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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I always figured that there will be a downfall for Robb because he is too much like this father, but I never expected something like this....  Complete victory by the Lannisters. GGPoor Arya. First she sees her father get beheaded and now this....Thats some serious mind fucks. And Jon ditching Ygnitte, what a dick lol | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:23 hiru wrote: Tyrion, Arya, and Jamie are the best characters in the show. They could be dead and erased from the story at any moment. Would you care if they were? It seems as if people still don't "get" what Martin's trying to do here. He's blatantly stated that his objective is to be purposely unpredictable, shocking and dramatic. He doesn't care if you get attached to the characters and tune in for to see them every week. In fact, it must be more rewarding for him to know that a particular character is well-recieved, as then he can surprise the audience even more when he hacks their head off.  | ||
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TeePee
United States132 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:23 hiru wrote: Tyrion, Arya, and Jamie are the best characters in the show. Bran as well. And I wish they showed more Varys, hes a good guy imo | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:26 SCST wrote: I honestly wonder what people will think if Joffrey ends up on top when the curtains close. Martin said "bittersweet ending" is a strong possibility in his interview today, which does seem to be the general theme of the entire story thus far. Are people really going to be O.K. with this? I think there may still be viewers that are subconsciously believing/hoping for a "good" ending that they will likely never receive. They could be dead and erased from the story at any moment. Would you care if they were? It seems as if people still don't "get" what Martin's trying to do here. He's blatantly stated that his objective is to be purposely unpredictable, shocking and dramatic. He doesn't care if you get attached to the characters and tune in for to see them every week. In fact, it must be more rewarding for him to know that a particular character is well-recieved, as then he can surprise the audience even more when he hacks their head off. All I can tell you as a book reader is to remember that we're basically in Book 3 of 7 (yeah I know a bit of AFFC is thrown in). | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:26 SCST wrote: I honestly wonder what people will think if Joffrey ends up on top when the curtains close. Martin said "bittersweet ending" is a strong possibility in his interview today, which does seem to be the general theme of the entire story thus far. Are people really going to be O.K. with this? I think there may still be viewers that are subconsciously believing/hoping for a "good" ending that they will likely never receive. Bittersweet doesn't necessarily mean bad. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:01 Cornstarched wrote: so now that the intire stark family is dead whats the point of the show again? Oh thats right its basicly over now, besides these side stories that have poped up. This episode ruined the show for me, and i am not watching from this point forward. Killing off the main people in the story like this just seems redundant. Not for me. Great untill this episode, can't belive this actully happend. So unforturate wow, thats so silly. you sound like HBO chose to kill off those characters. this show is based on a book and they cant really inlfuence the plot | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:19 Sub40APM wrote: I dont have a problem with a realistic setting, where bad guys might win and good guys might lose. What I have a problem with the entire Martin approach to things is the amazing plot armor all his bad guys have while all the good guys cant wait to step into shitty decisions. And I dont mean shitty decisions that are caused by their high morals -- Jon Snow choosing to not personally kill a person who was clearly about to die, and thus expose the Night's Watch to danger and disobey a direct order -- but just because of dumb stuff. "Lol Robb, you crushed 3 armies but you get no benefit from it because...well we dont know why but ya!" or "lol Ned, your wife is actually retarded and started a war while you were stranded way behind enemy lines" or "lol Ned, your wife's ex-boyfriend is going to betray you but you dont see it because you are a dumb northerner" or "lol Robb, the Islanders burned down your castle because 20 pirates walked 100 kms to your castle and no one saw them coming but those but those are the breaks" or "lol renly, your brother is going to use magic to kill you and thus take out the biggest and most powerful army that also happens to be allied to the Starks because magic!' In the meantime the Lannister family breeds an entire generation of incestuous children, the King drinks himself into stupor and doesnt care that his father in law has littered his court with Lanisters or that his son is a total psychopath. Or even the way Robert fortuitously gets gored by a boar just in time to keep ned from telling him about the incest which would have inevitably led to a war that anihilated every lannister alive. robert was gored by a boar cause cersei made sure he was drunk during the hunt, there was nothing fortuitous about it. as for plot armor, um jaime got his hand chopped off. he went from being arguably the best swordsman to the worst swordsman. sucks to be him. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
That will be the saddest moment for me in this entire show if/when Tyrion dies. I will legitimately cry in front of my computer screen... Idc if a Lannister is sitting on the throne or if it's like Littlefinger or anyone really, just not Joffrey, anything but him. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On June 03 2013 15:46 CatfooD wrote: Can someone tell me what the significance of the song "Reign of Castamere" has, and when it played before that would have explained the situation when it played before the Stark's deaths? Full explanation: The "Rains of Castamere" is a Lannister, or, more specifically, a Tywin song. Tywin's father, Tytos Lannister, was a weak and incapable man, and was openly mocked in his own halls by his bannerman. One of them, Lord Reyne of Castemere (and one of his most powerful bannermen), was proud and rebelled against the Lannisters (with House Tarbeck). Tywin, growing up to the sound of Lannister bannermen openly mocking his father and house, would, at Robb's age, end up leading the Lannister forces against the rebellion. He crushed them, burned their castles, and had every man, woman, and child of House Reyne (and Tarbeck) slaughtered. The Rains of Castamere is a double entendre of both House Reyne, and the rains that fall on their burned out halls. When Lord Farman of Faircastle considered rebelling, Tywin sent a bard to play the Rains of Castamere to him. So it's got numerous connotations. First, its a signal for the Red Wedding to truly begin (for those outside the Hall), because hell, that ain't no weddin' song. Second, it directly implicates Tywin in planning the whole affair in the first place (as if Roose's line didn't give it away). Third, it basically fits entirely with the theme of the song itself, which is about the ruthless annihilation of a house rebelling against the Lannisters. On a more lighthearted note, + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lUDEarS.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/izDol.gif) :D | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
