon is anymore hyped than he was before.

Don chinjao was basically just saying that had he known who Garp's son was he would have already tried to kill him, resulting in luffy never being born ^^.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
May 11 2013 17:02 GMT
#7452
On May 11 2013 20:55 Sableyeah wrote:
Its like saying you (pro gamers) dont watch streams as a SC2 player or read builds etc etc. If you want to be competitive, you research.

I wonder who else this Chinjao guy works for other than his own country.


Bad analogy, mangakas don't compete against each other. You have to learn about builds, watch streams, etc. to keep up with the meta game. It doesn't apply to manga authors.

But don't get me wrong, Oda has a immense manga culture, but it's more about techniques. How to build a story, character development, climax development, drawing techniques, old and current authors, what's their styles, what projects do they work on, how do they do in their publications or in book sales, etc.

Does he know about the weekly plot development of all serialized mangas in Japan? He has nothing to learn from it. If anything, it could be bad influence on how he builds himself stories. Oda does not take advice from his own editors, I can't picture him secretly reading mangas to "learn" techniques or "get ideas".

While he knows a thousand times more than all of us together about techniques and the manga industry, I am pretty sure that most of us know more about the actual stories and plot developments in other mangas than him.

The science analogy is not good either, because whatever field you study in, you will probably learn new techniques, inventions, discoveries from your peers you whole life. For a master such as Oda, there is nothing new to learn anymore (at least not from shonen mangas). Shonen mangas have been using the same patterns for 30 years. If anything, he probably reads books and watch good cinema for inspiration, and keep his own story fresh and new.

When authors take a week break for research, they don't spend a week reading other mangas. They might do it as well, but it is more about fleshing out a story before a new arc. When Oda decides to do a Spain themed arc, he is doing research about Spain culture, architecture etc.

If Oda comes out and says that the Lucy name is a Fairy Tail reference or he spends a significant amount of time reading other mangas, I'll eat my hat

If Oda had really meant to do a Fairy Tail reference in this arc, he would have called Rebecca Lucy and given her a weapon with a key shape or something. When Oda do references, they usually are very clear,like the Admirals character design or Luffy's muten roshi beard (even if we miss a lot of references / jokes because the manga is made for a Japanese audience)
ore0z
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania161 Posts
May 11 2013 17:48 GMT
#7453
On March 28 2013 04:35 ore0z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:10 Superouman wrote:
Hahahaha this is so much the World Tournament in Dragonball Z. I love it

[image loading]
[image loading]

I posted this awhile back. I don't think its a reference to Lucy from fairy tail since its just by name. The whole tournament, using a fake name, and hiding in disguise is actually a dragonball reference

Master yoshi went under disguise in a tournament imitating a jackie chan name i think
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
May 11 2013 17:57 GMT
#7454
Yep in the tv series I watched as a kid, about 15 years ago (and is now again in the TV lol) his name was Jackie Chen.
Revolutionist fan
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
May 12 2013 08:20 GMT
#7455
On May 12 2013 02:02 mavignon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 20:55 Sableyeah wrote:
Its like saying you (pro gamers) dont watch streams as a SC2 player or read builds etc etc. If you want to be competitive, you research.

I wonder who else this Chinjao guy works for other than his own country.


Bad analogy, mangakas don't compete against each other. You have to learn about builds, watch streams, etc. to keep up with the meta game. It doesn't apply to manga authors.

They do. This doesn't apply to OP and Oda because of how popular it is but if you read many manga you can see a good number of them ending abruptly in a rushed manner when they are not popular enough anymore and the magazines don't want to continue publishing them. Its tough competition to be in the most popular manga magazines.

But don't get me wrong, Oda has a immense manga culture, but it's more about techniques. How to build a story, character development, climax development, drawing techniques, old and current authors, what's their styles, what projects do they work on, how do they do in their publications or in book sales, etc.

Does he know about the weekly plot development of all serialized mangas in Japan? He has nothing to learn from it. If anything, it could be bad influence on how he builds himself stories. Oda does not take advice from his own editors, I can't picture him secretly reading mangas to "learn" techniques or "get ideas".

While he knows a thousand times more than all of us together about techniques and the manga industry, I am pretty sure that most of us know more about the actual stories and plot developments in other mangas than him.


Not taking the advice directly doesn't mean he's completely ignoring everything. If you can show me a source saying he doesn't give a single fuck about the advice from editors I'll concede. As for whether he reads manga or not again I highly doubt he does not currently read even a single work of other mangaka. Would be pretty conceited of him to think he knows everything and there is nothing to learn.

