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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here. If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers. If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7306 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Show Spoiler ______________________________________________________ On April 08 2022 19:42 Hyperbola wrote: That final shot of Luffy is glorious. Hope it satisfies anyone who thinks the new power is too silly. I don't see people here thinking the power itself is too silly, but that the way it was introduced that converts a story of freedom into a story of fate as is rather unappealing. The power was introduced terribly, complete with Luffy going super saiyan (Luffy's hair has turned blonde!), going from dead to alive twice is such a terrible way to introduce this "awakening". Is there anything so overdone as being dead and exhausted, then immediately powering up to be more powerful than ever before? We've all seen it before and in this case it wasn't done well. I don't think the final shot of luffy is glorious, and no matter how glorious you think it is, it doesn't alter how the powerup was introduced nor the broader ramifications on the narrative of journey of freedom to the bog standard boring fated one. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On April 10 2022 20:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: (Luffy's hair has turned blonde!) Just to clear this up, his hair and clothes have turned white (Kaido explicitly says so). He didn't go blonde. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On April 10 2022 20:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not really liking this thread turning into a place to discuss fake spoilers and spoilers. I rather prefer discussing actual events and looking into the thread without seeing multiple + Show Spoiler + Show Spoiler ______________________________________________________ I don't see people here thinking the power itself is too silly, but that the way it was introduced that converts a story of freedom into a story of fate as is rather unappealing. The power was introduced terribly, complete with Luffy going super saiyan (Luffy's hair has turned blonde!), going from dead to alive twice is such a terrible way to introduce this "awakening". Is there anything so overdone as being dead and exhausted, then immediately powering up to be more powerful than ever before? We've all seen it before and in this case it wasn't done well. I don't think the final shot of luffy is glorious, and no matter how glorious you think it is, it doesn't alter how the powerup was introduced nor the broader ramifications on the narrative of journey of freedom to the bog standard boring fated one. At the end of the day, one piece is meant for 13 year old boys and we've outgrown the series. We need to just let go of glaring plotholes and inconsistencies and just enjoy what's to come for us. I think my 13 year old self would've been hyped for this but this power up is insanely stupid for my grown up self. I think Oda needs to realize his audience has grown up. If young kids are going to watch anime it's going to be animes like Demon slayer and etc, not one piece. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
On April 11 2022 01:15 Shinokuki wrote: At the end of the day, one piece is meant for 13 year old boys and we've outgrown the series. We need to just let go of glaring plotholes and inconsistencies and just enjoy what's to come for us. I think my 13 year old self would've been hyped for this but this power up is insanely stupid for my grown up self. I think Oda needs to realize his audience has grown up. If young kids are going to watch anime it's going to be animes like Demon slayer and etc, not one piece. you provide the answer in the first part of your post and then you throw it away and say "oda needs to realise his audience has grown up"? if one piece suddenly turned into aot then it wouldnt bloody be one piece then would it | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On April 11 2022 02:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: you provide the answer in the first part of your post and then you throw it away and say "oda needs to realise his audience has grown up"? if one piece suddenly turned into aot then it wouldnt bloody be one piece then would it He kinda has to adapt now. It's different game now, not romance dawn. It's new world where it's thought to be pirate grave yard. I'd wager that grown up fans can handle death of few characters. This feels like RPG game where you just set it as EASY mode and coast through just to see what the ending is like. | ||
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Byo
Canada207 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2538 Posts
On April 10 2022 20:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not really liking this thread turning into a place to discuss fake spoilers and spoilers. I rather prefer discussing actual events and looking into the thread without seeing multiple + Show Spoiler + Show Spoiler ______________________________________________________ I don't see people here thinking the power itself is too silly, but that the way it was introduced that converts a story of freedom into a story of fate as is rather unappealing. The power was introduced terribly, complete with Luffy going super saiyan (Luffy's hair has turned blonde!), going from dead to alive twice is such a terrible way to introduce this "awakening". Is there anything so overdone as being dead and exhausted, then immediately powering up to be more powerful than ever before? We've all seen it before and in this case it wasn't done well. I don't think the final shot of luffy is glorious, and no matter how glorious you think it is, it doesn't alter how the powerup was introduced nor the broader ramifications on the narrative of journey of freedom to the bog standard boring fated one. Nope, wrong. The comment was specifically targeted towards people who thought the new power was too silly, of which there are several, it was not meant as a justification of the chosen one nonsense. Don't put words in my mouth. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