"In the books" and show a spoiler, prepared to be warned/banned. Seriously dude read the mod note... | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:35 LoLAdriankat wrote: Bittersweet doesn't necessarily mean bad. Bittersweet to me sounds like "everyone dies except a few 'good' characters". I'm still really sad about this episode I thought Robb was going to die for sure but not like this... especially with Arya getting so close too. I wonder what'll happen to Arya (I doubt she'll die offscreen with the Hound or something but I dont see them escaping).I'm also happy that Bran and Rickon had some fucking development in the storyline. I bet the season finale will be the wildling attack on Castle Black, seems pretty cool. I'm also saddened that we won't see more of Catelyn now, that was amazing acting really. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
So instead of going on the other side of the table to control the head, she goes after a girl whom any intelligent person should know means very little to him? This same thing happen in the book? I can't say I entirely saw this coming before the Rain, but during the opening credits, I was pondering why the Frey didn't/weren't [already] sided with the Lannisters. Anyone intelligent would be asking questions like that, and I don't think the show really mentioned it at all (perhaps the books did?) | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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hiru
United States69 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:26 SCST wrote: I honestly wonder what people will think if Joffrey ends up on top when the curtains close. Martin said "bittersweet ending" is a strong possibility in his interview today, which does seem to be the general theme of the entire story thus far. Are people really going to be O.K. with this? I think there may still be viewers that are subconsciously believing/hoping for a "good" ending that they will likely never receive. They could be dead and erased from the story at any moment. Would you care if they were? It seems as if people still don't "get" what Martin's trying to do here. He's blatantly stated that his objective is to be purposely unpredictable, shocking and dramatic. He doesn't care if you get attached to the characters and tune in for to see them every week. In fact, it must be more rewarding for him to know that a particular character is well-recieved, as then he can surprise the audience even more when he hacks their head off. I feel comfortable blindly predicting that Arya will be ok. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:19 Sub40APM wrote: I dont have a problem with a realistic setting, where bad guys might win and good guys might lose. What I have a problem with the entire Martin approach to things is the amazing plot armor all his bad guys have while all the good guys cant wait to step into shitty decisions. And I dont mean shitty decisions that are caused by their high morals -- Jon Snow choosing to not personally kill a person who was clearly about to die, and thus expose the Night's Watch to danger and disobey a direct order -- but just because of dumb stuff. "Lol Robb, you crushed 3 armies but you get no benefit from it because...well we dont know why but ya!" or "lol Ned, your wife is actually retarded and started a war while you were stranded way behind enemy lines" or "lol Ned, your wife's ex-boyfriend is going to betray you but you dont see it because you are a dumb northerner" or "lol Robb, the Islanders burned down your castle because 20 pirates walked 100 kms to your castle and no one saw them coming but those but those are the breaks" or "lol renly, your brother is going to use magic to kill you and thus take out the biggest and most powerful army that also happens to be allied to the Starks because magic!' In the meantime the Lannister family breeds an entire generation of incestuous children, the King drinks himself into stupor and doesnt care that his father in law has littered his court with Lanisters or that his son is a total psychopath. Or even the way Robert fortuitously gets gored by a boar just in time to keep ned from telling him about the incest which would have inevitably led to a war that anihilated every lannister alive. I think your view of this series is a tad too simplistic. I've said it before but I think the only character introduced thus far that I would classify as pretty much completely evil is Joffrey. Everyone else has their ups and downs in morality as far as I'm concerned, some clearly more oriented towards the bad side and some towards the good. When you say the bad guys have the plot armor, well...who's bad exactly(aside from Joffrey)? From what I can see it's mostly the Starks who just tend to get fucked over and that has to do both with their storyline and yes that they are the more virtuous characters at times (honor fucked over Ned and Robb). I dislike how you just disregard the Lannisters as the bad guys. I'd wager most, if they had to choose a side would classify Tyrion as a good guy. Or what of Jaime? Prior to this season many would have said he's a piece of shit and should die, then you learn this season that he's actually a hero who saved thousands. Oh yeah, and he also loses his sword hand making him nearly useless now...score one for the good guys? No not really. What of Theon (he's probably the Greyest of all the characters)? | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 03 2013 17:02 Sub40APM wrote: I think its more to do how in every step the Starks get boned over and eventually the laws of luck and probability seem too weighted against them by the author. Like every act they do actively hurts them in the most maximum possible way while the layers and layers of retardation displayed by everyone in House Lannister except Tyrion-Tywin seem to just skip right off them. I guess you missed the part where Jaime Lannister had his sword hand cut off when the sword is everything to him. Remember, he is a Kingsguard. A Kingsguard is basically a glorified Night's Watchmen. He cannot marry, he cannot hold titles, have children, etc.. he just guards his King. He is now a Kingsguard that cannot even guard his King. By losing his sword hand, he lost everything. | ||
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