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On April 27 2011 01:13 -Frog- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 01:09 Eishi_Ki wrote:Spoliers regarding Jon Snow + Show Spoiler +\Here's something that just occured to me, if Jon Snow is indeed the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon Snow is actually the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. Curious... + Show Spoiler +Would he? Dany is still Aerys' only surviving child with Jon being her nephew. Certainly Rhaegar was first in line for the throne as the prince but with his death wouldn't that pass the crown on to Viserys and then with his death on to Dany?
+ Show Spoiler +I don't believe so. Inheritances in Westeros usually goes to the first born male then to his first born son If there is no more sons down that line you jump back to the would be son's oldest uncle. For example when When Robert dies Stannis claims the throne not because he is disputing the Westerosi law, but because he is disputing Joffery's claim.
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The shot of Ghost btw, at the campsite.
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On April 27 2011 01:22 Windd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 01:13 -Frog- wrote:On April 27 2011 01:09 Eishi_Ki wrote:Spoliers regarding Jon Snow + Show Spoiler +\Here's something that just occured to me, if Jon Snow is indeed the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon Snow is actually the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. Curious... + Show Spoiler +Would he? Dany is still Aerys' only surviving child with Jon being her nephew. Certainly Rhaegar was first in line for the throne as the prince but with his death wouldn't that pass the crown on to Viserys and then with his death on to Dany? + Show Spoiler +I don't believe so. Inheritances in Westeros usually goes to the first born male then to his first born son If there is no more sons down that line you jump back to the would be son's oldest uncle. For example when When Robert dies Stannis claims the throne not because he is disputing the Westerosi law, but because he is disputing Joffery's claim.
+ Show Spoiler +That makes sense, thanks for clearing it up for me.
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On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.-
Because shes a dumb bitch who wants joffrey.
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On April 27 2011 01:13 -Frog- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 01:09 Eishi_Ki wrote:Spoliers regarding Jon Snow + Show Spoiler +\Here's something that just occured to me, if Jon Snow is indeed the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon Snow is actually the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. Curious... + Show Spoiler +Would he? Dany is still Aerys' only surviving child with Jon being her nephew. Certainly Rhaegar was first in line for the throne as the prince but with his death wouldn't that pass the crown on to Viserys and then with his death on to Dany?
+ Show Spoiler +Since Westeros for the most part (outside of Dorne) goes by eldest son, Jon would technically be the heir of House Targaryen, similar to how Joffrey would be the rightful heir to Robert, and not Stannis (if Joffrey were actually Robert's son). But I doubt anyone would recognize any claim from Jon, since he is a bastard no matter who his parents are.
Edit: nvm, someone already cleared it up above.
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On April 27 2011 01:22 Windd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 01:13 -Frog- wrote:On April 27 2011 01:09 Eishi_Ki wrote:Spoliers regarding Jon Snow + Show Spoiler +\Here's something that just occured to me, if Jon Snow is indeed the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon Snow is actually the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. Curious... + Show Spoiler +Would he? Dany is still Aerys' only surviving child with Jon being her nephew. Certainly Rhaegar was first in line for the throne as the prince but with his death wouldn't that pass the crown on to Viserys and then with his death on to Dany? + Show Spoiler +I don't believe so. Inheritances in Westeros usually goes to the first born male then to his first born son If there is no more sons down that line you jump back to the would be son's oldest uncle. For example when When Robert dies Stannis claims the throne not because he is disputing the Westerosi law, but because he is disputing Joffery's claim.
+ Show Spoiler [More John Snow Spoilers, book 3-4] +Even if John were the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna I don't think he'd have any rights the the throne. He'd still be a bastard, in this case a rape bastard. He'd have as much right to the throne as any of Robert's bastards.
I'm still not convinced that John Snow is Rhaegar's son. It has been a while from the last time I read the books but did Rhaegar have Lyanna for that long? It seems to me that people are just looking for the fantastic for this plotline. Though watch me be wrong when the next book comes out.
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Can we stop all talk about Books beyond the first in this thread? There's and ASOIAF thread for that purpose.
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On November 16 2008 03:55 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 01:10 FzeroXx wrote:Gonna be epic. + Show Spoiler + Pilot should stop when Bran gets pushed out of the window, before he hits the ground. agree
It should and it would, nice foreseeing father
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On April 27 2011 01:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:The shot of Ghost btw, at the campsite.
nice find ...
how many times did you watch the episode to find it ? ^^
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On April 27 2011 02:37 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 01:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:The shot of Ghost btw, at the campsite. nice find ... how many times did you watch the episode to find it ? ^^
Where is it :O
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On April 27 2011 01:22 Windd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't believe so. Inheritances in Westeros usually goes to the first born male then to his first born son If there is no more sons down that line you jump back to the would be son's oldest uncle. For example when When Robert dies Stannis claims the throne not because he is disputing the Westerosi law, but because he is disputing Joffery's claim.