One Piece did grow up in tone and story after the 2 years timeskip, and some would argue even before then, so it is jarring that suddenly the mature narrative vanished to be replaced by Fairy Tale narrative. We dealt with themes of war, slavery, liberty, security over freedom, samurai loyalty and betrayal and then suddenly Luffy practically dies twice in combat to come back stronger than before. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 12 2022 02:57 Hyperbola wrote: Nope, wrong. The comment was specifically targeted towards people who thought the new power was too silly, of which there are several, it was not meant as a justification of the chosen one nonsense. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't put words in your mouth, do you even know what that phrase means? It's not something you write just because you want to disagree with someone, it has actual meaning. Just like how you wrote wrong, but don't say why you think so. That's not how you are supposed to argue Hyperbola. You wrote: On April 08 2022 19:42 Hyperbola wrote:That final shot of Luffy is glorious. Hope it satisfies anyone who thinks the new power is too silly. That is your entire post, your whole post and nothing but your post. And that is exactly what I quoted. Who here even said the power was too silly? That's not what the dissatisfaction with the chapter when Luffy awakened is about. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2538 Posts
On April 12 2022 03:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I didn't put words in your mouth, do you even know what that phrase means? It's not something you write just because you want to disagree with someone, it has actual meaning. Just like how you wrote wrong, but don't say why you think so. That's not how you are supposed to argue Hyperbola. You wrote: That is your entire post, your whole post and nothing but your post. And that is exactly what I quoted. Who here even said the power was too silly? That's not what the dissatisfaction with the chapter when Luffy awakened is about. Nope, wrong again. Here's an example of a complaint about the siliness of the power: On April 02 2022 13:46 Shinokuki wrote: are we reading the same manga here? One piece at peak (which was in romance dawn ~ marineford) was serious when it mattered and goofy when it didn't. Goffy as in strawhats shooting the shit together and partying. Luffy acting all dumb before going into arc. When shit was on line and it needed to be done i liked how the crew was serious. Post Time skip i feel like oda really wanted luffy to be like joy boy embodiment and ruined the fun of it all. (hence why one piece is declining in sales) Edit: and another: On April 01 2022 15:27 Zambrah wrote: Eh, I’m really not into this fight any more, ignoring my world building issues with this the fight itself doesn’t have that desperate edge so much any more and Toon World is a little too toony in some circumstances. Read the thread, please. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
They never even mentioned Luffy's powers in any of their post. Shinokuki expresses dissatissfaction in that Luffy isn't taking the fight seriously, when before he and the rest of the crew will be serious in such moments. Zambrah mentions world building issues, that the fight doesn't seem as desperate anymore and expresses dissatisfaction with the art style. Clearly it is you who needs to read the thread, but since you seem to think typing wrong over and over again is an argument, I must secede to your experience is such matters. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2538 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 10 2022 20:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not really liking this thread turning into a place to discuss fake spoilers and spoilers. I rather prefer discussing actual events and looking into the thread without seeing multiple + Show Spoiler + Show Spoiler ______________________________________________________ I don't see people here thinking the power itself is too silly, but that the way it was introduced that converts a story of freedom into a story of fate as is rather unappealing. The power was introduced terribly, complete with Luffy going super saiyan (Luffy's hair has turned blonde!), going from dead to alive twice is such a terrible way to introduce this "awakening". Is there anything so overdone as being dead and exhausted, then immediately powering up to be more powerful than ever before? We've all seen it before and in this case it wasn't done well. I don't think the final shot of luffy is glorious, and no matter how glorious you think it is, it doesn't alter how the powerup was introduced nor the broader ramifications on the narrative of journey of freedom to the bog standard boring fated one. I fundamentally disagree that Luffy awakening his power changes anything thematically from a story about freedom into one about fate. Sure, I can understand the distaste for the power, but how is any of this contrary to any thematical sense of freedom? I can't see it. However, Luffy's ability being a special/mythical power is actually very much in line with another long running and central theme to One Piece: Inherited Will. What we've gotten the past few chapters doesn't have anything to do with freedom, and instead has everything to do with inherited will, in this case from Joy Boy to Luffy. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
as for the sun god nika power, aside from oda teasing that joy boy was sun god nika, theres been many easter eggs already about luffy also likely having this power rather than a simple rubber fruit. if you follow enough of the one piece geeks, its amazing how many cultural and historical references and parallels they find that lead to the conclusion that oda has been planning this for a long time. you cant even argue confirmation bias because most of those geeks predicted the reveal before the reveal happened, just using clues throughout the story and understanding odas storytelling habits (heavy foreshadowing, drawing inspiration from cultural or historical figures etc.) | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On April 12 2022 11:27 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah im with sentenal on this one. i was disappointed with the reveal but only because the reveal didnt live up to the hype. i dont think the new revelation strays from what one piece has traditionally done nor do i think it was a last minute ass pull. the joy boy storyline has been around since a very long time and its been speculated for a long time that luffy might be joy boy. it was obvious that the inherited will was something that was going to be passed onto luffy, we just didnt know it would be in a more blatant manner. as for the sun god nika power, aside from oda teasing that joy boy was sun god nika, theres been many easter eggs already about luffy also likely having this power rather than a simple rubber fruit. if you follow enough of the one piece geeks, its amazing how many cultural and historical references and parallels they find that lead to the conclusion that oda has been planning this for a long time. you cant even argue confirmation bias because