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On September 28 2013 03:46 asongdotnet wrote:
this arc is just so lackluster with no real backstory development...
There was a lot of backstory it just sucked. We learned that Ichigo is a quincy, how Ishida's dad and Ichigo's dad knew each other, etc. The new random villains though is the worst part, and how strong they are is just not believable. The special powers they each all have is not very quincy like (fire????).
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On September 28 2013 03:51 Xyik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:46 asongdotnet wrote:
this arc is just so lackluster with no real backstory development... There was a lot of backstory it just sucked. We learned that Ichigo is a quincy, how Ishida's dad and Ichigo's dad knew each other, etc. The new random villains though is the worst part, and how strong they are is just not believable. The special powers they each all have is not very quincy like (fire????).
The Quincy fodder just seem so boring I agree. Am i the only one who wishes that the Espada were still around. At least at the end they had cool personalities kinda but only grimmjow is of any interest thats left. Well i guess only a few were actually likable but still Starrk and ulq went in such shitty ways for the purpose of plot.
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And here I was wishing that the shinigami were still the antagonists á la first arc.
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On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that).
that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike
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On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike
Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post.
'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time].
Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed.
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On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed.
Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai.
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On September 28 2013 13:05 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed. Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai.
It's really not. With her shikai you have to touch someone twice. You don't even need to do damage. Her bankai is unreliable. Oh, and it's been stolen, so it's a moot point anyway.
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On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed.
your definition is wrong then going all out means removing all the stops, pedal to the medal whatnot
what your talking about is just fighting seriously
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On September 28 2013 13:17 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 13:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed. Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai. It's really not. With her shikai you have to touch someone twice. You don't even need to do damage. Her bankai is unreliable. Oh, and it's been stolen, so it's a moot point anyway.
I think you overestimate her shikai and underestimate her Bankai. By the nature of the Bleach universe Bankai > Shikai. From that logic if she wants to go all out, she has to use Bankai. If she's not using Bankai she's not going all out and you have to use a different terminology or just completely ignore the meaning of the phrase.
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On September 28 2013 13:44 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 13:17 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 13:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed. Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai. It's really not. With her shikai you have to touch someone twice. You don't even need to do damage. Her bankai is unreliable. Oh, and it's been stolen, so it's a moot point anyway. I think you overestimate her shikai and underestimate her Bankai. By the nature of the Bleach universe Bankai > Shikai. From that logic if she wants to go all out, she has to use Bankai. If she's not using Bankai she's not going all out and you have to use a different terminology or just completely ignore the meaning of the phrase.
she cant use her bankai though so going all out means Shikai
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On September 28 2013 13:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 13:44 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 13:17 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 13:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed. Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai. It's really not. With her shikai you have to touch someone twice. You don't even need to do damage. Her bankai is unreliable. Oh, and it's been stolen, so it's a moot point anyway. I think you overestimate her shikai and underestimate her Bankai. By the nature of the Bleach universe Bankai > Shikai. From that logic if she wants to go all out, she has to use Bankai. If she's not using Bankai she's not going all out and you have to use a different terminology or just completely ignore the meaning of the phrase. she cant use her bankai though so going all out means Shikai
True. She should've used her new speed/power in conjunction with her Shikai and just hit the guy twice and boom, next enemy. But this is an manga and fight's don't end so anti-climatically for no reason. Gotta have some tension and back and forth etc.