+ Show Spoiler +I doubt very many will care who has the rightful claim at this point, though. It is more about who can assert power
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On April 27 2011 02:46 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 02:37 Doppelganger wrote:On April 27 2011 01:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:The shot of Ghost btw, at the campsite. nice find ... how many times did you watch the episode to find it ? ^^ Where is it :O
That white thing right in the middle. In the episode it moves exactly like a dog/wolf, so though it isnt clear in the photo, watch the scene again and there isn't any doubt.
I actually heard Ghost was in the episode very briefly... so I went hunting :D
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On April 27 2011 01:09 Eishi_Ki wrote:Spoliers regarding Jon Snow + Show Spoiler +\Here's something that just occured to me, if Jon Snow is indeed the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon Snow is actually the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. Curious...
Spoilers for all books + speculations based on them
+ Show Spoiler +Aerys's heir is Dany since she's his last remaining child after Viserys's death. Even if Jon were Rhaegar's son he'd still be a bastard and as such not eligible. On top of that he's a man of the Night's Watch.
At this point Dany has no heir, but she could appoint one and in that regard Jon is a possible candidate since as queen, Dany would have the power to free Jon from his vows.
There's even some speculation that Jon and Danny will get married at some point (after all a nephew/aunt marriage is at least 30% less icky than brother/sister), but I don't think that's very likely.
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On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.-
Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>?
To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes?
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On April 27 2011 03:37 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.- Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>? To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes?
Yeah Tirion's eyes are wrong, I think this has being mentioned a thousand times already, you just have to read a few pages back.
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On April 27 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 03:37 JackDino wrote:On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.- Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>? To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes? Yeah Tirion's eyes are wrong, I think this has being mentioned a thousand times already, you just have to read a few pages back.
As are the Targaryens (purple), I think I can get over that though.
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On April 27 2011 03:52 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote:On April 27 2011 03:37 JackDino wrote:On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.- Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>? To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes? Yeah Tirion's eyes are wrong, I think this has being mentioned a thousand times already, you just have to read a few pages back. As are the Targaryens (purple), I think I can get over that though.
Funy is that Arya is left handed but Maisie Williams right handed and they try to make her use the left in the series, so they try very hard even with details like that.
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On April 27 2011 04:00 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 03:52 Eishi_Ki wrote:On April 27 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote:On April 27 2011 03:37 JackDino wrote:On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.- Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>? To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes? Yeah Tirion's eyes are wrong, I think this has being mentioned a thousand times already, you just have to read a few pages back. As are the Targaryens (purple), I think I can get over that though. Funy is that Arya is left handed but Maisie Williams right handed and they try to make her use the left in the series, so they try very hard even with details like that.
I read somewhere (Don't have a source) that they actually tried colored contacts. There were some problems with them and due to deadlines they just cut them out of the series. Would have loved to see them but I guesse it's ok like this.
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Random question: Did anyone else think Dany's handmaid, the one telling about the moon being an egg for dragons, looked like Olivia Wilde (13 from House). I couldn't find her in the cast, and it doesn't really make sense for her to play the part, but she looks so similar.
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On April 27 2011 04:04 Marradron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 04:00 Doppelganger wrote:On April 27 2011 03:52 Eishi_Ki wrote:On April 27 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote:On April 27 2011 03:37 JackDino wrote:On April 26 2011 20:52 Enox wrote:
i don't get why the older daughter (cant remember the name) rather sacrifices her own, innocent wolf instead of telling the truth -.- Because she didn't know they would kill the dog when they asked her what happened, have you watched the episode>.>? To anyone who has read the books, didn't the imp have 2 different coloured eyes and the lannister twins green eyes? Yeah Tirion's eyes are wrong, I think this has being mentioned a thousand times already, you just have to read a few pages back. As are the Targaryens (purple), I think I can get over that though. Funy is that Arya is left handed but Maisie Williams right handed and they try to make her use the left in the series, so they try very hard even with details like that. I read somewhere (Don't have a source) that they actually tried colored contacts. There were some problems with them and due to deadlines they just cut them out of the series. Would have loved to see them but I guesse it's ok like this.
I read that too and actually: I like it better this way.
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