most of those geeks predicted the reveal before the reveal happened, just using clues throughout the story and understanding odas storytelling habits (heavy foreshadowing, drawing inspiration from cultural or historical figures etc.) It's one thing to just add in historical and cultural reference but this reveal was way too sudden. Even if we say this is fine there is WAY too much of an asspull in the story as of lately that readers are just skipping to see what big events will be revealed. I can honestly say I no longer care what happens until the end because I know Luffy and strawhats will pull through without any injuries. It doesn't matter if Luffy gets defeated 10000000x he will get saved by some random crew that sees Luffy drowning or another random crew with meat. Heck Luffy can drink milk and rest 20 mins and will be fine! Who cares about consequences in the most dangerous part of the world? I find myself skipping dumb filler scenes like Raizou because it doesn't matter at all. The scabbards haven't even left memorable imprints for the casual readers. People remember Vivi, Noland, Hiluluk. No one gives a shit about scabbards. That's the state of one piece where people just ask the die-hard one piece fans "Hey anything happened in one piece yet?" I just respond with "Nope, luffy still fighting Kaido and almost died 3x" All they do is just laugh and say typical Oda. In Korea, Oda has become somewhat of a joke and people are saying another writer is writing on behalf of Oda and his name is YDA or XDA. It's literally big reveals and then no one gives a shit and then another big reveal until we know what Oda was hiding. I keep reading because I used to love it before time skip and I don't understand how Oda managed to destroy his story like this nor adapt to the current reader's maturity... Shit.. even digimon has more tension than one piece now. I bet I can assist Oda and tell him to turn Luffy into super sayian 3 and call it Gear X and say to connect it to one of the cover stories he wrote fans will eat that up and say GODA. It almost seems one piece has become more of a grind to find the answers to all the mysteries that Oda has introduced. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
On April 14 2022 14:59 Shinokuki wrote: It's one thing to just add in historical and cultural reference but this reveal was way too sudden. Even if we say this is fine there is WAY too much of an asspull in the story as of lately that readers are just skipping to see what big events will be revealed. I can honestly say I no longer care what happens until the end because I know Luffy and strawhats will pull through without any injuries. It doesn't matter if Luffy gets defeated 10000000x he will get saved by some random crew that sees Luffy drowning or another random crew with meat. Heck Luffy can drink milk and rest 20 mins and will be fine! Who cares about consequences in the most dangerous part of the world? I find myself skipping dumb filler scenes like Raizou because it doesn't matter at all. The scabbards haven't even left memorable imprints for the casual readers. People remember Vivi, Noland, Hiluluk. No one gives a shit about scabbards. That's the state of one piece where people just ask the die-hard one piece fans "Hey anything happened in one piece yet?" I just respond with "Nope, luffy still fighting Kaido and almost died 3x" All they do is just laugh and say typical Oda. In Korea, Oda has become somewhat of a joke and people are saying another writer is writing on behalf of Oda and his name is YDA or XDA. It's literally big reveals and then no one gives a shit and then another big reveal until we know what Oda was hiding. I keep reading because I used to love it before time skip and I don't understand how Oda managed to destroy his story like this nor adapt to the current reader's maturity... Shit.. even digimon has more tension than one piece now. I bet I can assist Oda and tell him to turn Luffy into super sayian 3 and call it Gear X and say to connect it to one of the cover stories he wrote fans will eat that up and say GODA. It almost seems one piece has become more of a grind to find the answers to all the mysteries that Oda has introduced. how the hell was this reveal too sudden? almost a year ago whos who says he was guarding the gomu gomu no mi on the world governments orders. a few months ago its revealed that a fruit has had its name changed and the awakening of said fruit is formidable. there really werent that many candidates besides the gomu gomu no mi. thats 2 really explicit clues that theres something special about luffys fruit in the last year. if you go back further and look at the subtler hints about luffy in general, taking into consideration allusions to specific cultural/historical inspirations, its been foreshadowed for a long time that luffy was going to become something more than what we had seen up til that point. if you thought this reveal was too sudden then youre not paying attention and you say you lost interest in one piece now because you know nothing is going to happen to luffy or his crew members. did you actually think luffy or any of the other main characters might die 15 years ago? this train of thought is laughable. even 15 years ago one piece never had "tension". one piece hasnt changed, you have. i dont see why oda has to force a change of tone or mood into his story because his 12 year old audience is now 32. if he did you would be the exact kind of person to throw a tantrum and say "oda ruined one piece by making it all serious and dark!! wheres the comedy and the light mood?!" the only complaint i have about one piece now is the pacing. i feel like its gotten worse but that may also just be me getting impatient with age. other than that one piece is still the same old one piece | ||
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Archeon
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But all things considered it's pretty similar for a manga that has almost 25 years of runtime. And yes the argument that to introduce tension major characters need to die is absurd, by that meter One Piece never had any tension to begin with, the only somewhat relevant character that ever died was Ace (sorry Pedro, you don't count). And Luffy received mortal wounds f.e. against Crocodile too and came back stronger. I do feel that this arc drags a bit, felt that way for most arcs past the timeskip. But mainly because these arcs get longer and I'm reading weekly. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2538 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Orochi has as much plot armor as a main protagonist. it’s getting a little ridiculous | ||
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