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On September 28 2013 13:50 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 13:47 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 13:44 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 13:17 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 13:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 28 2013 12:52 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 12:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 28 2013 03:41 sumsaR wrote:On September 28 2013 02:08 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Well going "all out" is pretty draining. And they are fighting a war not a battle. You try and take out your opponent with as little effort as possible to save up for the next opponent. Like when Aizen stepped in after Ichigo/Byakyua/FormerCC/Utake/CurrentCC/Soi Fong/Yourichi were all tired from battle. Let's define "going all out" as 'using your most effective attack to take someone out'. If it's draining or not depends on a specific character. In the case of Soi, her most effective way of taking someone out wold be using her Shikai and hitting someone twice. That's hardly draining. But hey, that rarely happens in manga storytelling as it would be anticlimactic (but more often than not it would enrich a story, but mangaka in general does not realise that). that wouldnt be going all out, going all out would be her concentrating all her strength in one arm and going for a super heavy strike Not by the definition I'm going with, and stated in a previous post. 'going all out' = 'fighting at your most efficient to defeat an opponent' with the optional [in the least amount of time]. Focusing all your strength into one arm to do a super heavy strike need not qualify depending on character. In Soi's case it would be to strike someone twice in the same spot with her shikai at her fastest possible speed. Or use her bankai and put all her energy into that blast. That's her best move, not her shikai. It's really not. With her shikai you have to touch someone twice. You don't even need to do damage. Her bankai is unreliable. Oh, and it's been stolen, so it's a moot point anyway. I think you overestimate her shikai and underestimate her Bankai. By the nature of the Bleach universe Bankai > Shikai. From that logic if she wants to go all out, she has to use Bankai. If she's not using Bankai she's not going all out and you have to use a different terminology or just completely ignore the meaning of the phrase. she cant use her bankai though so going all out means Shikai True. She should've used her new speed/power in conjunction with her Shikai and just hit the guy twice and boom, next enemy. But this is an manga and fight's don't end so anti-climatically for no reason. Gotta have some tension and back and forth etc.
no this is bleach where Kubo writes himself into a hole like every other chapter
good mangas dont have such glaringly obvious holes, in good mangas it makes sense that someone didnt go for the obvious insta win combo
i mean sure Soi fon should have already killed this dude and moved on to the next one
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Of course she could have used her Shikai, but it would be a boring fight by Kubo's standard.
Considering every single captains will have a fight, and probably more than half of Ichigo's friends, it would have been a good idea to make one or two quick fights. But I think Kubo has in mind a short fight isn't a good way to put a character on the spotlight. Even someone damn clever like Mayuri can't win quickly, and being badass for Kubo is winning a looooong fight.
There is absolutely no logical reason within the Bleach universe to not go all out at the start, or at least preparing themselves to go all out. It's all Kubo.
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But Kubo has had so many hyped battles finish with one single hit lol. Now that it would actually make some sense, he did not.
Kubo king troll.
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Even battles finished with a single hit were battles dragged on a lot of chapters. The last stand of Aizen against Ichigo is about 10 chapters of Ichigo doing nothing because he'll win in one hit anyway. Kubo for king troll tho.
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I wish ulquiorra was still alive. Dat lvl 2 liberation
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Did we ever get an explanation as to why Starrks other half just randomly disappeared?
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On September 28 2013 22:03 shark. wrote:
Did we ever get an explanation as to why Starrks other half just randomly disappeared?
Too strong.
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Can't say the badness we've seen is anything unexpected. It's been going downhill for a long time really. From the moment they introduced the ranked Espada, there was an opportunity for this fantastically climactic buildup of fights, as we eventually work our way up to seeing the power of number 1. Welp, turns out there's a bullshit number 0, that just inflates everything else into meaninglessness, and the top 3 all get killed in a short series of events that felt so quickly thrown together, it was embarrassing. OhandAizengotbeatinoneshotshortlyafterwardalmostasanafterthought. Oh, and then number 0 was magically killed too, as a legit afterthought. You just conveniently don't see how the fuck they pull it off.
And you thought floccinaucinihilipilification was bad.
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On September 28 2013 22:03 shark. wrote:
Did we ever get an explanation as to why Starrks other half just randomly disappeared?
she disappeared because her soul was split into each of the wolves, the wolves were destroyed therefore she was as well. I'm pretty sure that's how it went.
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everyone overall hates on bleach and other mainstream mangas I don't think their bad at all,maybe they aren't as good as they were at the start and middle but they definitely aren't "bad"
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