The science analogy is not good either, because whatever field you study in, you will probably learn new techniques, inventions, discoveries from your peers you whole life. For a master such as Oda, there is nothing new to learn anymore (at least not from shonen mangas). Shonen mangas have been using the same patterns for 30 years. If anything, he probably reads books and watch good cinema for inspiration, and keep his own story fresh and new.

When authors take a week break for research, they don't spend a week reading other mangas. They might do it as well, but it is more about fleshing out a story before a new arc. When Oda decides to do a Spain themed arc, he is doing research about Spain culture, architecture etc.


What I said above. Even though you may think very highly of Oda(I do too) and other current shonen manga works simply pale in comparison to OP, its too extreme to believe Oda does not read a single other manga. Most mangakas love manga ya know... Ask any aspiring manga artist, you don't "aspire" to be a manga artist if you hate mangas. I doubt Oda despises manga so much that he won't even just pick up a Weekly Magazine and browse through it to see what his peers are doing from time to time and perhaps pick up something useful here and there.

If Oda comes out and says that the Lucy name is a Fairy Tail reference or he spends a significant amount of time reading other mangas, I'll eat my hat

If Oda had really meant to do a Fairy Tail reference in this arc, he would have called Rebecca Lucy and given her a weapon with a key shape or something. When Oda do references, they usually are very clear,like the Admirals character design or Luffy's muten roshi beard (even if we miss a lot of references / jokes because the manga is made for a Japanese audience)


As for whether Lucy is a Fairy Tail reference I don't really care. All I care is Luffy needed a fake name and Oda used one that sounded similar to Luffy cause Luffy is an idiot who will forget a name too far off from his own.
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
May 12 2013 08:25 GMT
#7456
On May 12 2013 02:48 ore0z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:35 ore0z wrote:
On March 28 2013 03:10 Superouman wrote:
Hahahaha this is so much the World Tournament in Dragonball Z. I love it

[image loading]
[image loading]

I posted this awhile back. I don't think its a reference to Lucy from fairy tail since its just by name. The whole tournament, using a fake name, and hiding in disguise is actually a dragonball reference

Master yoshi went under disguise in a tournament imitating a jackie chan name i think


Oh yea this is what it reminded me of haha. I knew that get up looked familiar
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
May 12 2013 08:39 GMT
#7457
If theres anything that I learned from literature class is that nothing a good writer does is arbitrary.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 09:41:52
May 12 2013 09:41 GMT
#7458
On May 12 2013 17:39 GettingIt wrote:
If theres anything that I learned from literature class is that nothing a good writer does is arbitrary.

Well, I wouldn't give too much about school classes. Literature is a creative art, after all.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Yes, Oda is a master of storytelling, I believe some things are still done at a whim without deeper meaning. Like Gaimon, the dude that's stuck in a box in East Blue. That guy's appearance was completely arbitrary.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
May 12 2013 09:51 GMT
#7459
On May 11 2013 08:15 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 23:28 mavignon wrote:
On May 10 2013 10:27 Sableyeah wrote:
If you've read Bakuman you'd know that almost every author would know what's going on in other mangas. Fairy Tail being quite popular and all. Not saying Bakuman is 100% truth but it's safe to assume decent relations. And Fairy Tail does somewhat resemble One Piece in art at a certain degree.


Do you really think after writing and drawing mangas all day every day, Oda spends his little spare time reading the 20 or so Jump mangas every week plus non Jump mangas, like Fairy Tail? How about no.


definitely yes.
I'm a graduate student and I do spend most of my time doing my own research but I also spend considerable amount of time reading papers in my field as well.
It's silly to think Oda is not extremely well educated in the work of his peers.

There is a pretty big difference between fields of research and different manga titles. I highly doubt he reads more than a couple, he would be much busier writing than you would be with your research.
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 10:48:43
May 12 2013 10:47 GMT
#7460
On May 12 2013 02:48 ore0z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:35 ore0z wrote:
On March 28 2013 03:10 Superouman wrote:
Hahahaha this is so much the World Tournament in Dragonball Z. I love it

[image loading]
[image loading]

I posted this awhile back. I don't think its a reference to Lucy from fairy tail since its just by name. The whole tournament, using a fake name, and hiding in disguise is actually a dragonball reference

Master yoshi went under disguise in a tournament imitating a jackie chan name i think


Yep this is definitely a dragonball reference, as many things are a tribute to dragonball in One Piece. Oda always said he is a huge Dragonball fan and his dream always was to create a work just as great (I would say he succeded with One Piece).
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